10-11, Game Thoughts
See, that's exactly what I was saying about the whole unpredictability thing last night. Kyle Davies/Felix Hernandez, and Zack Greinke/Ian Snell. Two obvious mismatches. If things go as expected, the M's and Royals split. Things didn't at all go as expected, but the M's and Royals still split. They just did things backwards. That's not how you draw it up, but isn't it better this way? Giving the wins to Felix and Greinke is boring. Giving the wins to Davies and Kelley is astonishing. Yeah, I know, we all like when Felix gets wins because Felix likes when Felix gets wins, but at the end of the day, the fulfillment of expectations just doesn't pack the same punch as a Jose Lopez infield double.
Nobody likes to be corrected or made to feel stupid in person, but when it comes to sports, I take pleasure in being reminded of how little I actually know. These last two games have done that in spades.
Only a handful of notes tonight, as tomorrow's an early game and I'd also like to sleep.
- I'm paraphrasing here, but in a clip they played during the postgame show, Ian Snell said something along the lines of "I didn't care where my pitches were going, I just threw them." There are a lot of people out there who consider pitching to be an art, and they just got slapped in the face. Snell's approach was basically the approach you use in a video game when your starter is tired: choose a pitch and throw it without aiming, because it could end up anywhere anyway.
Indeed, there was a short list of things Ian Snell could've done tonight to keep his place in the rotation, but "pitch like Ian Snell" wasn't one of them. He was wild, inefficient, and had just enough stuff to keep from getting blasted. He fell behind 18 of the 27 batters he faced, and 13 of the first 15. Everybody always talks about the quality of Ian Snell's stuff, but it isn't good enough for him to consistently work his way out of hitter's counts. He needs to get ahead, and that continues to be a major stumbling block.
Snell did say that his slider felt the best it's felt in years, which is certainly encouraging. He used it to help escape a handful of jams. However, we're still talking about a guy who's pitched himself out of the rotation, and we've gotten here because he simply hasn't made enough progress. Now we have to hope that his fastball and slider can play up in relief.
Credit to Ian: he kept the score a lot closer than it could've been. Those james he faced, though - by and large, those jams were of his own making. He can be a difficult pitcher to watch and he was again today, quality start or no quality start. - On the plus side, for all the crap he's already gone through, Snell's swinging strike rate stands at 9.0% through four starts. A year ago, he clocked in at 6.7% as a Mariner. Nice to see that those might be coming back.
- The Mariners' big eighth inning rally:
Bunt single
Walk
Groundball single
Soft groundball double
Walk
Walk
Our biggest hit of the game was a Jose Lopez tapper back to the mound that Robinson Tejeda inadvertently deflected just beyond Alberto Callaspo and into the outfield. I mentioned just yesterday how hesitant I am to use the word "embarrassing," but it's embarrassing that we managed to score three runs and win the game with that series of events. That was classic Angel baseball. It works, but it sure makes you feel dirty.
This is the third late-inning lead the Royal bullpen has blown for Greinke, by the way, who stands at 0-2 despite a 2.56 ERA. He's under contract through 2012. Although I do have to wonder how much Greinke actually cares. If this were Felix, we know that he'd be pissed off. Greinke seems like the sort to zone out and take everything in stride after leaving the game. But I have no basis for this.
The non-Joakim Soria part of the Royal bullpen - that is, the part of the bullpen you'll see any time it isn't a textbook save situation - has combined for 39 strikeouts and 42 walks. - Milton Bradley pulled off the fake-toss-keep-the-ball maneuver at the end of the eighth inning. A lot of people would see this as just the latest example of Bradley acting classless, but then, consider the situation. Fans in the seats near Bradley are on his ass, all the time, in every game. They give him a lot of shit, and sometimes he'll give them shit back. Can they really expect him to then give them a baseball as he leaves? What have they done to deserve it? Obviously not every single person sitting nearby is in on the heckling, but it isn't reasonable to want Bradley to walk over and, say, personally hand the ball to a little kid.
It's all fun. Milton Bradley is one of the only players in baseball who seems to understand that his purpose is to entertain. He's embraced who he is, or at least who people think he is.
Bradley had another nice moment as he arrived at the dugout. He saw a Mariners fan a few rows back and tried to toss him the ball he'd kept from the outfield. A Royals fan, however, jumped in for an interception. He and Bradley exchanged a few words before Bradley went into the dugout, got a new baseball, and returned to the step so he could try again. This second attempt was successful. I like to think that whatever Bradley said served as a powerful deterrent to further intervention.
Anyway, it's cool to see how aware Bradley is of the people around him. One could easily argue that he might be a little too aware at times, but baseball doesn't have enough of that player-fan interaction. -
- Adam Moore staged a terrific nine-pitch at bat against Greinke in the top of the seventh. Moore wound up flying out, but he got ahead, worked the count full, and fouled off three very good inside fastballs before driving knee-high mid-90s heat the other way. Despite the poor outcome, doing that against a Cy Young winner is a confidence builder for a kid who has four hits in four games after managing just one through his first seven.
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Nobody cares about my virtual baseball team, but this has to go here:
I’m playing MLB The Show, and I just caught a fly ball with Milton Bradley for the third out in the inning. He turned around to face the Oakland crowd and waved in a taunting manner. Like three minutes after this was posted.
Same here. I had to rewind and watch it again.
I love that after Brad Adams thanks him for his time he stays there until Brad’s done talking to the camera, instead of taking off.
I loved how he kept waving, smiling and winking at the people cheering/giving him shit/whatever off camera
And his interviews are always so lovably awkward. I’m glad we have another whole year to enjoy this.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Apr 27, 2010 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think I'm just gonna sit here for the next 4 hours looking at these.
by RunningFool on Apr 27, 2010 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Awwwwww, can we keep him?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
by JY on Apr 28, 2010 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Batting fifth today!
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
by JY on Apr 28, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Wak's adjustment pace could be best classified as a form of erosion.
By June we’ll have Lopez in the 6 hole and Kotchman up to 5.
No, they were canned answers, but they didn't seem to align with the questions
That sounds bad, but I thought it was awesome.
Talking about how good the fans were, etc.
(The thing about all the MB games was pretty weird/cool).
I didn't hear the Snell interview, but is it possible that
he meant he wasn’t over thinking the pitch, just seeing the glove and throwing it there, and by thinking less actually being more accurate?
No idea, I was only half paying attention
The real important point here, though, is that there wouldn’t really be any point to Snell aiming his pitches in the first place.
by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 27, 2010 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I brought it up somewhere in the game thread but it seemed like he might have had a tad more velocity today
If he can have his fastball sit at around 96 or 97 in relief with a more powerful slider he might make a pretty decent RP who will sucker me into thinking that he should be a SP.
by Edgar for Pres on Apr 28, 2010 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I haven't watched the replays. But were those triples by the Royals partly due to Ichiro taking bad routes?
From watching him play, he doesn’t seem very good at cutting down line drives to his right.
Callaspo's was because Ichiro was playing him really shallow, I don't think his route would have mattered.
Maier’s if I remember correctly was just well placed in the corner.
by drblacknwhite on Apr 28, 2010 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
On Callaspo's, he was playing unusually shallow
On Maier’s, it was a ball off the base of the wall right by the foul line. Nothing Ichiro could do.
by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 28, 2010 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I know it's a lot to ask, but if anyone is able to post the actual interview for all of us who missed it, I would be eternally grateful.
Unless it infringes on some stupid law or something.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Apr 28, 2010 12:04 AM PDT reply actions
I know it doesn't do it justice, but here's the transcript
Dave Sims: Let’s go downstairs to Brad Allen with Milton Bradley.
Brad Allen: Alright Dave, thanks a lot you know I think we were just talking about it Milton, the for you guys winning on the road, breaking the streak, was just having a little fun. Looked like you were having some fun out there, with the fans.
Milton: Yeah, I mean, they were saying Chutes and Ladders and Candyland, all games I love, that I play with my son. I can relate to that so they’re making me feel very comfortable.
Brad: Was it fun out there, do you enjoy the reaction given back with the fans does it seem good fun like it was tonight?
Milton: I mean, KC has been great, I was actually a Kansas City Royal for about an hour a couple years ago, but it didn’t work out. But I mean KC is great, the fans are great, they really got us involved in the game, and actually woke us up and we got a win out of it.
Brad: You get Zach Grinke out of game in the 8th inning, 2 to 2 tie game, bases loaded, you’re at bat, how hard is it to stay patient when you got the bases loaded in that situation? You want to do so much damage, I know that, but you were very patient, you got the walk, you guys got the win.
Milton: Well, you know, I know they know my name, when I’m standing up there and regardless what it says up there on the board, I’m a threat. With the bases loaded right there, I figured you’d rather have it 3-2 than 6-2.
Brad: 3-2 is good enough, a win is a win Milton, we appreciate the time. (The fans were jeering) You better get in before these guys say anything more to you.
Milton: These guys love me. (Milton blows kisses)

Brad: They do love you! They remember when you were a royal for about an hour. (Milton gives a big grin)

by doublemazaa on Apr 28, 2010 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions 30 recs
Well done!
Much appreciated!
“Well, you know, I know they know my name”
Amazing. Simply amazing.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Apr 28, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow. Milton sounds like a really cool guy.
He’s got a bit of an attitude, is very competitive, and is genuinely witty. He hasn’t produced much yet, but I really like seeing him in a Mariners uniform. I’m also a cards fan, so it’s not like I need another reason to dislike cubs fans, but how can an entire fanbase hate on someone so thoroughly and unfairly?
MLB would probably pull it down ASAP.
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
The first rule of Lookout Landing is...
by appleshampoo on Apr 29, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I have never loved a Mariner within a month of his debut as much as I do Milton
God bless his awesomeness.
Felix was 19 and I was still too mortified of what could happen down the road to enjoy him during those first starts
Blame what you will, but I was too used to bad things happening from the (then) recent likes of Anderson/Nageotte/Blackley.
On this note
What’s the best way (is there a way?) to get post-game/pre-game stuff if you can’t get the game on tv. It’s one of my huge complaints about mlb.tv. You can get a little bit of Mariners post-game on the radio, but then it cuts off. But the 710 streaming website still isn’t streaming the local Mariners radio because of the mlb blackout for streaming games.
It’s all pretty obnoxious. Any advice?
by Snuffleupagus on Apr 28, 2010 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I've tried everything
Gone on every website I can find trying to find SOME type of postgame interviews, but to no avail. Sometimes you get lucky and MLB.TV will stream until the first commercial break after the game ends. I got lucky last night that they showed Milton’s interview, and then it cut off right when FSNW went to commercial
I want more game thoughts
That bottom of the ninth was intense, I’m glad Ardsma closed this game smoothly
Is the 6th starter going to be moved to relief? Which reliever is gonna drop down?
Yes, sounds like Snells in the pen, Colombe headed to Tacoma.
But that’s just the word on the street I believe.
by doublemazaa on Apr 28, 2010 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Terribly sorry the writers on this site tried to get some sleep before an 11am game the next day
instead of giving you more free content
by Matthew on Apr 28, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Forgive him for his lack of consideration. It isn't his fault.
He’s a 49ers fan.
Honestly, I think we all deserve something back.
The content lately has been way too good for a free sports blog. Come on guys whats going on?
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on Apr 28, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Josh Rupe beat us?
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FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Apr 28, 2010 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Coolest. Baseball Player. Ever.
FREE ADAM MOORE
Man Chicago fans must hate their lives.
Cause Milton seems damn cool to me. I was at work but caught the fake ball toss. I busted up laughing. I think/hope that he realize Seattle has great fans and we appreciate his quirks. I love him and he hasn’t even started hitting yet.
by ABQmsFan on Apr 28, 2010 12:47 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
No surprise, but I gotta give Guti the gold star for this game
We basically won because Greinke pitched 7 innings instead of 8 and we got to their crappy pen. Guti took 30+ pitches from Greinke, and had he even just taking 15, we’re probably looking at Greinke in the 8th and Soria in the 9th.
Guti gets the gold star for the whole fucking season so far.
But yes, he was a huge part of getting to the pen. Seeing 33 pitches is never a bad thing.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on Apr 28, 2010 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, Death to Pitched Things has almost single-handedly kept our team alive
Hope he gets to the All-Star game this year. It’ll be well deserved.
I'm waiting for a team to do a reverse shift against Guti
where the 2B is basically behind the bag and the SS is shifted to 3B closing up the hole that has fueled Guti’s BABIP this year.
I'm not used to having a universally-hated player on my team.
After years and years of family friendly players and good character/no-hit types, it’s a weird adjustment.
Every time we’re on the road and Milton Bradley is up, and the boos start, I always think, “They’re booing their own pitcher? That’s weird,” before I remind myself that we have the Ron Artest of baseball now.
And you know what? I kind of love having the Ron Artest of baseball.
The Milton chants were particularly hillarious.
I was trying to warn people in my section that Greinke may get confused and think he was being booed.
FSN Final Score just spent the whole game review talking about Bradley's "antics."
The whole time the anchor mocked Bradley and basically made everything he did tonight look vicious. Seriously, the media needs to report on the game, not one player. Further proof that Bradley is a monster created by the media, and not really as bad as they make him out to be. I wouldn’t care except people who don’t read blogs such as this watch that and hate him for no good reason. I love players like him and he’s quickly becoming one of my favorite players.
At least Baker got it right
His report on Bradley’s antics makes it sound like Bradley was mocking his own image. I love it when the games are on early enough for me to see them live, especially when we win.
by New England Fan on Apr 28, 2010 3:02 AM PDT reply actions
Whoo sweet unexpected victory!
Also…
Snell did “say” that his slider felt the best it’s felt in years. Not “says.” Or take out the “did.” Either way.
I love Bradley
Baseball is often too anti-septic. There aren’t very many players known for having interesting personalities, or, really, any personality at all. Bradley does, and I’m glad to have him on my team. Between him and Ichiro, we’ve got two of the top five most colorful players in all of MLB.
I watched the remainder of the game on my iPod touch
And MLB.tv actually showed the postgame interview!! It had to be one of the happiest moments of my life. When I have kids, I want Milton to be their role model.
He does take care of his mama
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 28, 2010 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Someone will buy it.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
by JY on Apr 28, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Degenerate art?
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 28, 2010 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Sounds uplifting
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 28, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Dadaism?
Charter Member: Dave Sims Sweet Hat Club
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Apr 28, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Not quite.
I’m trying to come up with a good Dadaist ballplayer and for some reason I’m thinking Milton Bradley on the M’s.
That might not be the best comp actually…
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
Dadaist ball players:
Depending on your view of the quality/artistic value of Dadaism, you could go with Manny Ramirez or Jamie Burke-as-pitcher.
For a nearly contemporary baseball analogue, I think you have to go with Rube Waddell.
Manny is good.
I was initially thinking Pierzynski, but then realized it was pretty inappropriate.
You basically need someone that generates strong feelings by acting in a strange way, is aware of it, and manages to reinforce it either through their own determination or general obliviousness to the matter. Manny is a great fit in that regard.
Vladimir Guerrero in his heyday would not have been because I never really thought of him as having a characteristic personality, he was always sort of laid back and kept to his own, a leader in performance more than anything else.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
Okay so I just looked up Rube Waddell and holy shit this guy could be my hero.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
Watching Ichiro is wonderful.
But watching Ichiro on the other team’s TV feed is wonderful.
I find I often choose to watch M’s games on MLB.tv using the other team’s feed (because I’ve heard Niehaus and Sims talk about Ichiro before), and the KC announcers’ reaction to Ichiro’s hit was pretty entertaining. They kept replaying it over and over so they could discuss whether they were allowed to add the swing to a list they’ve been keeping of swings at grossly unhittable pitches.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
I'm still really excited that Jose Lopez got biggest contribution for grounding into a double play
seems like karmic justice for getting biggest suckfest the night before for hitting a US Cellular grand slam
You guys don't think Milton's fake toss was
juvenile/rude/graceless? Now we don’t expect Milton to act like a mature person, but you can still want him to. Maybe taunting fans with a fake toss is more common than I know, but I can’t remember seeing it happen before.
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Apr 28, 2010 11:04 AM PDT reply actions
and who knows what the fans were actually saying, but my guess is
taunting at the K is small beans compared to what you hear in NY/Boston. But part of my reaction looks like it may be based on not knowing this is a more common ploy.
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Apr 28, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Just so I get this straight,
the fans can taunt Milton all they want but when he decides to taunt them back, in a mild way, he’s showing a lack of maturity and class?
Oakland fans threw free batteries at Ichiro.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
Hello LL!
It usually takes a certain situation before I create accounts on message boards etc. and this post was the one. I’m sure this will fall on deaf ears (damn wait to become active) but figured it was worth a shot.
Turns out I was the lucky Mariner fan that Milton threw the ball to. Besides the fact that it was incredibly awesome, the whole situation, and all the post discussion, I figured I could add an interesting perspectives.
At some point early in the game, a Royals fan leaned in over the press section of the dugout and started yelling at MB into the dugout. It seemed the message was more directed towards everyone else but attempting to entice MB. I couldn’t hear much of the altercation but the message was Clubhouse Cancer. I was surprised it was allowed to continue figuring a fan just can’t lean in like that. Add in the constant nagging I really started to feel bad for him. Like Jeff said, to get this day in and day out on the road has to be rough, and this was only KC. But this particular fan seemed to set off the Great Milton that we witnessed.
We all know the countless interactions throughout the rest of the game. Tip of the cap after breaking up a double play, firing in throws after putouts, and obviously the fake ball toss. His emotion seemed to lift the team up throughout the game, inspiring an emotion that seemed to be lacking. A Royals fan I was with declared himself a Milton fan after the game.
I was glad the team got the win and that we ruined their ZG Day! Looking for a nice little case to hold the ball, I know it is only a ball, but the events surrounding this one made it pretty special.
by Boots. on Apr 29, 2010 10:30 PM PDT reply actions 22 recs
Hello and welcome!
Thanks for the comment, and it’s awesome that you showed up to respond to this.
by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 29, 2010 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for the story!
It’s amazing how polarizing Milton is. I love him. I’m not sure whether that’s because everyone hates him, or because he’s just a really cool and interesting character. He’s only been around for a little while, and maybe I’ll change my story, but I do feel there is a sweetness to him. I think he just falls in the I-don’t-understand-you-so-I-hate-you" category. Which sucks.
Gaw. What a weird and cool guy.
Hey, great of you to drop in, and good on you for showing Milton a little support on the road
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 30, 2010 5:51 AM PDT up reply actions
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