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8-7, Game Thoughts

I feel sort of bad after games like this. I feel bad, because we used to be that team. Quite recently, as a matter of fact. We used to be the laughingstock, and as such my internal empathy switch gets activated. I don't want to be too mean, you know? They're 2-13. They're 8.5 back in the division, and their next 17 games are against the Yankees, the Red Sox, the Twins, and Felix Hernandez. Things are about as bad as they can get in Baltimore. What would my ripping into them accomplish?

So I sit down and, calling upon my own experience, try to think about what I'd want to hear if I were an Orioles fan. It's not as hopeless as it seems. Wieters, Jones, Markakis, Reimold - these are good young players, and they're playing every day. Matusz and Bell are upper-echelon talents. Tillman and Arrieta are on the way, among others. David Hernandez is interesting, and settled down tonight to throw a decent 6.1 innings. While the O's are clearly dealing with a nightmare situation in 2010 - a situation that's buried them just two weeks into the year - there's reason to believe they have good promise for the future. That organization has a lot of ability in and around the highest level.

Then my empathy switch turns back off when I remember how important it is for fans to develop thick skin. I knew this game was over when we scored in the first. Congratulations, Baltimore, you're in possession of some good players who might help you win down the road. You sure do suck now.

  • With the Cliff Lee quandary rapidly approaching, Doug Fister and now Jason Vargas have taken things to the next level. As many have asked, how could a manager look at what these two guys have done and then decide to boot one from the rotation? Fister's walked four guys in 19 innings, and Vargas' strong outing tonight bumped him to 16 strikeouts and three walks in 18.1. Vargas and Fister have been this team's second- and third-best starters so far, and it hardly seems fair that one of them might be in for a change.

    Of course, that isn't guaranteed, depending on how the team feels about Ian Snell. But it is the likelihood, so you have to admire how hard Fister and Vargas are fighting to stay where they are. Vargas wasn't terrific tonight - he seldom is - but he's beginning to engender within the observer the kind of comfort level and confidence that we used to feel about Jarrod Washburn during one of his good runs. You know what I'm talking about. Vargas throws just enough strikes, misses just enough bats, and works just fast enough to keep people positive. Even when he gives up a home run, it's behind him so quickly that you don't dwell on it. When it comes to winning fans, strikeouts are a pitcher's best friend, but tempo is like a decent acquaintance, a guy you don't really hang out with but whose notes you still borrow when you oversleep and miss class.

    Fister and Vargas have combined for 25 strikeouts, seven walks, and 11 runs against in six starts. The Mariners are 4-2 in their outings. While you never want to go a month without an ace pitcher, there is a very real possibility that Cliff Lee could return with the team not really having missed him.

  • The Orioles were 8.5 back just 14 games into their season. The Mariners have been worse off just once before in their history, dropping to 9 games back 13 games into their season in 1981. The M's were 4-9 at the time, and dropped all the way to 4-12 and 12 games back before things started to stabilize. For the record, the problem wasn't only that the Mariners were 4-12. It was also that the A's were 17-1. At the end of play on April 26th, Oakland's run differential was 111 runs better than Seattle's. Thanks a lot, Glenn Abbott.

  • As you've likely heard by now, Milton Bradley was pulled early with calf soreness after hitting an RBI single. He's going to sit out tomorrow, which will give him a nice break what with the scheduled offday on Thursday. As we've told you before, this is something you'll want to get used to, and as we've told you before, this is why we really don't want Milton Bradley playing the field all the time. He's shown that he can manage it, kind of - he did play 124 games in the National League a year ago - but it's just an unnecessary risk, because he isn't playing the field to make room for a good DH. He's playing the field to make room for Mike Sweeney and Ken Griffey Jr. It's not worth it.

    The roster picture is what it is, though, so for the time being, the M's will play tomorrow with Matt Tuiasosopo as their backup. And that's it. The bench will feature one of the catchers, one of the relics, an injured Bradley, and Matt Tuiasosopo. Better hope Kevin Millwood doesn't bean anyone in a funny place.

  • The top of the second ended with Jose Lopez finally turning the Adrian Beltre Barehand Special on a Cesar Izturis swinging bunt. Replays showed that Izturis was actually safe - yeah, we benefit from bad calls, too - but more important than the result here is the process. Lopez's process was sound, and though he wasn't as quick and though his throw wasn't as strong as what we became accustomed to, he did everything right. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine that a guy with Jose Lopez's physique and Jose Lopez's agility would be able to turn a play like that, but here we are. In fairness, my wildest dreams usually aren't about baseball. A more appropriate sentence would be "never in my wildest dreams did assaulting the black valkyrie with a hydrogen flamethrower turn out as I'd planned."

  • According to Bill Krueger, good hitting is contagious. However, the only good hitters on the team so far have been Casey Kotchman, Franklin Gutierrez, and Ichiro, so the infection pretty clearly hasn't spread. It's April 20th and already we have evidence that the team has divided into isolated cliques. So much for team chemistry.

  • The bottom of the fourth saw Griffey bounce out into the Griffey shift for the second time in two days. I feel like this might be deserving of a post all its own. As I consider it, check out Mike Salk's post tonight on the same subject. Worth noting that Griffey pulls two-thirds of his groundballs to right field. This may be significant, or it may be normal. I don't know anything about the league average for lefties.

  • In the top of the eighth, Mark Lowe got ahead of Adam Jones with back-to-back heaters over the outer half, then put him away with a low slider off the plate. Three pitches, three strikes. Lopez's play earlier wasn't the only thing tonight reminiscent of one Adrian Beltre. Given that Jones is a free swinger who accumulates a lot of his value in the field, I imagine that, like Beltre, had Jones remained a Mariner, we would've grown frustrated by now reminding people that he's good.

  • Jack Wilson is on pace to hit 43 doubles, of which zero will come close to leaving the park.

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I'm kind of expecting the team to play Sweeney one game, then send him down when he 0-fers.

I really do think this will happen; I don’t think it’s just wishful thinking.

by RunningFool on Apr 21, 2010 12:11 AM PDT reply actions  

If he is, he'll probably just retire. (Assuming that no other team wants him)

I do kind of feel bad for the guy. He’s had a pretty decent career but had the misfortune of playing on a team that hasn’t won their division in 25 years and he hasn’t ever played in the playoffs. Since we may go ourselves, I would like him to at least be able to play in one postseason game. On the other hand, he can’t hit, can’t field and is wasting a bench spot. Tough decision.

A Mariners fan in Seattle

by Coach Owens on Apr 21, 2010 3:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Looking at Sweeney's stats, he managed a 106 OPS+ last year.

I know about the positional adjustments and all, but damn, how the hell did that happen?

by craig3410 on Apr 21, 2010 12:28 AM PDT reply actions  

Platoon split?

I'd sleep at the Internet, but I've found servers don't make for good pillows.

by thehemogoblin on Apr 21, 2010 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Assuming either Fister or Vargas will be the odd man out, I think it entirely comes down to their next starts...

Both were not great in their road start (one each) and been good to great in their 2 Safeco starts. Both of the next starts will be on the road. Fister gets the White Sox on Sunday, while Vargas gets Peanuts the Royals on Monday. I know they’ve been great, but I have to think one of them will falter, even if slightly, knowing what is probably on the line. Because…you know…they’re not this good.

by SethGrandpa on Apr 21, 2010 2:26 AM PDT reply actions  

When Lee comes back, I bet we keep Vargas if nobody self-destructs

For an organization that so admires team chemistry, developing a team identity would also be important. Keeping Vargas allows the team to get used to playing behind a mostly lefty rotation, so when Bedard comes back we just plug him in as an upgrade without altering the overall team identity.

by Sukafish on Apr 21, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not that I don't like Fister

I just think that he needs to go eat a couple cows and hit the gym on a regular basis. Maybe he should also spend the rest of the year tweaking his mechanics. He’s 6’8" for crying out loud. How is he not breaking 90 mph consistently? Oh, I remember. His muscles are actually made out of dental floss.

by Sukafish on Apr 21, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

At this point, he pretty much is what he is.

it’s pretty rare that a mechanical adjustment to someone at his age and level of professional experience suddenly makes him throw 2, 3, 4 mph faster. Curt Schilling may be one example (in his late 20s, early 30s I think), but I can’t think of too many more.

by Decatur on Apr 21, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Baltimore actually has a pretty decent core group of players

Their pitching is a little weak but there is enough talented young pitchers there. I’m a little surprised their offense isn’t better than it is. After Brian Roberts and Tejada get back the only big hole they have is at 1B (although Tejada isn’t that great). Even as soon as next year they might be pretty good. Not AL East good but maybe AL Central good.

by Edgar for Pres on Apr 21, 2010 2:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Between Dave comparing Fister to Silva

and you likening Vargas to Washburn I’m starting to dread the coming of summer. Thank god help is on the way.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 21, 2010 4:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Luckily

There is a difference between your #4 and #5 guys who are cheap and helping fill in and your #2 and #3 guys with some of the biggest contracts on the team.

by jtopps on Apr 21, 2010 7:37 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

According to the O's announcers last night, he talked with Wak who said

they have been trying to move Lopez off of 2nd base for 2 years. When Spring Training came and Figgins agreed to the move, Wak apparently told Lopez that if he wanted a spot on the team, he would have to make the switch to 3rd.
So, like I expected, it wasn’t really an option for Lopez like they tried to make it out to be. But I have to give those guys credit, it’s actually been a good thing at this point. Figgins has looked fantastic and Lopez has look almost average. He may even become average by the end of the year. I’m still not sure if I want him playing 3rd for us next year though.

by Mekias on Apr 21, 2010 6:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Lopez has not been average

He has been substantially above average in the field – granted, it’s an obscenely small sample size, but he has not looked anything but good.

In the 4-hole, different story.

by cwel87 on Apr 21, 2010 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

The O's announcers were insinuating last night that Adam Jones' slow start at the plate

is due to his complacency from winning a Gold Glove and making the All-Star team at too young of an age. So that was stupid and a little insulting to Adam.

by FlaskInSafeco on Apr 21, 2010 6:20 AM PDT reply actions  

An Answer.
Things are about as bad as they can get in Baltimore. What would my ripping into them accomplish?

It would make us feel like big men.

by katal on Apr 21, 2010 6:31 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

I certainly don't wan to pile on

But it was our early terrible showing against Baltimore in 2008 that crushed many souls. Not really their fault that we sucked, but still would like to see Felix take care of business today.

by jtopps on Apr 21, 2010 7:40 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Vargas looked pretty good last night

I was at the game last night and Vargas had batters flailing and missing pretty badly. After watching his starts this year he is starting to grow on me.

by Jesse-James on Apr 21, 2010 8:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Early season:

Vargas ranks 25th out of 113 starters in contact rate.

by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 21, 2010 8:59 AM PDT reply actions  

That is an excellent question.

I’ll take Huston but my mind could be changed.

by AgainstKyle on Apr 21, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

on account of Houston is maybe the worst city on the planet

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 21, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Houston is a giant scar on the earth.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/

by JY on Apr 21, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Charles Bronson!

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/

by JY on Apr 21, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fuck no.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/

by JY on Apr 21, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I will do a jig when this happens

For the love of Pete:

Call up Langerhans and Hannahan (once ready), say goodbye to the two old cheerleaders, and get on with it.

by tait644 on Apr 21, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Couple things:

1. The Lopez play was nice, but I was pretty suspicious about the call at first, even sitting out in left field. I’m a fan of bad calls going our way, though.

2. I made a claim in my office yesterday that Griffey no longer possessed the power to even hit one to the warning track. I gladly ate my words last night, but had the right fielder not been anticipating a ground ball between first and second, he probably would have caught that.

3. Moore and Wilson getting back to back doubles blew my god damn mind. Surprise.gif or whatever it’s called indeed.

4. FELIX DAY! NO HITTER AND SWEEP! BAM!

Milton Bradley apologist

by sanford_and_son on Apr 21, 2010 12:31 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

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