Leadership
Hit it, Larry LaRue. This is the most obvious link and blockquote in the history of the Mariner blogosphere.
The Griffey that a year ago helped build camaraderie in the Seattle clubhouse has taken a leave of absence this season. There have been times during games when he’s retired to the clubhouse, texted friends, watched the TV broadcast.
...So why didn’t Wakamatsu go to Junior off the bench.
"He was asleep in the clubhouse," one player said. "He’d gone back about the fifth inning to get a jacket and didn’t come back. I went back in about the seventh inning – and he was in his chair, sound asleep."
I'm not going to use this as another reason to get mad at Junior. That wouldn't be fair. What I will say, though, is that maybe people should lighten up on Milton Bradley a little bit. Players leave the dugout all the time. Pitchers shower and hang out in the clubhouse. Griffey falls asleep. If Bradley "quit on his team," then so did Seattle's greatest sports icon, because while Bradley may have left the stadium, it's not like Griffey was offering much support from his barcalounger.
Interestingly, LaRue hints that the time may be nigh for the organization to find a solution to the Griffey dilemma. I didn't realize we had options.
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Really hope this turns into the first step for the retirement announcement.
To be able to open up that roster spot (maybe 2 if Sweeney goes away too) would go a long ways in enabling some flexibility and maybe adding a good bit of offense (if the right piece can be traded for)
by seattlesundevil on May 10, 2010 11:05 AM PDT reply actions
As you can imagine, it's generating a lot of traffic
by Jeff Sullivan on May 10, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I also sent it over to Tim Dierkes at MLB Trade Rumors
Just to get it out there some more… He just posted a brief about it over there.
by seattlesundevil on May 10, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
At the rate it's spreading, the TNT blog servers are doomed.
by Brian Floyd on May 10, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
LaRue oughta get a raise for all the traffic he is generating today.
by seattlesundevil on May 10, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Quality > quantity, as the saying goes.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on May 10, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Ina bold, dramatic managerial move, designed to show how seriously this sort of thing is taken,
Wakamatsu has replaced Griffey’s recliner with one of those #3.99 plastic outdoor chairs from Home Depot. When asked about it, he said “I’d like to see ANYBODY fall asleep in one of those things!”
by pdb on May 10, 2010 11:06 AM PDT reply actions 9 recs
From personal experience
I’m not sure it’d be able to hold his weight.
by yakvalleycardinal on May 10, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
If this team was serious about winning they'd give Jr. Sr. the retire with dignity, go to the 60 DL, or be released ultimatium
When prodded gently by a teammate,
Griffey farted, mumbled something about the war, and continued sleeping, although the snoring was quieter.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on May 10, 2010 11:11 AM PDT reply actions 11 recs
This just made my coworker,
who isn’t even an M’s fan, do a full-on spit-take. Well-played, sir.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
Seriously?
Seriously?
Seriously?
I mean….. Seriously?
60-day DL is the likely way if he doesn't retire, I would think..
by seattlesundevil on May 10, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
With what?
Insomnia?…
It’s not…. fatal familial insomnia, is it?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
Thats the worst.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 10, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
We do need a new hitting coach
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on May 10, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
That would be interesting...
Hey Alonzo! Thanks for coming up and acting as hitting coach… But, well..
..
Here is your bus ticket back to Tacoma.
by seattlesundevil on May 10, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
From the announcement, he was the interim hitting coach, so I'm not sure if he really is expecting to stay long.
by seattle_since_81 on May 10, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Thats gotta be kind of annoying for him.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 10, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
For Alonzo Powell?
Probably, but he went 16/56 in his big league career. I don’t mean to be harsh or anything, but…there are people with established pedigrees floating around who can, in theory, actually hit. And have proven it over long big league careers.
A self-aware man should know that his qualifications don’t really merit certain positions.
Yes.
I mean he was probably happy in Tacoma and now he has to be in Seattle for some unspecified amount of time.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 10, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
You know how well Paul Molitor took off, though.
I’m tempted to ask Dan Wilson what his thoughts are on being a hitting coach or a manager. He probably has other things to do, but he strikes me as the kind of smart you need to be.
Charter Member: Dave Sims Sweet Hat Club
by Two Rs and Two Ls on May 10, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Wilson would send Rob up to Vancouver to take lessons from Luongo or something.
more hockey goalies need to become catchers. All we gotta do is find one who can hit.
Charter Member: Dave Sims Sweet Hat Club
by Two Rs and Two Ls on May 10, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe in the US...
But in Japan he was batting champion 3 straight years. Which i don’t consider to be ANYTHING to be sneezed at. Maybe he didn’t play much here, but I still think he is qualified.
That being said, Employing Griffey as a Hitting coach/pinch hitter that we can trot out at the end of meaningless games for fans adulation is a great idea, and I hope that management thinks the same thing
by ambrosia2112 on May 10, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Your ideas bring nothing but pestilence, famine, and rapine to the land.
by Decatur on May 10, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You all can have Brynes
I’m the one that likes Eric Byrnes
by Dewey N on May 10, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
For as little as hitting coaches probably really help,
Griffey would probably be a horrible one. What’s he going to teach?
“Don’t worry about work ethic, just rely on the unbelievable talent you were given until you’re thirty or so, give up,
and milk that reputation for another ten years.”
by BigR on May 10, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Amazingly talented players, typically make shitty coaches,
because mortals can’t do things the way they did them.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 10, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Ooohhhhh
This makes me sad and happy and depressed and optimistic and just generally conflicted and split in two.
So, I'm guessing maybe the Kangaroo Court hasn't been in session a whole lot.
and, boy, he must really be missing the sugar from all that sodypop.
Glutamate
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on May 10, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Dave just threw up a post about the same thing
and he seems to think one of our DHs is gone within the next couple days. Also, he took away from that article that Jr was the one possibly leaving. So yea, traffic die down so I can read it myself!
Now with more lemon bars!
Ha!
Honestly, I really wish he was still decent enough to contribute.
Because really, it’s pretty awesome having a fat old guy on the team
that makes himself unavailable to pinch hit due to nap time.
Unfortunately, he doesn’t contribute. It’s time for either hitting coach Junior or 60 day DL Junior.
Here's a solution
A big F U to Griffey for quitting on his teammates and directions to the nearest dugout.
We all know he sucks. No we know he doesn’t give a shit.
Griffey has always been primarily about Griffey
it’s just that Griffey 2.0 is wrapped in a much more consumer-friendly package than Griffey 1.0 was. Seriously, if you’ve followed Griffey’s entire career this isn’t that far out of character for him.
I don't disagree with this.
I found Mr. 644’s implication that he’s “quit” on his teammates to be a little strong.
If I went to sleep on the job my employer just might consider that quitting.
by Sec 108 on May 10, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
he was just trying to relax a little
Wak’s been saying all along that the hitters are pushing too hard. Griffdawg was just trying to find his zone.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on May 10, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can't expect players to stay alert for 162 games a year
Griffey falling asleep in the clubhouse looks bad, but it isn’t really much worse than horsing around in the dugout or checking out ladies. All that stuff about always being on the top step, cheering your team on – that’s college shit.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 10, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
This happened with someone a year or two ago but I can't for the life of me remember who it was
by Jeff Sullivan on May 10, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
John Olerud(?) was locked in the bathroom
I think it was him.. Can’t find it though
by seattlesundevil on May 10, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Here you go:
"John Olerud and Rich Aurilia found themselves trapped inside the video room just behind the M’s dugout during the fourth inning Saturday night after an unnamed teammate snapped after grounding out and took his frustrations — and his bat — out on the office’s door handle.
As minutes passed and the inning extended, Olerud began knocking on a window to attract the attention of Randy Winn in the adjacent indoor hitting area. When Winn couldn’t open the door from the outside, team officials scrambled to locate a maintenance man to drill the lock open.
All of which led to one of those situations Melvin never quite imagined during his preparations for becoming a big-league manager.
"Randy comes up the tunnel and says, ‘Hey, we’ve got a little problem here. Our next two hitters are locked in the video room,’ " Melvin recalled Sunday. "So I go down there and it’s like a fire drill around that door. It was like a scene out of Abbott and Costello." "
by msb on May 10, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 10 recs
Bahahahaha
Awesome.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 10, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I immediately played this out in my head as a MacGruber sketch.
I’m blaming this weekend’s SNL.
Wake his ass up.
Unless he was dead in the chair.
It looks bad to bloggers and fans who have no idea what it's like to grind out a pro season.
Yes, it was on a homestand so jet lag had nothing to do with it, but a true pro knows you’ve got to bank some sleep by taking cat naps BEFORE road trips.
In the days before blogs and deadspin, great players used to grab a few minutes of shut-eye ON THE FIELD. They’d wake up if a ball was hit towards them, or when their teammates shouted (this is how the tradition of calling for fly balls originated). What’d we do with those players? Did we kick them off the team, or hound them out of town? We put them in the hall of fucking fame, people.
by marc w on May 10, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
At least he doesn't regularly fall asleep on the field like Mike Brumley
by seattlebruin on May 10, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
He is a 0 WAR player when he is asleep
by Ballard Erik on May 10, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
So he becomes more valuable?
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 10, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I agree with you
but seems like a 0-8 run is a time when every player ought to care a little more.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on May 10, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
But, realistically, it's a time for every player to get frustrated and drift off in his own little world
by Jeff Sullivan on May 10, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Dave posted recently about Wakamatsu's much discussed 'belief system'
and how player-friendly it is. I suppose all that trust and support comes with a certain downside – the expectation that a struggling player tries a little harder what is minimally acceptable.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on May 10, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I know.
I’m sure that I’m scrambling to rationalize that behavior of my childhood idol. But from the article it didn’t seem that the players were up in arms about it. They would know better than I what’s acceptable in the clubhouse.
They probably also realize that Griffey being unavailable to pinch-hit may be in the team's best interests
by Jeff Sullivan on May 10, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Someone's sneaking some NyQuil into whatever Junior's
drinking instead of soda. Probably a good call.
Seriously, I'm guessing Wak didn't wake him for this very reason.
It’s still disappointing that Wak needs a crutch/excuse to choose another hitter, but here we are.
We're going to look back on this as being way more hilarious than it feels now
by Jeff Sullivan on May 10, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
It just feels sad.
But if it leads to a real DH for the rest of the season I’ll be happy.
by TheBishop on May 10, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm sort of moving that direction now.
I mean, fundamentally, this is pretty funny. A bit sad, a bit surreal, but funny.
Also Griffey wasn't the only left handed bat on the bench better than Sweeney
I’m still wondering why Wak didn’t pinch hit Saunders in that situation.
I think he does give a shit
But this is Griffey we’re talking about and this article doesn’t really surprise me all that much, honestly. Griffey cares. If he didn’t care, he wouldn’t have signed.
Yeah this isn't that different from him running
autographed photos up to the booth during games last year. It’s just that we’re not winning right now and no one’s happy so fans are out for blood.
Maybe he doesn't give a shit.
And he’s so bad because he’s constipated?
Griffey is clearly done.
But I’m still going to be sad to see him go
by wetzelcoal on May 10, 2010 11:27 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
As a kid, Griffey was the most exciting player I'd ever seen.
I still have an autographed picture of his from spring training in 1989.
This whole season tarnishes his legacy though; to me, the less I see of him now, the better. I don’t want him doing any more damage to this team.
I desperately want him gone now, because then I’ll finally be able to cheer for him one last time.
He was showing confidence in his teammates
by making himself unavailable.
by Ballard Erik on May 10, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
"He doesn't sleep well at night, he's away from his family, he's comfortable in the clubhouse..."
“They could have awakened him.”
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on May 10, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Have any of you watched an m's game this year and not drifted off?
I can’t blame Griffey at all for getting sleepy. This offense is the cure for insomnia.
by FisteeFisterer on May 10, 2010 11:37 AM PDT reply actions
Maybe I can sympathize
because I HAVE fallen asleep at work before.
by Ballard Erik on May 10, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
There is a cached version of the article available.
I have no idea if this will work for anyone else.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 10, 2010 11:43 AM PDT reply actions
Probably for the best that it was a post without comments, as well.
by seattlesundevil on May 10, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Good choice. Definitely.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 10, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow. LaRue sounds convinced that this is Griffey's last week with the team.
I also get that it has nothing to do with his sleeping during a game, at least not a lot.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on May 10, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it's progress that people are starting to realize that he is done.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 10, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
This makes me really, really, wish the Griffey had retired at the end of last season.
Because his ending to this season is not going to be pretty.
That's the saddest part to me.
He has the perfect chance to go out on a high note last year and like so many aging superstars just couldn’t let go.
Exactly.. last year was PERFECT timing to call it a career
by seattlesundevil on May 10, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I think that's what we were all hoping for, yeah.
And while I’m sure that this isn’t an unprecedented occurrence, it’s just not acceptable within the context of his lack of performance. It makes him LOOK lazy and uncaring, whether that’s the reality or not.
Go home, Junior. You can nap all you want.
Yeah, this bothers me
I don’t want Griffey DHing, but I feel uncomfortable thinking that he will be released. I wish he could have gone out gracefully, but he didn’t, and now things could get really… awkward. I don’t know if that’s the right word.
Junior, for the love all all that's good, PLEASE retire now
What a totally embarrasing end to a hall of fame career. I can’t think of any sure HOFer (well, non-pitcher) who’s ever gone out with such a whimper. He must be regretting having come back for this last year.
There have been many
Willie Mays comes to mind.
At 41 he hit .184 w/ 0 HRs in 19 games, then was traded to the Mets…where he did slightly better.
At 42 he hit .211/.303/.344 with 6 HRs.
Thus far, Griffey has been worse this year, but last year he was better than Willie’s final line.
That said, Griffey is probably the biggest and most untainted superstar of our generation, so I think he gets more leeway than any other “star” from the steroid era. You wouldn’t see Sosa or Ortiz getting this kind of leash, and that’s for a valid (though maybe not very good) reason IMO.
Oh God that game was like watching a video of a crash.
You know it’s a disaster, you’re not quite sure at what point in the video it will happen, and people are going to fucking die.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 10, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
So, when would the PH have come?
in the 4th, with the bases loaded, or in the later innings when noone was on base and he was the last out? Game impact seems minimal. But that only reaffirms my belief that the napping is a small part of the move.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on May 10, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, no, he's not nearing the end because he fell asleep
In fact, I’m guessing this isn’t the first time this has happened.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 10, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, shit. Well, could have used a lefty bat there
not sure if Griffey was the answer really, but still. That was the game right there.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on May 10, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
My favorite part is where it says Rob Johnson specifically.
Like he is the only one not hitting. Apparently every IS Rob Johnson’s fault.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 10, 2010 11:51 AM PDT reply actions
.
I’m not going to use this as another reason to get mad at Junior.
Cool. I will. Fuck you, Griffey.
by Eyeball Kid on May 10, 2010 11:53 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
There is an out clause for retirement, right?
by seattlesundevil on May 10, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
No, no there is not.
Suckers.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 10, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No happy ending to this story unless he hits it out.
I guess it doesn’t have to be ML though.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on May 10, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Who is actually still doing Grifflent?
by seattlebruin on May 10, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I am...
I’ve even lost a few pounds. I’m torn on whether or not I want Griffey to hit the HR… My willpower probably isn’t strong enough to keep this up once I lose that motivation.
Rooting for lovable losers since 1984.
by seattlecougar on May 10, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Griffey- Mays
I’m too young to remember but I wonder if this was the same discussion in 1973 when Willie Mays was a shell of is former self on the Mets World Series team.
It's not really that clearcut
Because Mays started 1972 out HORRENDOUSLY… and the 1973 numbers are too similar:
Mays: .211/.303..344 6 HRs over 88 games
Jr: .208/.265/.234 0 HRs over 23 games
Ok, Junior is worse this year… but hey, ground balls to the right side that make it through the hole are still hits, right? Right?
If Griffey played 88 games, maybe he’d end up getting an HR or two to even things out.
Please nobody mention the wOBA
Because Mays in 1973 was .302 and Jr 2010 is at .233, and that’s a pretty big diff.
Mays had 10 doubles and 1 SB over 239 appearances
I guess that’s better than 2 doubles and 0 SBs over 83.
Junior hasn’t stolen a base since 2007, when he stole 6. You gotta go back to his last year as an M, 1999, to find a year where he stole double-digit bases.
Griffey - Mays
BA OBP SLG OPS
1973 Mays .211 .303 .344 .647
2010 Griffey .208 .265 .234 .499
Unlike Griffey, Mays did play the field. He was so bad that that point may favor Junior.
I'd be more than happy if we released him
But I just hope for the sake of goodwill towards the FO he retires.
I may be comparing apples and oranges
But it stands out to me as more than a little interesting that the reaction to Griffey falling asleep in the clubhouse during a game is so drastically different than the reaction to Yuni missing early BP because he was asleep on the team plane during the announcement.
Rooting for lovable losers since 1984.
In other news...
“ModernTube: Keith Hernandez falls asleep during Mets game” is a current headline linked on the righthand menu.
Rooting for lovable losers since 1984.
Asleep? Or diabetic coma?
Got my sig stolen
by Coach Owens on May 10, 2010 12:00 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
I really hope he just becomes a bench coach or retires
It would make me sad to have him be released
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
I'm sure Powell hasn't moved yet.
Griffey, you can retain your dignity by relinquishing your 25-man roster spot and becoming the hitting coach.
Because he is old, fat, and useless.
by Cantu Easley Winn on May 10, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand that.
Yet you seem to be actively rooting for his embarrassment as opposed to some sort of retirement or face-saving transition to the front office. I may be misreading you however.
Well, I would rather he become a coach or something,
but I just want him off the roster.
by Cantu Easley Winn on May 10, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
That would be awesome.
It would make this whole thing less awkward.
He will go home to his family
he will not coach until his kids are off to college, I guess.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on May 10, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he'll retire.
The chances of him staying with the organization right now are basically nil.
Yup... That's it!
GO GO GO – before it crashes again!
by seattlesundevil on May 10, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone know a Joe Rehberger?
Stay Griffey! Why don’t we get rid of Figgins, Moore, Johnson, and pretty much everyone but Ichi and Guti while we’re at it, huh.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on May 10, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Somebody apparently thinks we still have Adam Jones.
I love our fans.
by melenious on May 10, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I mean that guy hasn't done anything for the mariners lately.
Cut him now.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 10, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I say we trade him to the Orioles and see if we can pry away that budding ace Erik Bedard...
I'd sleep at the Internet, but I've found servers don't make for good pillows.
by thehemogoblin on May 10, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn it Griffey why didn't you call it a career after last season you old geezer :(
This will not end well. Signing him on for another season was a disaster waiting to happen.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
How embarrassing.
Or is it even embarrassing at this point? I don’t know anymore.
Sigh.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on May 10, 2010 12:16 PM PDT reply actions
Good call.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on May 10, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Great news!
I can’t wait for people to somehow blame this on Milton Bradley.
Sarcasm…I hope.
Carlos Silvelite
He's ruining the clubhouse with his absence!
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on May 10, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Griffey was so depressed that Milton was depressed.
His performance suffered. Dammit Milton.
by Hopefulmsfan on May 10, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
As an old school Mariners fan this makes me sad
The sleeping in the clubhouse is bad, but if his legs are as shot as LaRue says, and as they appear to be from his play, Griffey needs to retire. The team can hold a ceremony, retire #24, and bring in someone who can contribute more than happy memories..
This is how I feel as well.
I don’t share the joy and mirth of those who are glad to see his downfall, or whatever this is.
I was 9 when Griffey joined the team. He is one of my childhood heroes. I was 15 when he when from first to home on the double. Watching him play last year was incredible and magical. I was there for what should have been his last game last year. They had so much fun, and in a way, I think Griffey thought that this could last forever, or at least one more year.
This feels like someone is stomping on my nuts. Seriously. I want to cry.
Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.
Yeah, you knew it was coming. But no one thought it would be this bad.
I was delusionally hoping the team would do what it said it was going to do.
And have Griffey in a limited role. Basically just along for the ride. Then they made him the starting DH and I knew this would end poorly.
by Hopefulmsfan on May 10, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely
As a spot start at DH/occasional pinch-hitter, I didn’t have an issue with him being the 25th man on the roster.
But then we brought Sweeney back as well.
And we then proceeded to make Griffey the starting DH against righties…what we have seen has been predictable since…
There was no way this season was going to end well for Griffey,
by Cantu Easley Winn on May 10, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel the same as Henry
We all knew the season was likely going to end badly, but no one predicted a PR debacle where Gramps fell asleep in a La-Z-Boy backstage while the team was mired in an 8 game losing streak.
If there was 1 thing The Kid could still do, it was…well…stay awake and joke with his teammates through a horrendous losing streak.
Seriously. If anyone predicted a Napgate scandal going into this season, I’d love to see it.
Subject line please...
I would argue that just about EVERYONE thought / knew it would be this bad..
by seattlesundevil on May 10, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think we thought it would be THIS bad
I think before the season I even said .335 wOBA!
by seattlebruin on May 10, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
No more nostalgia.
Mariners nostalgia in 2010 is officially fucking dead and buried.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on May 10, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
No it isn't, which is why it's so fucking annoying.
by Eyeball Kid on May 10, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on May 10, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm a bit older, but in the same basic age range.
Aren’t you desperate for him to leave and end this catastrofuck? If you saw Griffey in 1990-1995, then you know how agonizing it is to watch him now.
I’d like him gone, and I’d like to never mention that he was on the team in 2010 again.
Agreed.
This is just ruining his legacy. Like Jordan’s third stint in the NBA.
More like Jordan's stint with the White Sox.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 10, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I felt so happy for Griffey's return on the last day of last season when he was carried off the field to a standing ovation
that was the perfect ending to this Griffey 2.0 story. The 2010 postscript has been agonizing.
The perfect ending would have been for him to be traded here during 2007... or to retire here on a one day contract in 2009.
*sigh*
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by Jeff Sullivan on May 10, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
As someone who is also late 20's ish
Yes. I’m ready. I wanted to see one more home run in a Mariner uniform in 2009. I got it. Let’s win some games.
I just hope this doesn't have a negative effect on Ichiro
Its been in the back of my mind ever since the season started. Ichiro seems like Junior’s little brother.
Carlos Silvelite
Ichiro will be fine.
Its nice when Ichiro is happy but he’s been excellent on some bad teams with sad clubhouses and he’ll continue to be excellent until his body breaks down.
Thats the part I've been worried about
I knew Griffey would slow down, but I understand what his presence did for Ichiro last year. Ichiro will continue to put up great numbers… but if all of us feel this bad watching our childhood hero deteriorate before our eyes, imagine how Ichiro feels.
Yeah, I hope he doesn't return his pre-2009 form.
He was terrible then.
by Eyeball Kid on May 10, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, especially
that one year when he got less than 200 hits oh wait that didn’t ever happen
by pdb on May 10, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
If nobody else is going to do it
I will begin the speculation on who the two players were. We know they must have been around while this game happened (May 2 2010).
Hint 1: “Two Mariners players, however, weren’t. Both are younger players, fond of Griffey. Neither had an ax to grind.”
They must be “young” players. We don’t know if this refers to their age or number of years in the majors. For our purposes we can throw out any thought of players above 28 years old.
Hint 2: "He was asleep in the clubhouse," one player said. "He’d gone back about the fifth inning to get a jacket and didn’t come back. I went back in about the seventh inning – and he was in his chair, sound asleep."
Player A (just to keep a distinction between the two sources) entered the clubhouse in the 7th inning. Fister pitched 8 innings so we can rule out any members of the bullpen from entering the clubhouse at this time. Therefore it must be a SP or position player.
Hint 3: “The other player, who knows Griffey a little better, tried to ratonalize.”
This tells us that player B knows Griffey better than player A. One could assume that player A was not on the team last year and player B was. Player B could be any of the position players or pitchers but likely was with the club last year.
Player A: younger than 28 yrs old, not part of the bullpen, likely did not play on the team much last year
Suspects: Casey Kotchman, Adam Moore, Matt Tuiasosopo, Doug Fister
Player B: younger than 28 yrs old, played on the team last year
Suspects: Rob Johnson, Jose Lopez, Franklin Gutierrez, Felix Hernandez, Ryan Rowland-Smith, Jason Vargas
There are definitely flaws in the assumptions but it whittles the list of players down.
by Edgar for Pres on May 10, 2010 12:47 PM PDT reply actions
Player A always tells the truth and Player B always lies.
by Cantu Easley Winn on May 10, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Player A is on a train headed to Chicago at 97 mph and Player B is hitchhiking to Akron in the back of an Amish buggy
what time does Wakamatsu wake Griffey up from his nappy naps?
by pdb on May 10, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Warning: Nappy Times! Enter only if you have a valid passport to dreamland!
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mariners fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on May 10, 2010 12:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If Player A is on a train headed to Chicago, I say we blow up that damn train.
Charter Member: Dave Sims Sweet Hat Club
by Two Rs and Two Ls on May 10, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Griffey sleeping in chair bobblehead night!
I love it! They will have another near sell out!
by mark sobba on May 10, 2010 12:52 PM PDT reply actions 11 recs
They should convert four Diamond Club seats to recliners and upgrade four fans a game
by pdb on May 10, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
RALLY NAPS!
people can come to the game with their signs quilted on a blanket. When the Ms offense is sputtering, they can nod off to try and boost the team’s fortunes.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on May 10, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
By the way, ESPN has picked up the story.
No way this one isn’t going to get national attention now. Still no sign of it on the Seattle Times page, though. Get with it, Baker ;)
Baker is still recovering from writing his usual fluff blog pieces.
by ThundaPC on May 10, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Geoff has a theory on how we can trade Junior
for Octavio Dotel.
I believe everyone is flying to Baltimore.
I assume that they may now know the proverbial fan has been hit, but may not have the chance to respond.
Does this mean I can't make
passive-aggressive swipes? Because if so I’ll never have anything to say.
How does that work?
I thought they get the day off and fly out tonight.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 10, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Holy shit, the perfect opportunity...
Griffey -→ DFR (retirement)
Saunders -→ fulltime LF
Bradley -→ fulltime DH
Langerhans -→ Backup OF who can spell Frank and Mike once in a while. And Ichiro twice this season.
Please please please please please…
And then I don't hate Sweeney being on the team any more
by Aaron Campeau on May 10, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
One hugger is astronomically better than two.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 10, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Unfortuantely, they would probably send down Langerhans and try
to acquire a right-handed bat.
Got my sig stolen
I don't think so, Langerhans is an incredible 4th OF.
If we need a RH bat, it’s going to be at the expense of Sweeney. Sweeney’s only job is RH bat, he sucks at it, and if Griffey gets cut it’s hard to imagine them keeping a soft spot for Sweeney.
I'm listening to Brock and Salk right now, it is just comical.
‘We can’t release him! That is no way you treat a legend! We can just keep him as a utility player!’
Buh.
by melenious on May 10, 2010 1:17 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
This is why they can't be taken seriously.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 10, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Salk called the caller out on this.
“How can Griffey be a utility player if he can’t play a position?”
Oh ok it was a caller. That makes more sense.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on May 10, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Jack of all trades, master of napping in the clubhouse.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on May 10, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
A utility player...
who can’t play any position in the field… which is the definition of a utility player.
Just went on a rant saying that Griffey is responsible for hitting, being a clubhouse presence, and putting fans in the seats
and it sure as hell doesn’t look like he’s doing any of that.
Salk is a smart dude. He has an audience that he has to keep in mind
but he knows what’s what
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on May 10, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
All this talk about naps....
Is making me tired. Have a great afternoon everyone. See you in a couple hours!
Give this 8 hours
it will come out that Bradley was the unnamed player who ratted Griffey out, and everything will be about Bradley being a bad boy again
Bradley Accused of Reading Griffey Bedtime Story; Legend Falls Asleep During Game
by ThomasG on May 10, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
To tell you the truth, I always wondered if Ibanez drooled when he hit.
I mean his face was constantly crammed full with tobacco. Wouldn’t surprise me.
Got my sig stolen
Then the sleeping Griffey, la-z-boy chair and all, was carried out of the stadium on the shoulders of his teammates.
Slowly moving pass those close enough could hear the mournful voices of Griffey’s teammates “Jesus Christ, didn’t we do this a few months ago?” “At least we didn’t have to carry this fucking chair then!” “Esta zorra es la grasa.”
With tears in their eyes, the crowd stood, raised their hands in the air and sang one last time: HEY HO! HEY HO!
by mark sobba on May 10, 2010 1:36 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Holy crap, that is IMPRESSIVE
I'd sleep at the Internet, but I've found servers don't make for good pillows.
by thehemogoblin on May 10, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
If I were a cynic, I'd wonder if these reports were a pre-emptive PR bomb from the org to help justify Griffey's impending release.
Because, after all, this is the kind of thing that could compel average fans to accept a Griffey release in a way that arguments about opportunity cost and roster construction would not. This is exactly the kind of cover the organization needs to make the right move.
That would be a shrewd bit of realpolitik, but I’m not yet quite that cynical. I don’t think this was planned, partially because it would make it harder for Griffey to retire gracefully, but the organization probably has a window now in which they could sever ties in a respectful way.
Don't worry everyone, false alarm, Griffey napping on the job is nothing new.
by lailaihei on May 10, 2010 2:08 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
She's trying to defend him and saying that he could be woken up if need be,
but wasn’t he needed in that situation? It seems like this shows the trust level in him as a PH or maybe I’m reading too much into it.
by seattle_since_81 on May 10, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's what I'm taking from this.
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by Two Rs and Two Ls on May 10, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay okay we get it he likes to nap and its not a problem
can we still get him off the roster? I mean, I don’t really care if he was unavailable to hit because he was stepping on kittens or ministering to SoDo methheads. I just want the retirement party.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on May 10, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love the first comment on that.
Thanks!!!!!!!
Thanks, Shannon. This helps give perspective to LaRue’s blog. Amazing how quickly “normal” stuff can be misconstued. If The Kid was doing this even back when Piniella was here…give him a break, wake him up if needed and don’t insinuate that this is indicative of the Mariners’ struggles or Griffey’s motivation. May they score another 8 runs in Baltimore!!!
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on May 10, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I am not surprised. I fall asleep all the time watching the Mariners offense....
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
And you don't get paid for it.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on May 10, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, I hadn't realized this.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 10, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Your signature is apt here.
...and now I'm here
So the real take-away here is that those two unnamed Mariners should STOP SNITCHIN'
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on May 10, 2010 3:56 PM PDT reply actions
I just finished watching Season 4 of The Wire
and I can’t get the phrase SNITCH BITCH out of my head right now.

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