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10-11, Game Thoughts

See, that's exactly what I was saying about the whole unpredictability thing last night. Kyle Davies/Felix Hernandez, and Zack Greinke/Ian Snell. Two obvious mismatches. If things go as expected, the M's and Royals split. Things didn't at all go as expected, but the M's and Royals still split. They just did things backwards. That's not how you draw it up, but isn't it better this way? Giving the wins to Felix and Greinke is boring. Giving the wins to Davies and Kelley is astonishing. Yeah, I know, we all like when Felix gets wins because Felix likes when Felix gets wins, but at the end of the day, the fulfillment of expectations just doesn't pack the same punch as a Jose Lopez infield double. 

Nobody likes to be corrected or made to feel stupid in person, but when it comes to sports, I take pleasure in being reminded of how little I actually know. These last two games have done that in spades.

Only a handful of notes tonight, as tomorrow's an early game and I'd also like to sleep.

  • I'm paraphrasing here, but in a clip they played during the postgame show, Ian Snell said something along the lines of "I didn't care where my pitches were going, I just threw them." There are a lot of people out there who consider pitching to be an art, and they just got slapped in the face. Snell's approach was basically the approach you use in a video game when your starter is tired: choose a pitch and throw it without aiming, because it could end up anywhere anyway.

    Indeed, there was a short list of things Ian Snell could've done tonight to keep his place in the rotation, but "pitch like Ian Snell" wasn't one of them. He was wild, inefficient, and had just enough stuff to keep from getting blasted. He fell behind 18 of the 27 batters he faced, and 13 of the first 15. Everybody always talks about the quality of Ian Snell's stuff, but it isn't good enough for him to consistently work his way out of hitter's counts. He needs to get ahead, and that continues to be a major stumbling block.

    Snell did say that his slider felt the best it's felt in years, which is certainly encouraging. He used it to help escape a handful of jams. However, we're still talking about a guy who's pitched himself out of the rotation, and we've gotten here because he simply hasn't made enough progress. Now we have to hope that his fastball and slider can play up in relief.

    Credit to Ian: he kept the score a lot closer than it could've been. Those james he faced, though - by and large, those jams were of his own making. He can be a difficult pitcher to watch and he was again today, quality start or no quality start.

  • On the plus side, for all the crap he's already gone through, Snell's swinging strike rate stands at 9.0% through four starts. A year ago, he clocked in at 6.7% as a Mariner. Nice to see that those might be coming back.

  • The Mariners' big eighth inning rally:

    Bunt single
    Walk
    Groundball single
    Soft groundball double
    Walk
    Walk

    Our biggest hit of the game was a Jose Lopez tapper back to the mound that Robinson Tejeda inadvertently deflected just beyond Alberto Callaspo and into the outfield. I mentioned just yesterday how hesitant I am to use the word "embarrassing," but it's embarrassing that we managed to score three runs and win the game with that series of events. That was classic Angel baseball. It works, but it sure makes you feel dirty.

    This is the third late-inning lead the Royal bullpen has blown for Greinke, by the way, who stands at 0-2 despite a 2.56 ERA. He's under contract through 2012. Although I do have to wonder how much Greinke actually cares. If this were Felix, we know that he'd be pissed off. Greinke seems like the sort to zone out and take everything in stride after leaving the game. But I have no basis for this.

    The non-Joakim Soria part of the Royal bullpen - that is, the part of the bullpen you'll see any time it isn't a textbook save situation - has combined for 39 strikeouts and 42 walks.

  • Milton Bradley pulled off the fake-toss-keep-the-ball maneuver at the end of the eighth inning. A lot of people would see this as just the latest example of Bradley acting classless, but then, consider the situation. Fans in the seats near Bradley are on his ass, all the time, in every game. They give him a lot of shit, and sometimes he'll give them shit back. Can they really expect him to then give them a baseball as he leaves? What have they done to deserve it? Obviously not every single person sitting nearby is in on the heckling, but it isn't reasonable to want Bradley to walk over and, say, personally hand the ball to a little kid.

    It's all fun. Milton Bradley is one of the only players in baseball who seems to understand that his purpose is to entertain. He's embraced who he is, or at least who people think he is.

    Bradley had another nice moment as he arrived at the dugout. He saw a Mariners fan a few rows back and tried to toss him the ball he'd kept from the outfield. A Royals fan, however, jumped in for an interception. He and Bradley exchanged a few words before Bradley went into the dugout, got a new baseball, and returned to the step so he could try again. This second attempt was successful. I like to think that whatever Bradley said served as a powerful deterrent to further intervention.

    Anyway, it's cool to see how aware Bradley is of the people around him. One could easily argue that he might be a little too aware at times, but baseball doesn't have enough of that player-fan interaction.

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  • Adam Moore staged a terrific nine-pitch at bat against Greinke in the top of the seventh. Moore wound up flying out, but he got ahead, worked the count full, and fouled off three very good inside fastballs before driving knee-high mid-90s heat the other way. Despite the poor outcome, doing that against a Cy Young winner is a confidence builder for a kid who has four hits in four games after managing just one through his first seven.

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Nobody cares about my virtual baseball team, but this has to go here:

I’m playing MLB The Show, and I just caught a fly ball with Milton Bradley for the third out in the inning. He turned around to face the Oakland crowd and waved in a taunting manner. Like three minutes after this was posted.

by Teej on Apr 27, 2010 11:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Same here. I had to rewind and watch it again.

I love that after Brad Adams thanks him for his time he stays there until Brad’s done talking to the camera, instead of taking off.

by royalcurve on Apr 27, 2010 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I loved how he kept waving, smiling and winking at the people cheering/giving him shit/whatever off camera

And his interviews are always so lovably awkward. I’m glad we have another whole year to enjoy this.

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on Apr 27, 2010 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Awwwwww, can we keep him?

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/

by JY on Apr 28, 2010 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, they were canned answers, but they didn't seem to align with the questions

That sounds bad, but I thought it was awesome.
Talking about how good the fans were, etc.

(The thing about all the MB games was pretty weird/cool).

by marc w on Apr 28, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't hear the Snell interview, but is it possible that

he meant he wasn’t over thinking the pitch, just seeing the glove and throwing it there, and by thinking less actually being more accurate?

by $cHu on Apr 27, 2010 11:50 PM PDT reply actions  

No idea, I was only half paying attention

The real important point here, though, is that there wouldn’t really be any point to Snell aiming his pitches in the first place.

by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 27, 2010 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I brought it up somewhere in the game thread but it seemed like he might have had a tad more velocity today

If he can have his fastball sit at around 96 or 97 in relief with a more powerful slider he might make a pretty decent RP who will sucker me into thinking that he should be a SP.

by Edgar for Pres on Apr 28, 2010 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well done!

Much appreciated!

“Well, you know, I know they know my name”

Amazing. Simply amazing.

Milton Bradley apologist

by sanford_and_son on Apr 28, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow. Milton sounds like a really cool guy.

He’s got a bit of an attitude, is very competitive, and is genuinely witty. He hasn’t produced much yet, but I really like seeing him in a Mariners uniform. I’m also a cards fan, so it’s not like I need another reason to dislike cubs fans, but how can an entire fanbase hate on someone so thoroughly and unfairly?

by Sukafish on Apr 28, 2010 1:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

On this note

What’s the best way (is there a way?) to get post-game/pre-game stuff if you can’t get the game on tv. It’s one of my huge complaints about mlb.tv. You can get a little bit of Mariners post-game on the radio, but then it cuts off. But the 710 streaming website still isn’t streaming the local Mariners radio because of the mlb blackout for streaming games.

It’s all pretty obnoxious. Any advice?

by Snuffleupagus on Apr 28, 2010 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've tried everything

Gone on every website I can find trying to find SOME type of postgame interviews, but to no avail. Sometimes you get lucky and MLB.TV will stream until the first commercial break after the game ends. I got lucky last night that they showed Milton’s interview, and then it cut off right when FSNW went to commercial

by E-Lizz on Apr 28, 2010 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I want more game thoughts

That bottom of the ninth was intense, I’m glad Ardsma closed this game smoothly

Is the 6th starter going to be moved to relief? Which reliever is gonna drop down?

by fortyniners on Apr 28, 2010 12:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Man Chicago fans must hate their lives.

Cause Milton seems damn cool to me. I was at work but caught the fake ball toss. I busted up laughing. I think/hope that he realize Seattle has great fans and we appreciate his quirks. I love him and he hasn’t even started hitting yet.

by ABQmsFan on Apr 28, 2010 12:47 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

Wholeheartedly. I’ll probably get a Bradley uni before I get a Lee uni.

by Sukafish on Apr 28, 2010 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

No surprise, but I gotta give Guti the gold star for this game

We basically won because Greinke pitched 7 innings instead of 8 and we got to their crappy pen. Guti took 30+ pitches from Greinke, and had he even just taking 15, we’re probably looking at Greinke in the 8th and Soria in the 9th.

by doublemazaa on Apr 28, 2010 12:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Guti gets the gold star for the whole fucking season so far.

But yes, he was a huge part of getting to the pen. Seeing 33 pitches is never a bad thing.

Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.

by the other side on Apr 28, 2010 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, Death to Pitched Things has almost single-handedly kept our team alive

Hope he gets to the All-Star game this year. It’ll be well deserved.

by Mekias on Apr 28, 2010 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm waiting for a team to do a reverse shift against Guti

where the 2B is basically behind the bag and the SS is shifted to 3B closing up the hole that has fueled Guti’s BABIP this year.

by Edgar for Pres on Apr 28, 2010 1:30 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm not used to having a universally-hated player on my team.

After years and years of family friendly players and good character/no-hit types, it’s a weird adjustment.

Every time we’re on the road and Milton Bradley is up, and the boos start, I always think, “They’re booing their own pitcher? That’s weird,” before I remind myself that we have the Ron Artest of baseball now.

And you know what? I kind of love having the Ron Artest of baseball.

by McExpos on Apr 28, 2010 2:04 AM PDT reply actions  

The Milton chants were particularly hillarious.

I was trying to warn people in my section that Greinke may get confused and think he was being booed.

by hcoguy on Apr 28, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

FSN Final Score just spent the whole game review talking about Bradley's "antics."

The whole time the anchor mocked Bradley and basically made everything he did tonight look vicious. Seriously, the media needs to report on the game, not one player. Further proof that Bradley is a monster created by the media, and not really as bad as they make him out to be. I wouldn’t care except people who don’t read blogs such as this watch that and hate him for no good reason. I love players like him and he’s quickly becoming one of my favorite players.

by Hopefulmsfan on Apr 28, 2010 2:23 AM PDT reply actions  

At least Baker got it right

His report on Bradley’s antics makes it sound like Bradley was mocking his own image. I love it when the games are on early enough for me to see them live, especially when we win.

by New England Fan on Apr 28, 2010 3:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Whoo sweet unexpected victory!

Also…

Snell did “say” that his slider felt the best it’s felt in years. Not “says.” Or take out the “did.” Either way.

by SethGrandpa on Apr 28, 2010 3:57 AM PDT reply actions  

I love Bradley

Baseball is often too anti-septic. There aren’t very many players known for having interesting personalities, or, really, any personality at all. Bradley does, and I’m glad to have him on my team. Between him and Ichiro, we’ve got two of the top five most colorful players in all of MLB.

by Uncle Ted on Apr 28, 2010 5:05 AM PDT reply actions  

I watched the remainder of the game on my iPod touch

And MLB.tv actually showed the postgame interview!! It had to be one of the happiest moments of my life. When I have kids, I want Milton to be their role model.

by E-Lizz on Apr 28, 2010 7:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Pitching is an art

It’s just that Snell’s performance is what one would call “outsider art”.

by ThomasG on Apr 28, 2010 8:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Someone will buy it.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/

by JY on Apr 28, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dadaism?

Charter Member: Dave Sims Sweet Hat Club

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Apr 28, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not quite.

I’m trying to come up with a good Dadaist ballplayer and for some reason I’m thinking Milton Bradley on the M’s.

That might not be the best comp actually…

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/

by JY on Apr 28, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dadaist ball players:

Depending on your view of the quality/artistic value of Dadaism, you could go with Manny Ramirez or Jamie Burke-as-pitcher.

For a nearly contemporary baseball analogue, I think you have to go with Rube Waddell.

by marc w on Apr 28, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Manny is good.

I was initially thinking Pierzynski, but then realized it was pretty inappropriate.

You basically need someone that generates strong feelings by acting in a strange way, is aware of it, and manages to reinforce it either through their own determination or general obliviousness to the matter. Manny is a great fit in that regard.

Vladimir Guerrero in his heyday would not have been because I never really thought of him as having a characteristic personality, he was always sort of laid back and kept to his own, a leader in performance more than anything else.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/

by JY on Apr 28, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Watching Ichiro is wonderful.

But watching Ichiro on the other team’s TV feed is wonderful.

I find I often choose to watch M’s games on MLB.tv using the other team’s feed (because I’ve heard Niehaus and Sims talk about Ichiro before), and the KC announcers’ reaction to Ichiro’s hit was pretty entertaining. They kept replaying it over and over so they could discuss whether they were allowed to add the swing to a list they’ve been keeping of swings at grossly unhittable pitches.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Apr 28, 2010 10:04 AM PDT reply actions  

You guys don't think Milton's fake toss was

juvenile/rude/graceless? Now we don’t expect Milton to act like a mature person, but you can still want him to. Maybe taunting fans with a fake toss is more common than I know, but I can’t remember seeing it happen before.

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Apr 28, 2010 11:04 AM PDT reply actions  

and who knows what the fans were actually saying, but my guess is

taunting at the K is small beans compared to what you hear in NY/Boston. But part of my reaction looks like it may be based on not knowing this is a more common ploy.

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Apr 28, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just so I get this straight,

the fans can taunt Milton all they want but when he decides to taunt them back, in a mild way, he’s showing a lack of maturity and class?

by ToddK on Apr 28, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hello and welcome!

Thanks for the comment, and it’s awesome that you showed up to respond to this.

by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 29, 2010 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the story!

It’s amazing how polarizing Milton is. I love him. I’m not sure whether that’s because everyone hates him, or because he’s just a really cool and interesting character. He’s only been around for a little while, and maybe I’ll change my story, but I do feel there is a sweetness to him. I think he just falls in the I-don’t-understand-you-so-I-hate-you" category. Which sucks.

Gaw. What a weird and cool guy.

by Pete_ on Apr 29, 2010 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

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