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Around SBN: Win or Lose, Boston Celtics' New Big 3 Era A Success

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Biggest Contribution: Ian Snell, +25.0%
Biggest Suckfest: Kanekoa Texeira, -21.6%
Most Important AB: Bradley fly out, -8.0%; Gutierrez single, +8.0% (wild pitch: +9.7%)
Most Important Pitch: Ellis single, -38.3%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): +31.7%
Total Contribution by Lineup: -91.9%
Total Contribution by Opposition: +10.2%
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i think biggest suckfest on tex is unfair

Maybe bradley was more deserving there, tex got out of the bot 9 jam and was looking good in the 10th before you know what happened…

by mariseanerhawk on Apr 6, 2010 10:30 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Those are calculated by WPA.

Not some arbitrary number Jeff decides to give a player.

by Jackle Mackle on Apr 6, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

And is a good way to dole out who was the best and worst

It beats the hell out of arbitrarily picking them by looks. The system tells you who screwed up or did well and, more importantly, when they did it and what it cost the team.

by Brian Floyd on Apr 6, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok so maybe i'm just blind as to what tex did wrong then???

i dont care how many years of data you build, tex got us out of the bottom of the 9th and he was ahead on the 0-2 count and pitch low and out of the zone trying to a) get the K swinging or b) induce the groundball, both of which are the right thing to do. some one aid me in my confusion please.

by mariseanerhawk on Apr 6, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Texeria can do no wrong.

rawr

Carlos Silva is latin for "Let the buyer beware".

by ErictheRed on Apr 7, 2010 2:18 AM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

Biggest suckfest: Wakamatsu

What the fuck is up with his use of the bullpen?

by harkening on Apr 6, 2010 10:34 PM PDT reply actions  

n/s

I though the bullpen was used fine tonight, might have let Kelley go two innings, but I don’t have a big issue with it outside of that.

by MFAN on Apr 6, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

You don't put pitchers in the game just to get them work. You leverage your pitchers to improve your odds of winning.

Wak is operating with the first paradigm.

They were trying to "stretch out" Kelley in spring training to throw 3 innings as needed, and Mark Lowe is supposed to be able to go 2 innings-ish. After using three pitchers last night, Wak left himself with only one reliever who was "fresh" (Tex).

The idea that these early games are your chance to "get work in" has to go. Texeira wasn’t bad, but he was essentially thrown to the dogs. I’m sure League could have thrown some more pitches after last night, and DA is nominally an everyday closer–but in a tie ball game, high leverage situation, Wak had no idea if he was staring at a 9-inning game or a 15-inning game. If it goes 15, what then? I mean, honestly: what then?

by harkening on Apr 6, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Kelley and Lowe go two innings tonight, then you don't have them tomorrow.

So Texeira likely would of had to pitch tomorrow anyways, plus he looked good. The bullpen is good, so outside of White I really don’t have a problem with any of these guys in a high leverage situation.

by MFAN on Apr 6, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

"would of?"

I’ve never understood where this comes from. It makes as much sense as typing “wood oeuvres.”

by short on Apr 6, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sure, but...

It simply doesn’t make sense to type “would of.” The words, put together like that, are senseless. I get why a lot of grammar mistakes happen, but that one has always eluded me.

by short on Apr 6, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

He barely did anything wrong tonight

Only questionable call was yanking Kelley after one.

by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 6, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's where we disagree.

See above post. I’m not saying the result would have been different, but I’m process-oriented.

by harkening on Apr 6, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Jeff is process oriented as well.

I think he’s saying Wak barely did anything wrong.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 6, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I didn't understand only using Kelley for one. You only have two relievers capable of giving

multiple innings and you pull one guy after he pitches one, and you bring the other guy in shortly after. You are putting yourself in a tough spot where you can’t pull Texeira if he doesn’t have it because you may run out of relievers pretty quickley if you do.

by Rudy4three on Apr 6, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not saying Texeira pitched all that poorly tonight, but by bringing your last long man in so early

you have to stay committed to him longer than you might like

As useless as the 7th man in the pen usually is, it’s comforting for a manager to know he has some dude like Garrett Olson who can mop up 4-5 innings if need be. I think it allows a manager some freedom in his bullpen changes

by Rudy4three on Apr 6, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly!

Especially since Kanekoa has never seen anything ahead of AA ball. He’s good; he’s got talent. He’ll probably be a useful tool out of the bullpen this year. But I don’t like the use of him here.

by harkening on Apr 6, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't have much issue with the way he actually pitched, but if we

had a mop up guy in there, or if he hadn’t just burnt Kelley by using him one inning, then maybe he goes to League to get Ellis with two on and two out.

I don’t know, I just think you limit your freedom when you carry only six relievers and use both your long men so early in the game

by Rudy4three on Apr 6, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

You limit your freedom when your 'long man' can only go 1 inning...

If Kelley is going to be that guy then you have to be able to trust him to go more than 18 pitches in a tie game.

by mwalter on Apr 6, 2010 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

You guys can have Patterson

(first post on LL, I’m normally on AN)

"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey

Everything is better with bacon.

by cuppingmaster on Apr 6, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's Tui?

(Okay, only slightly better than chopped liver, but he is there!)

by harkening on Apr 6, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where was the patience tonight?

Was Braden that deceptive? There were way too many swings on balls out of the strike zone. Since we don’t have a lot of power we’ve got to wait for the pitches that can be hit for something.

by TrustBaseball on Apr 6, 2010 10:55 PM PDT reply actions  

I suppose you're right about the pitching. He was better than I've ever seen him.

Please capitalize where appropriate. They’re going to get mad at you. Play by the rules.

by TrustBaseball on Apr 6, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bradley has swung-and-missed a lot so far

but I get the sense that when he makes contact with the ball, it’s gonna fly with Angry Man Power.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Apr 6, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are we talking about the same Bradley?

I’m pretty sure the Milton Bradley the M’s picked up is not a power guy… I see angry man pop up in the infield…Where’s Mike Sweeney?? We got 3 DH’s, so why not bat the one who showed off the most in spring training?

by mariseanerhawk on Apr 6, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

To elaborate

Funky ballparks, funky weather, and substandard competition make spring training stats somewhat meaningless.

by BrianL on Apr 6, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Two games.

Bradley is one of the more patient hitters in baseball.

by Teej on Apr 6, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Two games is a pretty small window to play with.

Over the last few seasons Bradley has shown he’s a significantly better hitter than Sweeney.

by BrianL on Apr 6, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Devil's advocate" implies that we don't believe what we're saying

but rather that we’re saying it only for the sake or argument. I can’t speak for anyone else but I actually believe that Bradley is a better hitter than Sweeney.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 6, 2010 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Satan's Co-Pilot, maybe?

Carlos Silva is latin for "Let the buyer beware".

by ErictheRed on Apr 6, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I understand I made the TV tonight?

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Apr 6, 2010 11:02 PM PDT reply actions  

You are correct sir.

Coming back from, I believe, the 3rd inning, they showed you for about 20 seconds.

by seattle_since_81 on Apr 6, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which sign made it on air?

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Apr 7, 2010 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Behind home plate, slightly on the third base side, about 27 rows up.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Apr 7, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yup!

It was the “A Great Day Deserves a Great Hat” sign that made it on TV.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Apr 7, 2010 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Even though we lost

I’m just glad there’s actually something to fucking talk about.

by Mariner John on Apr 6, 2010 11:03 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I hate fucking Kurt Suzuki

And I swear to fucking god, it’s like three out of every five times I go to a game in Oakland they win with a walk off.

Not like “Celebration” was ever a good song, but I’m sure Kool & The Gang make a killing off the royalties.

Carlos Silvelite

by OceanBird on Apr 6, 2010 11:19 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't mind fucking him,

but he always gets too damn cuddly and emotional afterwards.

by Terminator X on Apr 7, 2010 1:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, you get really girly after, huh?

sock puppets have never successfully defended castles. -nm

by Leopold Bloom on Apr 7, 2010 2:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

If not wanting to cuddle with a man after having gay sex with him means I'm girly, then yes, I'm girly.

But really, I don’t think it means I’m girly. I think it just means I have to be alone with my shame.

by Terminator X on Apr 7, 2010 2:22 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

No, no, no:

It’s a line from Arrested Development.

I fully support your shame-ridden groping against the cold, hard night after engaging in love, Greek-style. Whatever gets you off, man. Gotta get in where you fit in.

sock puppets have never successfully defended castles. -nm

by Leopold Bloom on Apr 7, 2010 4:18 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hmmm.

Haven’t heard any enthusiasm for RRS yet.

Carlos Silva is latin for "Let the buyer beware".

by ErictheRed on Apr 6, 2010 11:27 PM PDT reply actions  

That's the spirit!

Carlos Silva is latin for "Let the buyer beware".

by ErictheRed on Apr 6, 2010 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

hyphen!

sorta

Carlos Silva is latin for "Let the buyer beware".

by ErictheRed on Apr 7, 2010 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

- !

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Apr 6, 2010 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sure, sport.

Carlos Silva is latin for "Let the buyer beware".

by ErictheRed on Apr 6, 2010 11:35 PM PDT reply actions  

I know you guys are licking your wounds, at least hoping that Snell's got it this year.

I’m sorry, but tonight was not testament to that. Our lineup is pathetic, but you guys already knew that. Suzuki may have hit the only home run you’ll see from us this series.

My question is: was Dallas Braden’s performance as impressive as it seemed? He looked focused and dealing. Your lineup looks…pretty formidable, actually. And Braden really seemed to breeze through it, no offense.

I’m not here to rub it in—that is not what I’m doing here at all—I’m just trying to gain some perspective that’s not completely homer-ish. Plus…I kinda like LL, when, you know, you’re not hating on the A’s.

sock puppets have never successfully defended castles. -nm

by Leopold Bloom on Apr 7, 2010 12:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Dallas Braden definitely had the M's hitters fooled

primarily with pitches down and away. I’d have to check the stats but he got a lot of swinging strikes going down and away to hitters tonight. Didn’t look that lethal but they had no read on him at all (or on the relievers for that matter)

by mwalter on Apr 7, 2010 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's a wily one.

Ol’ Eight Toes.

By the way, I know you guys aren’t in the market to fall in love with A’s players, but if there’s one to fall in love with, it’s Braden.

sock puppets have never successfully defended castles. -nm

by Leopold Bloom on Apr 7, 2010 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm rather fond of Kurt Suzuki, myself.

But Daric Barton is infinitely infuriating. The guy swings at NOTHING.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Apr 7, 2010 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

We call him Staplehead, you know.

sock puppets have never successfully defended castles. -nm

by Leopold Bloom on Apr 7, 2010 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Greetings!

From what I saw, it was a combination of Braden pitching decently and us just having zero patience, which is strange, coming off a night where we took eight walks.

by Jackle Mackle on Apr 7, 2010 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

From all accounts,

it was a miserable night in Oakland Monday night—cold and kind of damp, I’m sure. I know King Felix has better control than that (Sheets, we’ll see)—they both appeared to struggle with command last night. I’m guessing that beyond opening night jitters, weather was a factor.

sock puppets have never successfully defended castles. -nm

by Leopold Bloom on Apr 7, 2010 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tim Tschida (home plate ump) probably had

something to do with the pitchers appearing to be struggling with command. His strike zone was laughably small.

by RunningFool on Apr 7, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he and all of them had an off night last night.

I think we can all agree on that.

sock puppets have never successfully defended castles. -nm

by Leopold Bloom on Apr 7, 2010 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, definitely.

Hopefully we get a Sheets v. Felix matchup later in the year where they’re both on top of their game. And what RunningFool said.

by Jackle Mackle on Apr 7, 2010 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was pretty great

Honestly, that’s not a bad lineup against a lefty. He threw 66% strikes and his changeup especially was incredible. He was driving hitters into 0-2 counts constantly.

by OlSalty on Apr 7, 2010 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Change was unhittable

Granted, he was facing a fairly low-contact lineup outside of Ichiro/Figgins/Loafie, but bleh. A good LH changeup can make a joke out of a lefty-mashing team sometimes.

by Graham MacAree on Apr 7, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

My God, it's taken me over an hour of intense reading to catch up on tonight's comments.

LL posters are gonna start dropping dead from exhaustion soon if things don’t ease up.

by Decatur on Apr 7, 2010 12:29 AM PDT reply actions  

It's like this every year during the first week or so.

Like Robert said earlier, game threads start to hit their stride around Juneish and they start to slow down a little bit towards the end of April.

FUCK ERIC BYRNES FUCK ERIC BYRNES!

by Goose on Apr 7, 2010 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

So I missed the middle part of this game, and judging from the Eric Byrnes comments, it's a good thing.

Also, the gamethread kinda sucked. Be better newbie commenters(except the ones that didn’t suck, good job).

FUCK ERIC BYRNES FUCK ERIC BYRNES!

by Goose on Apr 7, 2010 1:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Braden's changeup is moyer-esque

Didn’t he throw a screwball ala Norm Charleton, i cant imagine that being good for a pitchers arm long term

by MagicMike23 on Apr 7, 2010 9:04 AM PDT reply actions  

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