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1-3, Game Thoughts

"NO DON'T STEP ON IT IT'S GOING TO BLOW UP!" "I WANT TO STEP ON IT SO BAD!" "DON'T STEP ON IT IT'S GOING TO BLOW UP!" "LET ME STEP ON IT"

Let the calls for more offense commence. That's what I imagine the theme is going to be after this series. Errors were a big part of our output in game 1. We got embarrassed by Dallas Braden in game 2. We only had one extra-base hit in game 3. We were shut out through eight innings in game 4. This offense is terrible. There's no way the Mariners stand a chance of competing as long as they're running out a lineup this bad.

Right?

Don't be one of those guys. We all know this offense isn't going to light up the scoreboard on a regular basis. That's not new news. But you can't watch four games and immediately throw out all the offseason analysis that showed how much better we'd be. The M's had a terrific approach against Ben Sheets. They looked bad against Braden, but Braden's changeup was apparently out of this world. They hit a bunch of line drives a day ago. And today, while you never want to be scoreless going into the ninth, it's hard to fault a lineup when it doesn't hit Brett Anderson. Brett Anderson is an excellent young pitcher. He's one of the better arms in the league. This happens. Note that, for whatever it's worth, Rajai Davis took a homer away from Milton Bradley in the second.

Through the first four games of the season, the lineup hasn't looked so hot, but it's a small sample, it's the first week, they faced some good pitchers, and they were the victims of some good defense. It's pretty obvious when it's the right time to panic. It isn't the right time to panic. To be sure, you can be disappointed - I imagine we're all disappointed - but impatience is seldom rewarded.

  • Holding true to my rule about early-season pitcher analysis, all I will say is that, if you watched the game this afternoon, you'd never believe that Doug Fister walked 11 batters in 106 AAA innings a year ago. For a guy with the very definition of a pedestrian fastball, he was throwing an awful lot of them, and that's because he was both falling behind everyone and struggling to show even the slightest bit of offspeed command. The Jesus Colome move sounded aggressive this morning, but sweet baby Jesus did that ever come in handy, because Oakland worked Fister's pitch count like Mike Blowers works his hair.

  • This sounds silly since I've dismissed him before, but Colome showed me a lot of good things today. Not only did he soak up three innings of much-needed relief, but he threw first-pitch strikes to ten of the 13 batters he faced and flashed this sharp little slider that looked good low in the zone. It's worth keeping him around for a little while to see if any of this improved command is for real, because if it is, he's a decent solution against righties and probably a better pitcher than Sean White.

  • Tricky play early on, when Rajai Davis led off with a chopper. Jose Lopez was able to field a shorthop at third, and then Matt Tuiasosopo was able to field Lopez's shorthopped throw at first. Good way to get two guys in the infield involved right off the bat. Not much else to report as far as Lopez's defense is concerned - he couldn't barehand an excellent Cliff Pennington bunt up the line in the eighth, but few can, and anyone who complained about that play as it happened forgot just how spoiled we've been.

    That Pennington bunt was historically significant, by the way, because it wound up going for a double. After Lopez bobbled the attempted barehand, Adam Moore raced up the line and tried to scoop the ball with his catcher's mask. Turns out you can't field a ball in play with headgear, so the runner on was awarded third base, and Pennington was awarded second. That's the kind of double only the Mariners or a team just like the Mariners would hit. So if you've ever messed around and tried to, say, catch a baseball with your hat, congratulations, you're breaking the rules. Way to set an example for the kids out there.

  • There were signs of life in the top of the seventh, when the Mariners - behind 4-0 - had two on and none out. Chad Gaudin came in from the Oakland bullpen to pitch to Milton Bradley, and on the first pitch, Bradley squared up and tried to lay down a bunt that rolled just foul.

    I'm torn on this one. On the one hand, I support the game theory thought process, and had Bradley kept the ball fair, he could've cartwheeled to first base. But on the other hand, Bradley was followed in the batting order by five consecutive righties, and if you weren't aware, Chad Gaudin has some of the more extreme splits in baseball. Over the course of Gaudin's career, righties have posted an OBP of .318 while lefties have posted an OBP of .389.

    The Mariners needed Bradley to deliver in that situation, because after him they didn't stand much of a chance. And so, in order to justify a bunt, Bradley had to be absolutely certain he could get it down.

    He didn't, and he wound up striking out. Shockingly, Sweeney and Lopez failed as well, and no runs were scored. Huge at bat for Bradley, and an unfortunate result.

  • Got to see the bullpen congratulate the ball boy one by one when he fielded a foul grounder in the third. Always hilarious. I'm never going to want to see Mark Lowe get traded.

  • Your Milton Bradley Event Summary:

    (1) Took a high 2-1 heater to straightaway center in the second that Rajai Davis raced down and snagged with a leaping catch over the wall. With most any other center fielder, that's a home run. Bradley doffed his batting helmet in recognition of the play.

    (2) In the bottom of the second, after failing to run down a foul pop up, Bradley blew a kiss to the fans down the third base line. You know those guys have been giving it to Bradley for four straight days, and it's both funny to watch him respond, and also annoying, because, hey, everything you do draws attention, so you should probably try to do as little as possible in terms of extracurricular activity.

    (3) Took a 3-1 heater to straightaway center in the fourth that Rajai Davis raced down in front of the track. Bradley sighed and smiled, as he nearly got all of it. Bradley was fractions of inches away from having a two-homer afternoon.

    (4) The aforementioned bunt attempt

    (5) Slid in an attempt to catch a sinking line drive in one of the early innings. He knocked it down instead. That's the second or third diving try Bradley has attempted in two days, and this is why I'm so nervous about having him play the field. He's a fine defensive outfielder - somewhere around average or above-average - but he's proven to be so brittle over the years that I'd really rather not tempt fate. Unless you're Bill Hall, playing the outfield can take a toll on the legs.

  • Franklin Gutierrez ended the bottom of the first by making a running catch on a Kevin Kouzmanoff fly just in front of the center field fence. That's probably really annoying for Franklin, because it means he has to jog 400 feet back to the dugout. The good news is that, if nothing else, he wasn't due to lead off the second. Those are some splits I'd like to see. I know people have looked at the effect of baserunning on pitcher performance before. Let's apply a distant relative of this analysis to rangey outfielders!

    Wakamatsu: Franklin, you're up.
    Gutierrez: Can I get a second?
    Wakamatsu: I can't pause the baseball game.
    Gutierrez: I need to catch my breath.
    Wakamatsu: You should've thought of that before catching the baseball.

  • I wonder how well fan applause correlates with the run value of the event that's just taken place. Do fans cheer 38% louder for the average double than they do for the average single? Do fans cheer 171% louder for the average home run than they do for the average walk? Fan response is probably exaggerated. The point I'm doing a miserable job of getting to is that I think fans should get a little more excited about hitter-friendly counts, like 2-0 and 3-1. You know what happens in those hitter's counts? The average hitter turns into Albert Pujols. I know cheering for increased probability that something good might happen is different from cheering for something good that already happened, but I really don't think people realize how good it is when a hitter gets ahead.

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You are far, far too kind on the Bradley bunt

That was one of the dumbest things ever. Down by four, with five righties coming up and Gaudin on the mound, an infield single increases your chances of winning by a couple of points, at best. A home run increases it by a massive amount.

Bradley vs Gaudin with two men on base is about the best situation you could possibly hope for with this offense. Screw game theory. Bunting in that situation is insane.

by davidcameron on Apr 8, 2010 5:22 PM PDT reply actions  

S'what I said in the game thread.

I said something before David Cameron did, and he agrees. Holy cow, this is like having my existence validated.

by harkening on Apr 8, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

A successful bunt single there takes the WE% from 13.5% to 20.8%

That’s a pretty significant bump. And then, who knows, maybe you follow by pinch-hitting Junior. It’s not the play I would’ve made, but I can at least understand why he tried.

by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 8, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with this.

And in a situation where the other guys totally aren’t expecting it, Bradley might have been looking at a 50% success rate if my memory of bunt-for-hit success rates is correct. It’s not a horrendous idea, it just didn’t work out.

And then there’s the point where if it had worked, teams would be looking for that in the future, thus increasing chances that Milton would give ’em the old butcher boy.

by Johnny Slick on Apr 8, 2010 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Given an average context, sure

Chad Gaudin vs Mike Sweeney, Jose Lopez, and Matt Tuiasosopo does not qualify as such. The odds of the M’s scoring a bunch of runs if Bradley had reached via a bunt single are not good.

by davidcameron on Apr 8, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Griffey and Kotchman were on the bench

it’s pretty hard to say if Wak would have used them or not.

by Matthew on Apr 8, 2010 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

But a homer is always the best possible outcome in any given circumstance. Why bother taking balls or trying to go the other way?

What is the probability of a homer in that situation? Maybe 5%? 10? If he’s guaranteed a single on the bunt attempt, it’s not so insane. Down 4-0, the hitters behind Bradley will have to do something regardless of whether Bradley homers.

by abender20 on Apr 8, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course a HR is better than an infield single,

but if you’re going to compare the two as far delta-WE, you really need to factor in the liklihood of each event occuring. A home run is not equally as likely as a bunt single.

by Matthew on Apr 8, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I didn't have a huge problem with him giving away a pitch to see if he could load the bases there..

It’s easy to sit here and say he should know Gaudin is death to righties and he’s got righties on deck, but did he know Wak wouldn’t pinch hit? Is he supposed to the approach the AB thinking, the guys behind me will never succeed, so I have to hit a home run here?

by Rudy4three on Apr 8, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Our infield today was so weird

Our first baseman was a third baseman who also plays shortstop.
Our third baseman was a second baseman who also plays first base but was originally a shortstop.
Our second baseman was a third baseman who also plays left field and center field and right field and shortstop.
Our shortstop was Jack Wilson.

by Nick S on Apr 8, 2010 5:32 PM PDT reply actions  

I liked that Bradley bunt, keep the 3B honest and it might pay off in the future as well. Too bad it was foul.

I rarely see the games, but I was convinced there was a Beltre shift. Three steps, straight back. Someday I’ll buy MLB for the archives and compare some screenshots just to satisfy my curiosity.

by Kermit. on Apr 8, 2010 5:55 PM PDT reply actions  

I went to the game last night and sat in the right field bleachers

I have to say, last night made me a big Milton Bradley fan. He’s not the best player but he’s fun to watch. The HR was nice but I loved how the fans were constantly heckling him and he was having a little fun with it and making some motions back at the fans. The fans ate it up. Thank you for not being boring.

by Edgar for Pres on Apr 8, 2010 6:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Breathe.

It’s a long season.

sock puppets have never successfully defended castles. -nm

by Leopold Bloom on Apr 8, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know

The only game I’ve actually watched was yesterday’s and the M’s did not look like a good baseball team. Just gotta remember how good Brett Anderson is, how bad Doug Fister is, and how not available Cliff Lee is. Take 2 of 3 from Texas and I’ll be ok.

by speedomike on Apr 9, 2010 2:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

This series brought back those 2002/2003 feelings

When we decided to not play .750 ball when the A’s were playing .990 ball. It’s obviously not the same situation, the point being that it’s nice to believe this team can compete. It’s not nice for the fucking Athletics to try and be a constant pain in our ass. I just hope we win the series in Texas.

Carlos Silvelite

by OceanBird on Apr 8, 2010 7:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Jeff, I like you're optimism in this post, but you're right, only games in...

Also,

stats when players are supposed to bat after making a long-run catch in the outfield?

stats depending on the crowds “cheer”?

How do you come up with this, that’s awesome

by fortyniners on Apr 8, 2010 7:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm confused

Why is this post leading so many people to LSB?

Is there a link here I missed?

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 8, 2010 8:17 PM PDT reply actions  

They were lead there by mystical forces beyond the explanation of modern science.

As though the voices of the universe were equipped with a technological tool that allowed them to magnify their voices nearly two dozen fold in order to have them heard by the populace.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Apr 8, 2010 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess someone there was being a duchscherer.

2010 Safeco Field Record: 0-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 10-4

by Fin on Apr 8, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jack Wilson having Barton's slide break up the double play in the eighth

If you watch the replay closely, Barton is nowhere near the bag. His hand visibly cannot reach when he is sliding into Wilson. That should have been a double play from runner’s interference.

by tdot mariner fan on Apr 8, 2010 8:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Maybe some day we will have robots

But it would be awkward getting rid of all those umps. Compromise with robot-assisted umps?

by Albert Poo Holes on Apr 8, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

So..

What good/bad have I missed it exactly? I have not been home since 10 AM, and I just got home. Only thing I heard is Fister didn’t pitch well.

Yankee Hater.

by Ef the yankees on Apr 8, 2010 10:10 PM PDT reply actions  

On a Happy note

Angels lose 10-1 to the Twins. Angels are also 1-3.

by ThundaPC on Apr 8, 2010 10:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Season over! Crown the Athletics king!

Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.

by JAH on Apr 8, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Angels lost to the Twins, a talented team.

Mariners lost to Kurt Suzuki and then 8 other A’s. I know it’s a long season, but this is a painful sting early in the season. So many errors, stupid plays and bad decisions are not promising signs for the future.

by mariseanerhawk on Apr 8, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, we just as easily been 3-1 right now

had we one those 1 run games. As of right now, I remain unconcerned. I will panic later though if we still suck in May. Mike Sweeney on the team is annoying.

by Albert Poo Holes on Apr 8, 2010 10:54 PM PDT reply actions  

We only had to use 3 pitchers yesterday

That’s my positive takeaway from that game.

by speedomike on Apr 9, 2010 8:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Of course you can't field the ball with your mask. Everyone knows that.

Especially catchers.

Except Adam Moore. Apparently he’s retarded.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Apr 9, 2010 10:04 AM PDT reply actions  

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