11-11, Game Thoughts
The Mariners came one better-placed Jose Lopez line drive away from probably sweeping the Royals. The Mariners also came a Robinson Tejeda mishap and a Willie Bloomquist at bat away from probably getting swept by the Royals. Life is what you make of it.
- What do you do when your fastball isn't very good and you have a feel for all your offspeed stuff? You throw a lot of your offspeed stuff. Of Ryan Rowland-Smith's 91 pitches today, only 40 were fastballs, as he was mixing in everything he has short of that cutter he was supposedly working on. And, for the most part, it worked. The final line isn't real sexy, but RRS came mighty close to limiting the Royals to a single run.
He was done in in large part by a pair of 0-2 counts in the bottom of the sixth. Ahead 0-2 on Billy Butler with one on and one out, RRS tried to induce a miss or a jam shot, but his fastball came too far up and in and gave Butler an ugly bruise to go with his ugly face. Later, with the bases loaded and two out, RRS got ahead 0-2 on Jason Kendall, but Kendall took an outside changeup into shallow right for a soft looper that dropped between Ichiro and Chone Figgins. Were it not for a tricky sun (damn you sun!), that ball's caught and the inning is over. Instead, two runs came around to score and two more would score in the next at bat.
What was nice to see from RRS were the nine whiffs (all on offspeed pitches) and the 17 first-pitch strikes. His stuff clearly isn't good enough to keep working from behind, so despite his final ball count, he did a good job of attacking Royal hitters early. Want to see an amazing split?
First Pitch: 12/25 fastballs (48%)
After 1-0: 17/25 fastballs (68%)
After 0-1: 11/41 fastballs (27%)
There's a guy who didn't want to throw many fastballs when he didn't have to. RRS is aware of his strengths and weaknesses, and that was apparent today. This was his best start of the season, and while it wasn't anything great, it is something to build off. - Ichiro's average is up to .330, and it feels like he hasn't even woken up for the season yet. I had to look this up just now. 15 minutes ago, had someone knocked on the door and asked me how I thought Ichiro was doing, I would've said "what?", and then he would've said "how do you think Ichiro is doing?", and I would've said "no I heard you," and then he would've said "so answer the question," and I would've said "well it's just that this is a peculiar circumstance," and then he would've said "it's really quite a simple question," and I would've said "but you get why this is weird, right? I mean I don't even know who you are," and then he would've said "look I'm just looking for a one-word answer," and I would've said "and then you'll leave?", and then he would've said "and then I'll leave," and I would've said "slumping."
- Laying to rest any fears that he might be entering a slump, Casey Kotchman picked up a well-hit single, a well-hit double, and a walk this afternoon. He's up to .264/.333/.514 with a number of scoops and diving stops at first base. He isn't getting himself out, and his only real glaring mistakes so far have been on the basepaths. Big for him to show that he can still do damage when he's hitting the ball close to the ground. I would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that Kotchman isn't set to be a free agent until after next year.
- With the score 6-5 Mariners in the bottom of the ninth, a man in the first row behind home plate was reading a newspaper.
- With a man on and two down in the bottom of the eighth, Jason Kendall slapped a grounder into the hole between short and third base. Jack Wilson ranged over to his right, backhanded the ball, leapt, and threw across his body to get Kendall at first on the fly. You know that classic Derek Jeter play? This was that, with range. It's incredible to me how much agility and arm strength Wilson packs into a body that looks like it was built by sewing together various bits and limbs from a group of dead seven year olds.
- The longest home run of Chone Figgins' career went 397 feet. It's fair to say that his triple off a Gil Meche slider was the hardest he can hit a baseball. Figgins hit a couple balls with authority today, which is nice, because it took him three and a half weeks to prove that he can hit a ball with authority.
- Ex-Mariners today: 1-15 at the plate, five runs in six innings on the mound
Non-ex-Mariners today: 6-17 at the plate, one run in three innings on the mound
I particularly enjoyed the final at bat of the game, in which David Aardsma started Yuniesky Betancourt off with three straight sliders and later finished him off with a fastball at the eyes. Yuni's O-Swing% so far this year is nearly 50%. - During a mound visit in the top of the ninth, Milton Bradley chatted with home plate umpire Bob Davidson. On several occasions, Bradley smiled.
- Jose Lopez pulled off another Adrian Beltre Special on a swinging bunt. Once again, he wasn't quite as smooth and the play didn't seem as graceful, but the result was there, and if Jose Lopez can do everything Adrian Beltre did 10% worse, then that's good news for the Mariners. Remember all the people who used to rip into Lopez for his allegedly poor work ethic? Where are those people now? I have been nothing short of impressed by Lopez's work at third base, and it's for that reason that I'm willing to give him a little bit of a break at the plate for the time being.
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Bradleys smile gives me goosebumps.
And I cant tell if they are the good kind or the bad kind.
Go! Huskies!
A little comparison
Me:
In the 8th inning, Jason Kendall hit a groundball into the hole between SS and 3B. Jack Wilson did his best Derek Jeter impression, only he added actual range to the formula as well.
You:
With a man on and two down in the bottom of the eighth, Jason Kendall slapped a grounder into the hole between short and third base. Jack Wilson ranged over to his right, backhanded the ball, leapt, and threw across his body to get Kendall at first on the fly. You know that classic Derek Jeter play? This was that, with range.
Me:
The most encouraging sign of the day had to be the way Kotchman and Figgins were stinging the baseball. The triple by Figgins was as hard as he can hit a ball, and Kotchman was hitter lasers the entire day.
You:
The longest home run of Chone Figgins’ career went 397 feet. It’s fair to say that his triple off a Gil Meche slider was the hardest he can hit a baseball. Figgins hit a couple balls with authority today, which is nice, because it took him three and a half weeks to prove that he can hit a ball with authority.
and
Laying to rest any fears that he might be entering a slump, Casey Kotchman picked up a well-hit single, a well-hit double, and a walk this afternoon.
Me:
Yuniesky Betancourt ended the game by swinging at a pitch that was nowhere close to the strike zone.
You:
I particularly enjoyed the final at bat of the game, in which David Aardsma started Yuniesky Betancourt off with three straight sliders and later finished him off with a fastball at the eyes. Yuni’s O-Swing% so far this year is nearly 50%.
One of us needs to find a new team to write about.
by davidcameron on Apr 28, 2010 4:48 PM PDT reply actions 16 recs
What were you guys supposed to differ on?
Dave:
Another walk today for Rob Johnson. This deserves its own post, but the drastic change in approach that he’s taken on so far this year is nothing short of shocking.
Jeff:
So Rob Johnson walked again. HEY! WHAT’S YOUR FAVORITE PLANET!?! MINE’S THE SUN! Speaking of space, the Astros suck ass.
by SethGrandpa on Apr 28, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 9 recs
Where did Jeff write that, I can't find it?
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
by beastwarking on Apr 28, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Jeff would know better than to call the sun a planet.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
by JY on Apr 28, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I have never seen that.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
by JY on Apr 28, 2010 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
"One of us needs to find a new team to write about."
Or a different brain to share.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
by JY on Apr 28, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn't they still write about the same things?
by 88fingerslukee on Apr 28, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That assumes that a game, and an organization, always have certain, very specific things worth talking about and everything else isn't.
You can talk about other stuff, but sometimes it requires a niche role.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
by JY on Apr 28, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know if this is a sore subject...
…but with Derek leaving USSM, might it make sense to merge the blogs?
Dave has brought on three regular writers over there.
And USSM now has a formalized partnership, being hosted by Fangraphs, where Dave becomes a full-time editor when he finishes school in the next few months. Both blogs still have a fairly developed viewer base, and USSM still gets a lot more unique hits than LL (even though LL has more comments).
So…it’s kind of up to Dave and the Sexy People here, but I’m guessing no.
Makes sense
I wasn’t recommending a merger, so much as just pondering aloud. Or, rather, in print.
Also, that wouldn't really solve the problem. It might even exacerbate it.
...and now I'm here
Pecking order might be tricky.
It works in funny ways when you have multiple people capable of and wanting to post about the same topic. I might have to fight JH for the Peguero post I know both of us are probably thinking about.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
by JY on Apr 28, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully you guys don't fight like Pegeuro swings.
by abender20 on Apr 28, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
How would that work?
Just kind of charge at each other, swinging arms all windmill-style?
See, that works better when I can use that to describe Sams or Halman, even though the joke itself is just stupid at this point.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
by JY on Apr 28, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I figured you guys would be taking huge cuts at each other and just missing wildly most of the time.
Finally someone would connect and end the other. Then, writing would commence.
Exacerbate makes me think of masturbate.
Fuck you, Griffey.
by Matt Erickson on Apr 28, 2010 6:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
For a long time, I wondered why the two didn't merge, especially since they share readership and events.
I’m sure there’s massive user overlap—commenter “JY” (Jay Yencich) here is the minor leagues contributor at USSM. I have commenting accounts on both sites.
But then, the community here is a lot different than the one there. As much as this is a SABR-friendly blog, it’s very discussion and personality driven. USSM is almost pure analytics. In a Fangraphs podcast about building team-specific blogs, Dave commented on how Jeff is a funny guy and a good writer and knows he’s funny and a good writer, so there’s a lot of personality injected into his work. He then went on to claim that he himself (Dave) wasn’t very funny, and so stuck to his guns.
Plus, could you imagine the amount of content to try to sort through? You’d have, literally, seven writers (+Graham if/when he returns to the fold, and maybe Derek if he decides to make a return with renewed passion), all brilliant.
I think what you’re seeing now is a re-consolidation of the M’s blogosphere. Jay still maintains Mariner Minors, but he’s now writing for USSM, too. JonBBT maintains Pro Ball NW, but is Graham’s replacement Sexy Person here. We essentially have a binary star of USSM/LL with orbiting planets, satellite blogs if you will. It’s great that it’s so interconnected, and yet still reasonably defined.
I'm actually a pretty funny guy when I want to be!
But then again, I think I’ve actually written something on the order of 5 posts.
Not as much the writers; They're great on both sites in all different ways
But more the regular clientele
I get what you're saying there.
There are times when I’ve cracked one of my “jokes” there and people have taken me seriously, which is charming in its own way, but certainly not intended.
For example, during spring training, someone quibbled with my questioning if the team could “live” (specific verb choice there) long-term with Tui at short, should Wilson get injured, and my response was something to effect of “Well, I don’t want to alarm anyone, but since the idea was proposed, Jack Hannahan pulled his groin and Cliff Lee strained his abdominal muscle. At this rate, the entire team may be dead by the end of May.” And someone, I think it was the same person, replied with something about not expecting to see superstition on an analytical blog.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
by JY on Apr 28, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
That must be why I don't fit in here.
Maybe I should try out USSM.
Maybe.
Personally I dislike the frat house reference since the LL people I have met seem to be able to hold their liquor and aren’t all rapey in person.
"aren’t all rapey in person."
You and I both know that’s not true.
...and now I'm here
On behalf of myself and other Greek collegians I must say
that I can’t really refute any of that.
by lemonverbena on Apr 28, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
It sounds to me like you should alter your perception of what goes on in a frat house
Because they tend to be able to hold their liquor and don’t tend to be rapey
Stats are not a euphemism for tits
by Trenchtown on Apr 28, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I agree.
I know where y’all are coming from, but the stereotype doesn’t hold as afton as one would think. I am an admitted “frat boy” and as far as I know I haven’t raped anyone (okay okay, I know I’ve never raped anyone) and can probably hang with the 80-90th percentile in terms of heavy drinking.
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
The first rule of Lookout Landing is...
by appleshampoo on Apr 29, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Look since I started it I will chime in.
It was a JOKE. I think you all need to get over yourselves.
by Sec 108 on Apr 30, 2010 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I started on USSM and migrated here.
And I am a book club person. So…maybe, maybe not.
Man
It hasn’t been this similar in a while. I almost missed it.
by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 28, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
We've done pretty good until today
If you write about belief systems tomorrow, I’m coming after you.
by davidcameron on Apr 28, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Off days are humor days at Lookout Landing
by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 28, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
It's almost like you were watchign the same game
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 29, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Loafie's defense is surprising, yes, but also confusing.
It proves that he’s willing to accept coaching and / or work his ass off on his own to get better. Given that piece of information, it’s hard to rectify his plate approach either getting worse or showing no progress. He clearly isn’t Yuni, so why hasn’t he made progress? I find this endlessly puzzling.
I don't think you can just change a player's approach at the plate
Lopez probably can’t identify pitches that well but he does have above average contact skills. To prevent himself from misidentifying pitches and falling behind in the count he just swings at everything. I’m sure if players could just walk more or make less outs they would if the could but its just not that easy to say to yourself that you should change your approach and have it work out.
by Edgar for Pres on Apr 28, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Rob Johnson has, thus far, swung at 10% fewer pitches this season. It's helping.
Lopez could simply swing less, or work slowly on pitch recognition, or work on not trying to pull fastballs on the outer half, or figure out how to adjust to breaking balls, or any minor combination of these things. Professional athletes work on things to get better.
Taking the first pitch of an at bat worked really wonderfully for him in 2008.
I sometimes feel he should go back to that.
50!
I don't like the idea that a batter should just walk up with the bat on his shoulders and take the first pitch of every at-bat.
I remember when Yuni tried this as some weird substitute for real patience. Not only did he appear pained letting a pitch go by, but if pitchers know you’re doing it then they have no incentive to throw anything but strike one. Handing over a strike is dumb. It would even be nice if Loafie would recognize that he can’t do much with pitches on the outside half and would take some of them instead of just fouling off possible balls.
Luis Castillo disagrees.
But Castillo obviously doesn’t have the same ability with the bat that Lopez has.
I always wondered if that was a coaching directive. Seemed out of character for him to be so disciplined.
And so consistent. Anyway, with Loafie I’ve been dorking around with the pitch f/x blog trying to figure out if he’s sitting on a specific zone for that first pitch. As in they told him to only swing if it’s dead red or it’s his ass, or whatever is the equivalent in Wakamatsu speech.
Pretty sure Wade Boggs never swung at a first pitch.
worked pretty well for him.
by Lucas Cervi on Apr 29, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
For most hitters this would turn out to be a bad strategy
Hitters after a 0-1 do pretty badly (~Jack Wilson level) and most pitchers throw first pitch strikes above 50% of the time. I’m fine with being selective and only hitting it if its a fastball down the middle but not hitting first pitches at all is probably a bad strategy.
by Edgar for Pres on Apr 29, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I am convinced Lopez is capable of a finite amount of effort/concentration
in the past, he has focused on driving the ball while daydreaming on the infield dirt. With the position switch, his limited attention span is captivated by fielding his new position, and at the plate he thinks more about how he would field the grounder he just hit to third than about how to get that grounder past third.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 29, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are there any videos yet available of Lopez' Beltre impression or Wilson's Jeter impression that outclasses the original?
I looked up Pravda and they only have highlights from hitting.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
Anywhere i can see the wilson play?
I checked mlb.com and they didn’t have it, i was hoping i missed a .gif.
Please. It's not on MLB.com and I'd love to see it. Thanks in advance
Gritty... that's the term I think of when I see Jack Wilson play. Gritty
by A Steamy Day in Cleveland on Apr 28, 2010 6:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Really?
Not sure if this is sarcastic Snell love. But, it seems to me that he was behind in the count a lot more and had more base runners against more frequently.
by Snuffleupagus on Apr 28, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
The whole Ichiro paragraph was gold.
Awesome recap, as usual Jeff.
I have a serious urge to walk up to some random house and ask "so how is Ichiro doing?"
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on Apr 28, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
The last sentence on Jack Wilson is pure fucking gold.
by Eyeball Kid on Apr 28, 2010 6:46 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I did the exact same thing
Explaining that you just laughed out loud because of a joke that relies on body parts of dead seven year olds is trickier than anticipated . . .
by Snuffleupagus on Apr 28, 2010 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
That is the best thing about this place.
My Dominican girlfriend isn’t a baseball person by any stretch. On a recent road trip she was half sleeping and I was listening to the LL podcasts. Now she is listening to them with me because she (as a writer) finds them hilarious – and has me sending her some snippets of things like that line about Wilson.
by ExiledToSoCal on Apr 29, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely hilarious.
It took me a few minutes to stop re-reading it.
And as my Caps go down with a whimper
baseball season has finally started for me. Will take a few days for the homicidal rage to pass but I hope to be all-in for Lee on Friday.
I'm with you.
I’m still sitting here in shock. Why can’t any of the teams I root for win something, especially in the years where they completely destroy the league?
I'd like to have a year when we have a team that just barely makes the playoffs and then wins it all.
That would be swell.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
by JY on Apr 28, 2010 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
This team is built to kill in short series.
Here’s hoping the offense eventually comes around enough to give us a fighting chance to do so.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
by JY on Apr 28, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
So true. First thing I thought when we got Cliff Lee
is that this team is built for the playoffs, particularly a short series. It was the regular season that had me wondering.
Yes, something like that.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
by JY on Apr 28, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm stuck at work untill 11p est.
Once I’m out I’m going to be drinking heavily. I’ll be throwing a detective’s funeral ala The Wire in memory of my Caps. Calling in sick tomorrow.
I like that the Angels fan was the first to say that.
For one thing, he’s still under control through the 2011 season, so there is that, but also, Carp may still be around, Poythress may be ready by then, and Raben would be coming soon after, to say nothing of other options available on the market.
Kotch is good for us right now because he’s only 3.5 million, a great glove, and thus far, a solid bat, albeit with the struggles against southpaws. While he is the kind of player one could win with, we should also consider upgrades as well, because we could afford it. Also, it’s just one month, seriously.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
by JY on Apr 28, 2010 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
The last sentence hit the nail on the head.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on Apr 28, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Giving players extensions before their contract year when they're not Felix level amazing is just dumb.
Exhibit A: Ryan Howard.
Well, those kind of scenarios are different.
The Rays were trying to keep his arbitration numbers under control. Going to arbitration is like going into a contract year for four straight years.
Anywhere I can see the Jack Wilson play?
The mlb.com highlights from this game don’t seem to have it.
This is the first I've seen of this play
And no, Jack Wilson does not look like someone who would be capable of this. And yet he is.
I'm guessing Tui doesn't make that play
Those hamstrings better last.
In my mind, as I watch this throw,
I hear the cartoon sound effect that often accompanied Wile E. Coyote falling off a cliff, the high whistling dropping off and then an explosion as the ball hits Kotchman’s glove.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
by JY on Apr 28, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ha, just made #1 on BBTN webgems
Not that it really matters, but still…
by Karma Police on Apr 28, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
For those who have .gif-ing capabilities (or just want to see it and have FSN)
the game replay is now at the top of the 8th, and the Wilson play ends the bottom of the 8th (as I understand it)
"With the score 6-5 Mariners in the bottom of the ninth, a man in the first row behind home plate was reading a newspaper."
I saw that too and couldn’t believe my eyes. Almost as baffling as that couple with the Richie Sexson jerseys.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
Wait, Richie Sexson doesn't play for the Mariners?
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
There are still stacks of Sexson jerseys on the clearance rack at the Westlake store
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
The first rule of Lookout Landing is...
by appleshampoo on Apr 29, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
They still have Putz and Betancourt ones at the Safeco Store.
I want burn them every time I see them.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Apr 29, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
How cheap are these?
Cheap enough to tie dye in tribute to the funk blast? (God, I’m thinking of tie dying stuff. I’ve been in Berkeley too long.)
by Edgar for Pres on Apr 29, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I got a white authentic Beltre for right around $100 at the Safeco team store
I’m guessing most of the departed players are in that similar price range. Cheaper for replicas, of course.
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
The first rule of Lookout Landing is...
by appleshampoo on Apr 30, 2010 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh and if you do tie dye one of them
pictures will be required. This is an awesome idea and now I want to do it! (I love bright colors, and retro stuff.)
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
The first rule of Lookout Landing is...
by appleshampoo on Apr 30, 2010 2:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think I'd drop $100 on it but you have my permission to take the idea and run with it
I don’t know if I would have enough opportunities down here to wear something like that. I’m not really a tie dye sort of guy. It would be cool to see. If you do it, pictures are definitely required. It would make a sweet Halloween costume.
by Edgar for Pres on Apr 30, 2010 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was at the Team Store in Southcenter mall and saw a whole bunch there too.
Along with a lot of Kenji Johjima and Russell Branyan.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 29, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions

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