New season, new faces, same old rules
With the season well under way, and with the Mariners off to their usual...well, off to a start, anyway, it seems like it might be time for a sort of "here's who we are" type of post. So here it is.
If you're new here since the start of the season, or in the last few months, welcome. LL is a long-established community with a pretty well defined set of norms and expectations - it's not a free for all, it's not a drunken barroom argument, and it's not a place where you can be a jerk and expect to last long. That said, we're not scary and we welcome new posters - as long as you understand what's expected of you and can follow a few simple rules.
If you haven't already, please make yourself familiar with these three links, handily located on the left sidebar:
1. The Off-Topic/Commenting Guidelines. These cover what can and cannot be discussed on LL. Since this post was written a lot of the behaviors listed in it have either gone away or mellowed out to the point of being acceptable. We would like to keep it that way, so please read the post in full.
2. The Lookout Landing Style Guide: This post covers HOW you should post what you post, including such seemingly pedantic things as requiring a subject line, using proper spelling and grammar, and some general behavioral expectations. As mentioned in this post, these rules are here for a reason, and it's a reason a lot of us value highly - these rules make LL a civil place where it's easy to follow along and learn if you want, and easy to participate if you want. The level of interaction you have with LL is up to you, but if you interact, these are the rules you need to use to govern your interactions.
3. How To Post Pictures and Links: It's not OK to post 1200x800 pictures on LL, because a lot of us read this at work (hi boss!) and our work networks are slow and old. This post shows you how to downsize images and how to post links. It's really quite easy.
If you're new around here, I do encourage you to read through all these posts, but the "big" rules are simple:
- No politics
- No religion
- No chatspeak
- Structure your arguments well and don't make them personal
- Like beer, or at least tolerate those who do (okay, so I made that last one up. Still, the point stands).
So, all that said, welcome to LL, new posters, and don't be shy about speaking up!
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As an infrequent poster but hardcore lurker
I’m still honestly confused about the community’s feeling on racist jokes. Only if they’re really funny? Always okay? Never okay? It seems as though we’ve gone back and forth on it a few times but I don’t remember where we landed. If it’s ambiguous that’s fine I just don’t want to violate some implicit law that everyone knows but me.
Thanks sexy people!
The general rule about anything, racist jokes or otherwise
is simple: be funny. This is, of course, wholly subjective, but if you’ve lurked a while you should have a good feel for what the community defines as “funny”.
And if you don’t like something (I’m not crazy about racist jokes but let’s please not turn this into a discussion about that because it’s been done), just skip it and move on with your life.
You are most welcome
And it must be said that I can’t see your screen name without thinking of this.
by pdb on Apr 20, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Before clicking your link, I was hoping it'd be Monty Python.
I wasn’t disappointed.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Apr 20, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
That is wonderful.
If it were the inspiration for my screen name I would anoint myself 43% cooler. Alas. It is not.
There's no official rule on this
truly off color jokes will result in a poor response, and there are many here, like me, who think that most of the race-based jokes made on LL aren’t really funny or creative enough to merit posting. However, there is no official line on the issue.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 20, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you.
That is about where I was thinking we were at but I just wanted to clarify.
The key lies in understanding the difference between being racist and racial
And I will choose to leave it there because now it’s time to podcast. Good luck!
by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 20, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I was going to write something like this entitled: Why We Do What We Do
Why Do We Force Everyone to Use Subject Lines?
Subject lines make it easier for mods to moderate. If someone flags a comment, the moderator can simply click on the subject line in the moderation cue and find the post. If there is no subject line, the moderator has to find the post themselves. Even if you know for certain your comment is acceptable, the purpose of making everyone use subject lines is that we want any new poster that may come to LL to notice that people use subject lines and act accordingly. We do not want them to point to posts where users did not use subject lines as evidence for why it is okay they do what they do.
That is not the only reason. Subject lines make comments easier to read and follow. Bold text is darker and draws the eye, so when a new comment is posted, we can see that it is a new comment rather than one that blends with other comments. In addition, if we want to hide your comment, we cannot do so if there is no subject line. Subject lines are simply easier and better.
Why No Chatspeak?
“The writer who neglects spelling and punctuation is quite arrogantly dumping a lot of avoidable work onto the reader, who deserves to be treated with more respect.” – Lynne Truss
The fact that chatspeak, poor grammar, poor spelling and poor punctuation are generally acceptable on the Internet is a problem with the Internet, and one that LL chooses not to encourage. You should be proud that we do our best to make our comments readable to you, not upset that we expect you to do the same.
Piling On
Piling on is NEVER acceptable. However, if it seems like we are ganging up on your comments, ask yourself why. Chances are the pile on was for a reason, even though it still should not have occurred under any circumstances. If you feel you were piled on for no good reason, flag a comment or write the mods directly.
Reccing
If you like a comment, you don’t need to agree in a comment. Just rec it. Reccing allows others to notice the comment and appreciate it as well.
You Don’t Need to Try So Hard
Note to new posters: You don’t need to try hard to fit in. We appreciate regular commenters equally as much as those that make jokes.
Being Offensive
People on LL are not easily offended. Maybe it is a Seattle thing, maybe it is simply this community. Who knows. That said, you should not try to be offensive. Instead, if you have some hilarious joke that may be seen as offensive but is otherwise hilarious, go for it. But also be sure that your joke will be seen as a joke. Usually that means you should be a member of the community in good standing. If you are brand new, it’s probably a good idea to keep the joke on the shelf until we know you’re not actually a racist.
WHOOSH
You know who you are. I don’t think I need to call you out. But dude, if someone says something that’s clearly not true, it’s probably a joke or sarcasm. No need to comment and correct them.
Name Puns
These are always hilarious and the people who make them are brilliant.
Grammar Police (Parts 1 and 2)
First of all:
- It’s = It is
- Its = Belonging to it
- Your = Belonging to you
- You’re = You Are
- Would Of, Could Of, Should Of = these are not correct
- Would’ve, Should’ve, Could’ve = These are correct
Secondly, grammar policing is not okay either. However, if you MUST grammar police (perhaps the offender continues to make the same unreadable errors), you should always be a member in good standing. If you are new, don’t do it. If you are not new, still don’t do it unless you have damn good reason.
Fuck
This is awesome.
Other SBNation Sites
LL and other SBNation sites do not get along. That said, some websites (Lone Star Ball, Royals Review… others?) are great sites that you should feel free and visit. When you visit, never be a jerk, ever. Also, make sure you understand the community before you comment. Bleed Cubbie Blue, for example, is run by someone that believes ERA is a good way to evaluate pitchers. If you go there and try to discuss Silva’s tRA, you are instantly trolling, because they don’t believe in tRA. So be careful. Also, never go to Halos Heaven. It’s awful. Just stay away from it. I’m serious.
Proof
Often times the members of the community will request (nicely or less nicely) that you prove beliefs that disagree with the general feeling of the community. This often draws some ire, as many people believe that the LL community acts like lemmings, following our fearless leader to our death.
First of all, that’s not true. I love Griffey no matter how much he sucks. I thought Beltre was overrated by the community. I disagreed with the Silva projections back in 2008. It’s not as though people can’t disagree. But there are rules with disagreements:
1) Don’t be a dick.
2) Explain your thoughts and be willing to accept the thoughts of others, especially when your thoughts go against popular opinion..
3) Know that lots of these theories are based on actual mathematics.
That latter point is important. If I ask the community “What is 5+5” and everyone says “10,” and you say “12,” and then you get all uppity because everyone disagrees with you, there is a mathematical reason we disagree. To use a baseball example, if you say Great Player X sucks this year because of his .585 OPS, and the community goes “NAY!” and points to his .100 BABIP and 25% LD%, every single person on this site is going to say “Aha! He’s been unlucky!” If you don’t agree, that’s fine, but know we’re not just copying Jeff and Matthew because they told us that Player X would be good. We’re copying Jeff and Matthew because they used numbers to back their logic, and we agree with numbers.
Keep that in mind when you disagree with popular opinion. You may even be right, but if the numbers point otherwise, chances are the entire community is going to disagree with you, and quite frankly we have more proof on our side.
Numbers in Your Screenname
We are going to be skeptical of you for a while. Sorry.
Flag Things Often
It’s not hard. It’s right next to the rec button. It makes Matthew’s job easier. Jeff to a lesser extend since nothing bothers him. Except for stuffed crust pizza. That shit is nasty.
Anything else?
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Apr 20, 2010 3:30 PM PDT reply actions 43 recs
This is excellent and the only thing I would add to it is
that while all of these rules and guidelines might seem onerous to new people, they’re really not – all we’re asking for is that while at LL you behave like you’re at a party where you don’t really know anyone except the person that invited you, and not like you’re at a party where everyone’s hammered and you’re desperately trying to catch up.
by pdb on Apr 20, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And cats.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
by JY on Apr 20, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
He swings both ways on rabbits.
Coming Soon to SBN: Aston Villa!
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Apr 20, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
In the case of piling on
that would be a good place for people to flag the comment, correct? I would suggest flagging the comment first, and then if after a minute or two somebody hasn’t pointed out the mistake, make a comment on it?
by seattle_since_81 on Apr 20, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Preferably just flag.
But one comment saying “Please use a subject line” is fine. So yes. But wait to make sure other people haven’t said it first.
...and now I'm here
Pretty damn comprehensive.
I appreciate the screenname numbers bit.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Apr 20, 2010 4:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
What's the origin of this?
Funny, I can’t seem to think off the top of my head of any regulars with numbers in their handles. Except for that asshole abender20.
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
by appleshampoo on Apr 20, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Numbers at the end are fine.
I think there’s a correlation between numbers in the middle of a screen name and use of chatspeak.
Hmmmm
If we all followed this pattern, I’d be seattleengineer along with anyone from MIT. Lame.
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
by appleshampoo on Apr 21, 2010 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh come on, yes you do
I love John Carew.
by Aaron Campeau on Apr 21, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I've used this same name since I was like 9 and never bothered with anything different.
Am I included?
I think that best illustrates why people with numbers in their names are often... lackluster posters.
There’s something juvenile about it, and often it’s reflected in the posters themselves. Not that I’m calling out you. I’m sure you’re a swell guy.
You! Cake or death?
Fuck, I have a number
I also want to add that we lurkers appreciate all these rules too. I absolutely cannot stand reading game threads on other SBN sites, with the lack of subject lines, ridiculous grammar and chatspeak, etc. These rules make it much easier for us lurkers to follow along as well – without them, the gamethreads would become unreadable like they are everywhere else.
by fmh2 on Apr 20, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I still don't get why Jeff hates stuffed crust pizza
They just took the stuff on the top of the pizza and put it in the crust.
by Edgar for Pres on Apr 20, 2010 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Except they don't throw in sauce and meat.
It’s like they stuffed a string cheese stick in there and hoped it would melt. Gross.
"They stuffed a string cheese stick in there and hoped it would melt."
See, this is exactly why I think stuffed crust pizza is pure genius.
by Chris Hafner on Apr 20, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think that's what they do
I think they take a very long stretch of those string cheese mozarella sticks and roll the crust over it. That’s way different than shredding up the mozarella and spreading it over the pizza, completely changes the taste and consistency.
I am flabbergasted by how good this comment is.
As a relatively long standing member, I resolve to keep all of this in mind even in my own comments.
I believe that here at LL we need to make more use of the sarcasm font
put an @ sign before and after the text, so that
"at" sarcasm "at"
=
sarcasm
"Most all good Americans hate the Yankees. It is a value we cherish and pass on to our children like decency and democracy and the importance of a good breakfast." - William B. Mead
by Steve Nelson on Apr 23, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoa
Man I miss WFB's hustle so hard
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
by appleshampoo on Apr 26, 2010 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
One more thing:
Please be aware that British English is acceptable spelling around here before ‘correcting’ someone over it. Doing so does not endear you to the moderators.
The rest of them don't like blood all over the place
by Graham MacAree on Apr 20, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
especially in the lift, in the loo, or on the bonnet
by pdb on Apr 20, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I would imagine the blood could be cleaned and the cleaning materials
thrown in the back of a lorry and disposed of.
Help help! I'm bein' repressed!
~I once gave Jose Canseco $15. ~
by section331 on Apr 22, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That would be good times had by all.
Listen, Alice….
by seattle_since_81 on Apr 23, 2010 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Supreme executive power arises from a mandate from the masses
Not some farcical aquatic ceremony!
I'm not going to accept that challenge
Mainly because I can do it, too. :/
~I once gave Jose Canseco $15. ~
Let's not overanalyse.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
by JY on Apr 20, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
A few more potential tips for new commenters:
1. There are a lot of smart people at LL who agree on a lot of topics – but you’re not expected to check your brain or your opinions at the door. You can disagree successfully at LL. The bar is just higher than it is elsewhere on the Internet – having an opinion doesn’t automatically mean that opinion is a good one. Don’t argue with people – argue with their positions. Use evidence. Be thoughtful. Don’t take yourself too seriously. Keep an open mind. Admitting the strength of an opposing opinion is not a sign of weakness.
2. Shocking humor is a hallmark at LL, but it’s effective because it comes from people who are known. A person known to be decent saying something completely shocking and wrong is much funnier than a known scumbag saying something shocking and wrong. Context counts – unless you’re an unquestioned comic genius, make yourself known first.
3. It’s always a good idea to lurk before you jump in, especially if you’re tempted to start off arguing. Get a feel for the community. The community existed before you arrived – don’t expect to drop in, be disrespectful to the regulars, and not be challenged. That wouldn’t fly in a bar full of established regulars, and that wouldn’t fly here. Trying to understand the other point of view before speaking may sound old-fashioned, but it’s a much more productive and respectful way to live.
4. There is one former Mariner who must not be mentioned by name. Mention that player at your peril. Actually, don’t mention him at all; that guy was a douche.
5. Don’t be mean, unless you’re Graham.
Graham is both, and cheerfully so.
But my main purpose there was to reference a long-standing (though now defunct?) LL rule and to, in effect, tell new commenters (who are not Graham) to not be mean.
by Chris Hafner on Apr 20, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
The current LL rule is that unwarranted hostility is not allowed
no matter who it’s from
That's understandable and probably for the best.
But still a pity.
I continue to be amazed with the community here.
Starting with (and sometimes ending with! The dirty Gunner!) pdb. Bravo. Thank you once again for going above and beyond.
by royalcurve on Apr 20, 2010 10:57 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree
There’s a real desire here to cultivate an actual identity as a community and make LL something more than a bunch of blog posts that people comment on. People seem to take a lot of pride in LL as blog and that’s why it’s one of the best (the best?) on SBN.
You! Cake or death?
This blog would tremble before the might of my clown gifs.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Apr 21, 2010 2:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Can I add a rule?
Stop calling me “Dude”. My avatar picture is me, and I am very clearly female.
Mostly.
~I once gave Jose Canseco $15. ~
Normally, yes
But I got it from people who didn’t know me well enough to be using it that way.
I’m not terribly crabby about it, just trying to add some levity. Levity failure imminent. Boo.
~I once gave Jose Canseco $15. ~
All the cool people hide avatars.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Apr 22, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I never claimed coolness
In fact, whatever cool is, I’m about as far from as you can get. :/
~I once gave Jose Canseco $15. ~
You have red hair.
So I don’t understand how you can say this.
...and now I'm here
We are on two different wavelengths.
...and now I'm here
Insert astronomy blue shifting/red shifting joke here.
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
She's constantly getting further from us?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
by JY on Apr 22, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have avoided use of dude appying to females after hearing multiple rants.
And then I end up saying something like “see you guys later” instead and wonder if I have violated a different rule.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
by JY on Apr 22, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
This argument has been had and dude is gender netural around these here parts.
Coming Soon to SBN: Aston Villa!
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Apr 22, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I had a dental student at the U who always called me "man" -- in his case, it was just a brah talk thing.
Eh, I guess I'm guilty of it, too
It seems more “natural” in speech than writing, to me…but that’s just me.
Also, in past cases where this has happened, I’ve had others rush in to correct the offending poster…so was under the impression that there was not a gender-neutrality. I apparently stand corrected.
~I once gave Jose Canseco $15. ~
Here's one I never keep as close track of as I should
Rooting for lovable losers since 1984.
We've also managed to kill off certain memes in the span of a few weeks.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
I killed one last night before it had the opportunity to spread.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
by JY on Apr 25, 2010 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lurker here...
Just had to say hi and tell you folks that this has to be the only SB Nation site where the game threads are more consistently entertaining than the games themselves.
GO BRUINS!!!
by bruinchick on Apr 24, 2010 9:47 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs

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