Series Preview: Seattle Mariners @ Baltimore Orioles
by Matthew on May 11, 2010 10:00 AM PDT
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PrintSeattle: 12-19
Baltimore: 9-23
| MARINERS | Δ Ms | ORIOLES | EDGE | |
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| HITTING (wOBA) |
-34.3 (29th) | 2.1 | -29.6 (28th) | Baltimore |
| FIELDING (?) | 17.3 (3rd) | -1.6 | -5.2 (25th) | Seattle |
| ROTATION (tRA) |
-5.6 (20th) | -3.6 | -8.1 (24th) | Seattle |
| BULLPEN (tRA) |
-4.9 (25th) | 2.2 | -0.4 (16th) | Baltimore |
| OVERALL(RAA) |
-27.5 (24th) | -0.9 | -43.3 (27th) | SEATTLE |
Well that was not quite winning more than they lost, but after dropping the first two games of the series, I suppose I can be consoled with at least winning the final contest.
Hopefully the off day allowed the Mariners to stew in some positive feelings for a while after having to endure a week plus of constant negativity. Hopefully the off day does not cool off the bats which finally showed up on Sunday. I had a hard time imagining what hitting multiple home runs in a single game would be like much less back to back homers and from two of the most unlikely candidates. Then again, it's not like we have likely candidates.
Tue May 11, 16:05: Cliff Lee* vs. David Hernandez
Wed May 12, 16:05: Ryan Rowland-Smith* vs. Brad Bergesen
Thu May 13, 9:35: Felix Hernandez vs. Kevin Millwood
This is a pretty solid slate of pitchers we're tossing out against a rather hapless Oriole squad. I don't have to work hard to sell anyone on Cliff Lee and most recent start aside, Felix is still Felix, but I figured it's time for a little PR for Hyphen's benefit.
Through his first four starts, Rowland-Smith was displaying a reduced ability to generate swinging strikes, he was throwing too many balls and batters were hitting line drives off him all over the place. I know the last two starts against the Royals and Rays have not looked demonstrably better, but there are some positive signs.
First, he missed more bats in those two starts than he had all season prior and at a rate above his 2009 figure. Ryan still seems to struggle with putting hitters away for the strikeout, but missing more bats is a big first step. Secondly, the line drives slowed down. There're still too many, but being in the low 20s is a damn sight better than being in the low 30s on line drive percentage. Camden is a friendly park to hitters, but the Orioles are running a decidedly impotent offense right now so this is a good chance for Hyphen to get back on his feet. He needs to take advantage because there's no telling how many more chances he's going to get.
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It really would be nice if Hyphen could get back to his best
I don’t care if it makes the decision harder when Bedard gets back, it’s a nice problem to have.
Thank you for the RR-S propaganda
Hopefully throwing a game against the poor-hitting O’s will help him build some confidence back
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on May 11, 2010 10:09 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Hyphen skewing the curve?
Along with Felix’ last two starts? I’m not too concerned about that part of things though; it’ll balance out
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on May 11, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I just did some very rough calculations
using my busted phone calculator and 2008 run values and I’m getting something like a 16.0 tRA for his last start. I’m probably doing it wrong, but I imagine the number is up there.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on May 11, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Crickey
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by Bearskin Rugburn on May 11, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I have a question about the rotation part of this equation.
I assume that it includes ANYONE that made a start right? So technically we are using those rankings based off of 3 guys that will start, two guys that will not play in this series, and 1 guy that is in the bullpen. So the overall difference would be a little skewed right? Of course there is some effect on each of those categories (Tuiasosopo and Eric Byrnes would be batting or fielding this series or Bradley) and so forth, but I guess its just for series it would be interesting if we only included the numbers of the 3 guys that would be starting pitchers and how much of a difference that makes because if you have Lee/Felix going in one series and then another series they both miss it, that’s a big swing in our tRA. (assuming Felix comes back to earth) More of a curiousity than a suggestion or anything.
by Kenny Knows Sports on May 11, 2010 10:43 AM PDT reply actions
This would make things unnecessarily complicated
if you want to compare the starting pitchers directly just look up their numbers on the appropriate sites. Obviously, this would be impossible for the pen and hitters, so you would be doing it only for the rotation. You get an iota more information for considerably more effort.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on May 11, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
And I wasn't asking anyone else to do it either.
Just curious if it was taken into affect at all. I’m not sure it would make an “iota” more difference all the time. When you go into a 5 game playoff series its not an “iota”
by Kenny Knows Sports on May 11, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
My bad I misread your comment
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by Bearskin Rugburn on May 11, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
It makes sense, but
I’ve resisted doing it because I cannot do the same for hitters and relievers. Also, I cannot provide a ranking.
Jeff just tweeted that our DH's combined .213 wOBA is dead last among all positions among all teams
On the plus side, they rank a solid seventh among NL pitchers, ahead of the Marlins and just a touch behind a good hitting Reds rotation.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on May 11, 2010 11:09 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
Ye of little faith.
Give Z a chance to fix this.
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
He had a chance to fix this.
It was called the off-season.
by Aaron Campeau on May 11, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
So he made a mistake.
Give him a chance to correct it. It’s not as if there are tons of teams selling right now. And if we grab from the scrap heap we’ll get just that. Scraps.
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
Although with some further thought,
this probably isn’t the right thread for this discusssion.
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
Scraps are an improvement over what we have now.
I like this front office a lot, but I am going to be critical of them when they mess up, especially when they mess up something so easy so much.
by Aaron Campeau on May 11, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Precisely this.
I get the “In Z We Trust” sign. I get the love for the front office, but generally I think the blogosphere has had a little too much Kool-Aid. There’s a small separation between a “belief system” and “trusting the process.” Shudder.
Well to be fair,
I am literally drinking Kool-Aid as we speak.
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
Fizzies?
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
yup.
best ones were the root beer— you could get a fine rabies-like foam going if you put it on your tongue.
Oh, I remember...
Do they still make those?
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
Apparently they're making them again.
I got some at Archie McPhee for my brother. Sadly, no root beer.
Darn.
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
I could go for orange.
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
It wasn't bad
I didn’t put the whole thing in my mouth, but I did do the traditional Tongue Tip Test, to see it fizz.
I'd still drop it in water rather than just eating it.
Now where/what the heck is Archie McPhee?
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
Wouldn't drinking the Kool-Aid imply that the M's blogosphere blindly agrees with everything this org does?
I don’t think anyone was speaking glowingly of Griffey and Sweeney being signed.
I told Brett to shelve the sign for a while.
GMZ needs to win my trust back right now because holy shit they have fucked things up so far this season.
If they can go 4-4 or better on this trip I'll think about bringing it.
Especially if good roster moves come with it.
by BrettJMiller on May 11, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
What row do you guys sit in?
Because I was in Sec 108 last Wednesday and Friday but since I don’t know what you guys look like, I didn’t know where to look.
by Hopefulmsfan on May 11, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn't you like to know....
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
You caught me, I'm a LL stalker.
Actually, I just think it’d be cool to meet some of the posters here and be able to talk baseball with people that are knowledgeable as opposed to most of the people that go to the games.
by Hopefulmsfan on May 11, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I was kidding.
I’m just not giving out his row number for him. Kind of up to him if he wants that info known publicly, although I’m sure you could find it in one of these threads.
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
I am not at many games this year but I sit in the first row on the aisle.
Brett sits in the second row in the middle.
Correct?
You mean by cutting Sweeney and forcing Wak to go to a six-man pen?
Z is great. He wins “the important” deals, the home runs. But he doesn’t micromanage the roster that hot, or at least he hasn’t proven to. The little things bug me. Do I trust Z for the long term? Yes. Because I believe making the big moves, signing the right contract extensions, will result in a winning team. Do I trust Z in the short term? No.
I trust him to get to where he needs to be with these things eventually.
He gets it. He’s a smart guy with a plan. But he’s also relatively new at this, and there’s going to be a learning curve.
by Aaron Campeau on May 11, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess that's kind of what I'm saying.
Too many people are going too far the other way. You don’t have to like every move, or agree with every decision, but let the man do his work. He’s done way more good than bad so far.
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
Hasn't he said that they are working on a 3 year plan to get to the playoffs, also?
I know some moves, like Cliff Lee, have seemed to move this timetable up, but right now we are in the 2nd year of the 3 year plan. I don’t agree with Griffey/Sweeney being on the team at all, but at least there is a plan in place.
by seattle_since_81 on May 11, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly.
I trust Z long term. But the short term roster management (see: Griffey, Sweeney, and to a lesser extent Morrow/League) bugs me. That’s all I’m saying. I am happy to give him time. I have every reason to expect the playoffs if not next year than certainly 2012. But isn’t it frustrating watching us flounder with so much potential?
Jack Cust should be pretty available.
by lailaihei on May 11, 2010 11:15 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Cust has a 2.5M contract and we have Bradley
not sure what we’d need anyone else for.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on May 11, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Bench bat that can hit would be pretty cool.
by lailaihei on May 11, 2010 11:30 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
For 2.5M?
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by Bearskin Rugburn on May 11, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
They'd eat salary.
What are we paying our LH DH-only bat?
by lailaihei on May 11, 2010 11:39 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
So, you're saying that the A's will be willing to part ways with Cust
and pay 2.5M for it? Oh-kay.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on May 11, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
It had the Angels' record listed next to the O's before you fixed it.
by Eyeball Kid on May 11, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I loaded this a while ago and it said this:
Seattle: 12-19
Baltimore: 12-18
I refreshed and it’s better now.
50!
The beauty of a win going into an off-day and a series against the Orioles...
Its like I feel freely washed of my sins and can picture 15-19 with relative ease. Even if that doesn’t happen, I’m glad I finally have hope again.
by Kenny Knows Sports on May 11, 2010 12:15 PM PDT reply actions
But still boo for Griffey batting.
by Eyeball Kid on May 11, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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Ichiro sees so few pitches that Figgins doesn’t get a good gauge of a pitcher until he gets into the batter’s box himself
This makes absolutely no sense to me. He’s hit leadoff for the vast majority of his career, seeing Ichiro take any pitches should give him a better gauge of the pitcher than he’s used to.
by Eyeball Kid on May 11, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
And anywy it's nonsense
Ichiro has seen 3.6P/PA so far, which is just a touch below the league’s average of 3.8. For his career he’s always been around there.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on May 11, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I've noticed this a few times now, thought I'd finally ask the question
Why does the M’s rotation seem to get less credit than it’s due in these previews? I have a basic (read: not thorough) understanding of what tRA is. I really don’t believe that we have the 20th best starting rotation in baseball. Like any fan I’m a bit biased, but it sure seems to me that more often than not the starting pitcher has gone deep into games and pitched well and we’re all ready to hang ourselves because the lineup can’t give them any run support.
I went over to fangraphs to look at the team FIP numbers instead, and we rank 18th, still not too impressive. Is the D really just making everyone look good?
by shuswapslugger on May 11, 2010 12:51 PM PDT reply actions
Pretty much, yes.
But, as Matthew said above, Felix’ last start is a big, big stain on the rotation’s sheets. Also, a guy like Fister, who has been on the ERA leaderboards, isn’t going to look very good by tRA (which is also how you know that tRA works and ERA doesn’t).
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by Bearskin Rugburn on May 11, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Doug Fister looks just fine by tRA
he’s not walking ANYONE
by seattlebruin on May 11, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoa I didn't realize he's running a 50% GB rate,
or that he’s allowed only one homer. All the same, his SABR numbers aren’t as good as his ESPN numbers.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on May 11, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
True, but if he puts up a 3.46 tRA for the whole season, I'd take that in a heartbeat
by seattlebruin on May 11, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Especially since that 4.54 lgtRA seems really low
since it’s been ~5 the last few years
by seattlebruin on May 11, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that HR/BIA isn't going to stay at 1.5% for the whole year, but he's been legitimately good this year so far
not 1.20 ERA good or whatever it is, but he’s been good
by seattlebruin on May 11, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe we could contrive to only start him at Safeco and other pitchers' parks.
Of course, that would leave us starting RRS in hitters’ parks :/
Well yes. I'd even be happy if he split the difference with his tRAr
and ended up with 4.10 or so. Buuuut I’m not gonna count on it.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on May 11, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I was looking at his numbers last night, both traditional and sabre. Just sat there dumb founded.
He’s really off to a hot start, good for him. And then the thoughts of regression creep under the door.
Until this offense gets in the habit of scoring runs I'm not even worrying about our pitching.
Just sitting back and enjoying the sunshine my friend.
I'm no scout or anything,
but Fister looks good out there this year.
So, it seems the immedite effect of the LaRue article is an internal witch hunt
per Drayer. I guess team chemistry took a big hit yesterday morning. Sounds like players are angry and looking for someone to tar and feather. I suppose a bunch of wins would go a long way toward calming things down, so, yay Orioles.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on May 11, 2010 12:53 PM PDT reply actions
Seriously, what will it take?
What would the “Kid” have to do to actually get people to stop making excuses for him/write him off? I swear, if he killed somebody in a drunk driving incident, it’d be written up as “chemistry” in providing a valuable lesson to the younger players.
by Rachmaninoff on May 11, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Losing my virginity was awesome too but I don't start talking about it every time I get laid
by Aaron Campeau on May 11, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Unlike 1995 losing your virginity did not bring a bunch of idiots out of the woodwork
to sleep with your girlfriend.
by Sec 108 on May 11, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you sure about that?
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
I'm saying I screwed your girlfriend.
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
Now I know why you're always scratching yourself.
Idiot.
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
by Thingray on May 11, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh crap this isn't the OT and there's any number of intelligent people reading this
I think I left the oven on
A girlfriend? C'mon man give me some credit.
Plural, Decatur. Plural.
Well, if you've only got laid a couple times since 1995 it'd be a big deal.
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
In that order
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by Bearskin Rugburn on May 11, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Langerhans playing first again.
Is Kotchman really hurt, or do you guys think they’re trying to figure out what they’re going to do with first?
Is it reasonable to think that in their trade explorations, they’re finding options for first basemen?
I really really doubt they're looking at fixing first base when there are more glaring, more fixable issues
Kotchman has shown that he can still drive the ball and play good D.
Did you see him get hit? ball got him right in ball of the tibia (someone help me with the anatomy here). It looked as painful a place for a beanball as any.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on May 11, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I couldn't believe he was walking afterward.
there’s got to be some serious swelling. Luckily, speed is not a big part of his game so I guess as soon as he’s able to step on it he’s back out there.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on May 11, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
So according to Rosenthal's twitter...
Sweeney stood up and challenged whoever told that to LaRue to fight him, and nobody stood up, so he believes the story is made up of lies.
The fuck?
Maybe he will challenge whoever leaked this to Rosenthal to stand up and fight him
then realize it was himself, punch himself in the head and be out for the season
by seattlebruin on May 11, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
This team may somehow be more infuriating than 2008
and the gamethreads aren’t even good this time
by seattlebruin on May 11, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
They got so much better after the 8 game skid
We’ll make good posters out of (redacted, you know who you are) yet.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on May 11, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Where's Silva when you need him?
Someone’s gotta throttle a bitch, and Sweeney’s clearly not up to the task
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by Bearskin Rugburn on May 11, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm...seems like a convenient way to cover for yourself.
Good on you Judas.
by SethGrandpa on May 11, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm guessing the joke is he wants them to get punched
by Aaron Campeau on May 11, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHA
My favorite “it must be true because it’s on the Internet!” moment was when in high school, my health class teacher brought up the wikipedia page on Dwarfism, and there was a picture of Gimli (from LoTR) with the caption “A typical Nordic dwarf on his way to work”
by Rachmaninoff on May 11, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This made me laugh out loud at work. Well done, sir.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on May 11, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
This would be awesome, now Sweeney will punch Johnson, Johnson will be out for the season
and Sweeney will get suspended and we won’t even have to pay him!
by seattlebruin on May 11, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I really want Rob Johnson to catch fire offensively
so I can make jokes about him carrying the team and then dropping them when he returns to his normal self
by seattlebruin on May 11, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I really want Rob Johnson to catch fire
by Kenny Knows Sports on May 11, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Catch fire,
or catch ON fire?
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
Never mind the fact that he can't seem to catch anything else.
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
I believe the usage can go either way, but
by Kenny Knows Sports on May 11, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it can.
But to me saying “he’s about to catch fire” means he’ll start hitting well, whereas “he’s about to catch ON fire” means he’s standing to close to a blowtorch.
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
It's the eternal battle between being true to the original statement in the form of a pun to create laughter
Or getting the point across far less subtly and therefore jeopardizing some laughter to those who get it.
However, to be perfectly clear – I would like him to be put up in a large Wicker Man with his legs broken as we all stand around with torches and burn that mother down.
by Kenny Knows Sports on May 11, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't dislike him that much.
I just wish he weren’t our starting catcher. As a backup he’d be passable.
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
Sweeney would literally babysit Johnson's kids
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by Bearskin Rugburn on May 11, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
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Mike Sweeney’s bat ~ Rob Johnson’s glove
by seattlebruin on May 11, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Not that it matters
but the players in question, if the story’s real, were almost certainly pitchers. That game was Fister’s start, and he went seven innings. He also seems like enough of a space cadet that he’d say something to LaRue without realizing the implications…
Anyway, at this point I wish they’d go back to talking about how they can’t hit for shit.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on May 11, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
How on earth could anyone believe that anything other than winning
breeds good clubhouses after this debacle? Seriously!
by Cantu Easley Winn on May 11, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
He's a seasoned vet!
His headlocks have a certain grittiness to them that you just can’t find anywhere.
Seriously though
Mike Sweeney just ruined any chance that whoever said these things could find some way to civilly set things right with Griffey.
Which is one of the reasons why this seems so unreal.
Wouldn’t a “seasoned vet” like himself know better than to do something so foolish? I’m probably giving him way too much credit here, but still. I’m having a hard time believing all this.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on May 11, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Like anyone would square off against God's Favored White Man
by lemonverbena on May 11, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
It's gone past the point of media blacklist
Blood in the water, reporting fray, bits and pieces with no clear picture of what is happening.
Chemistry as in...
“Breaking Bad! "Sweeney has become the Walter White of MLB.
by AltCtrlDelete on May 11, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And of course Felix is...
Byrnes would be Jesse of course.
by Karma Police on May 11, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Tuco? Nah...
Felix would be Gus. Cool as the other side of the pillow.
Angry Milton is Tuco.
by AltCtrlDelete on May 11, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
This team is a disaster.
FUCK THE MARINERS!
by Fuckmikereilly on May 11, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Finally we get to play someone worse than we are!!
Without Baltimore imagine where we would be right now!!!
mjc
Is this real life?
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on May 11, 2010 2:05 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It's a good thing you're so much cooler than your Twilight-loving coworker.
mariners fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on May 11, 2010 2:09 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously, the last few days on here have just seemed like a complete farce fueled by unconfirmed souces and hearsay
And now Sweeney is threatening to fight other grown men on his team? Really?
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on May 11, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
It was all a grand conspiracy to rally team support for Griff and simultaneously discredit a media member
And maybe now Junior’s bat will “wake up”! VICTORY
by lemonverbena on May 11, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's hope so!
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on May 11, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Well he did go and snitch out Griffdawg
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by Bearskin Rugburn on May 11, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I rarely find myself disagreeing with Pos
But this is one of those rare occasions.
by Eyeball Kid on May 11, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This seems to reflect the common sentiment among Griffey apologists.
And it’s something I never quite understood. They aren’t rooting for Griffey, the player, as much as they’re rooting for Griffey, the memory. They aren’t even RECENT memories either. Aren’t all of these embarrassing at-bats he’s been having now tarnishing that memory at least a little bit? At this point he isn’t even a shell of himself…more like an apparition that gets to hold a bat 4 times a game. It’s sad and unfortunate that this all could have been avoided had Griffey just went out after last year when he was supposed to.
When he resigned at the beginning of this year, the word was he'd take any role, however limited.
And then they signed Byrnes and fetched Bradley. And I thought things would look like this:
DH – Bradley
1B – Kotchman
LF – Byrnes/Langerhans
Bench – Junior (PH/ticklemaster), Byrnes/Langerhans, Hannahan, Backup “Catcher”
Then we lsot Hannahan to injury and Griffey is the regular DH and Sweeney is on the roster. This is not how it was supposed to be. And as of now, love Griffey, but get him off the damn roster or fix the roster so he can be on the bench. I have no desire whatsoever to see him playing.
According to Shannon, a FSN producer says they have video of Griffey in the dugout from the dedicated dugout camera.
and that he doesn’t think the shot went on-air, so you won’t find it on the game tape.
What if this whole napping thing turns out to be BS?
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
It would mean that someone was trying to make Griffey look bad.
More so than he already does all by himself at the plate.
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
It's so blown out of proportion, it's ridiculous
The point of the story wasn’t that he was asleep in the clubhouse. The point was that he sucks and he’s done. The sleeping part was an anecdote that blew up.
The players never say Griffey couldn’t hit because he was sleeping. LaRue asks that question himself. Was he asleep? I’d bet he was earlier in the game, but not toward the end when he could’ve been used.
I'm more than ready to waive good-bye to Griffey
But the way this is playing out, it would kind of suck if they released him right now.
Shut up and let his bat give a reason to cut him.
I can't see a single scenario where the M's could just cut or "fire" Griffey.
Unless he did something horrible in public, and I don’t see him murdering a box full of puppies outside Safeco.
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
Here's the plan.
You put on these high heels, this leather mini-skirt, and carry this chihuahua. Stand outside Safeco before the next home game…..
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
I've only cross-dressed once, and I was getting paid to do it.
…but if it’ll get Griffey out of the lineup…
This didn't have anything to do with Griffey....
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
by Thingray on May 11, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I couldn't care less about the napping. I am more bothered by the two rats in the clubhouse, Mike
Sweeney challenging teammates to fight him, and the fact that Griffey (who we all loved at one point) is going out ugly with his play and now this report.
Please don't speak for everyone
I tolerated Griffey last year, liked him on occasion but certainly never loved him.
This year I prefer even Mike Sweeney. I fucking hate Mike Sweeney.
Did you not like him even back in his prime?
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
Then it makes perfect sense that you have no strong feelings for Griffey.
But you should go back and watch some footage of him in his prime. It was amazing to watch.
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
Of course I've seen footage. I know he was brilliant
but he’s not anymore and I care more about this team than those teams. Call me crazy.
by Eyeball Kid on May 11, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well you should still love him. There is a good chance you'd be rooting for another organization if not for Jr.
Although, this last 7-8 seasons indicates that maybe we all would have been better off finding a new team to root for
by Rudy4three on May 11, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love people that tell me how I should feel.
Oh no, wait a sec, I usually tell those people to fuck off.
by Eyeball Kid on May 11, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
And he was handsomely compensated for his contributions.
I owe him nothing.
by Aaron Campeau on May 11, 2010 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
In reality we all should thank Slade Gorton far more than anyone.
He is the reason we have Safeco Field.
Two rats in the clubhouse?
Were they in a wool sock, f**king? And was one of them from Kansas City?
I love Ichiro, man.
by AltCtrlDelete on May 11, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
The nap doesn't even matter
Seriously I could not care less if he went in and took a nap during the game or not. If Guti took a nap on his day off it wouldn’t bother me, the problem is that Griffey isn’t producing. Who cares what he is doing when he isn’t in the game the important thing is that he isn’t hitting when he is.
Agreed, I couldn't care less about the nap
The fact is that Griffey and Sweeney are less than useful and both of them need to go away, like yesterday. And if Sweeney’s going to get all confrontational with the media and generally anyone outside the magic clubhouse, he can also go f**k himself. Bitch.
by AltCtrlDelete on May 11, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Tell us how you really feel.
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
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