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Are the Mariners Pumping Fastballs?

Here ye, here ye, we now call to order this meeting of The Fastball Fan Group.

Doug Fister has thrown almost exclusively fastballs in his last two starts and because of that, and a few other occurrences such as Brandon League neglecting his splitter, people have begun to ponder about the increased use of the fastball in 2010 possibly being a staff priority. Granted it is still early in the season, but I felt it worthy of further investigation.

Question 1: Is the team as a whole throwing more fastballs?

According to FanGraphs, the Mariners pitching staff as a unit have thrown a fastball 66.1% of the time, the third highest percentage in the league behind the Tigers and Indians. That's a lot of fastballs. However, in 2009, the Mariners actually led the league in fastball percentage at 66.8%, higher than it currently is. So no, while the team does throw many fastballs, they are actually throwing them less often this season than they did in 2009.

Question 2: Why do they throw so many fastballs?

Is the high percentage of fastballs a product of Rick Adair's philosophy (the fastball % was more pedestrian pre-2009) or a product of the pitchers making up the pitching staff now? I'm trying to find out from the principals involved but there no way to determine the answer simply by looking at the data and any reason I offered in the meantime would be perilously subjective.

Question 3: Who's throwing the fastballs?

The bullpen is. At 75.1% fastballs, the Mariners' bullpen leads the league by a wide margin. The Indians' pen is second at 71.4% and the Rangers and Tigers are tied for third at 68%. This is not new; the Mariners bullpen led the league in fastball percentage last season as well, at 73.4%. This does not come as a big bombshell given the makeup of the bullpen. GM Jack Zduriencik went out and crammed the pen with hard throwers; the average fastball thrown by Mariner relievers also ranks near the top of the league.

Mariner starters rank around 10th in the league in fastball frequency. They are actually second in the league in changeup frequency.

Question 4: Is it harming the team?

Should the Mariners be throwing more changeups and fewer fastballs? This is a difficult question to answer. We would need a complex game theory matrix to fully judge and it would be so bogged down in small samples that it would be difficult to get a precise measurement. A rough estimate would suggest that the Mariners would be better off with a higher number of changeups from their starters and more breaking pitches from their relievers, but whether that should come at the expense of fastballs is nigh impossible to say with confidence.

Nevertheless, I can point out that the fastballs thrown by the Mariners pitchers rank fourth best in the league according to FanGraphs' pitch values and they were fifth best last season. The Mariners may be throwing a lot of fastballs but at least they're good fastballs. 

Question 5: Is there a difference between Adam Moore and Rob Johnson?

The short answer is no. I looked at all the pitches caught by the two catchers from the various starters and after controlling for the pitcher, neither backstop shows a significant difference. Adam Moore has caught 96% as many fastballs as you would expect given 2009 frequencies while Rob Johnson is at 97%. I have no basis to make this claim, but that their fastball (and other pitch) frequencies are so similar prompts one to wonder if most of the pitches are being called from the dugout and not from behind the plate.

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Gaw, why does LL keep calling League's pitch a splitter?

Isn’t it a two-seam fastball (sinker)? That’s what everyone else calls it. Is it really a splitter? Confusion abound.

by Pete_ on Apr 20, 2010 2:34 PM PDT reply actions  

He has a sinker and a splitter

His splitter was the most unhittable pitch in baseball last season.

by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 20, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hm.

I knew about about the most unhittable pitch, I just thought it was his sinker. I feel like that’s what Tony said at Benaroya. I guess my memory sucks butt. I’ve just been calling that filthy pitch a sinker all along. That’s what USSDave calls it too. Doesn’t matter I guess — only matters that it’s awesome and that he actually throws the damn thing.

by Pete_ on Apr 20, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

The sinker, which is nasty in and of itself, is what he’s throwing right now. The splitter/change-up thing that was “the most unhittable pitch in baseball” last year is the one he’s not throwing.

Two different pitches.

by davidcameron on Apr 20, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is there still no word about WHY he's not throwing it?

I don’t remember anyone in the Seattle media asking League about it or hearing any other explanation.

by Decatur on Apr 21, 2010 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is great Matthew.

My own theory based on your findings: the bullpen struggled towards the end of last season, some of it due to fatigue. Fastballs are generally believed to produce less stress on the arm than offspeed pitches. It might be the case that management are deliberately limiting early season use of breaking balls to try and foster improved arm strength at the end of the long season, particularly with possible October baseball on the cards.

This may also apply to the starters as none of our starters barring Felix [who has his own unique conditions due to his age and value] have experience staying in the rotation for the entire season, so it would be wise to not overwork them early on to try and avoid future breakdowns, not just in 2010 but beyond as well.

by EnglishMariner on Apr 20, 2010 2:45 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I was thinking about this too, especially watching League and Fister.

One advantage to this is that when we start facing teams the second time around we can maybe change it up a bit . The A’s would be like “What? League is throwing his splitter again?” I doubt this is by design, but if it is, those are some seriously thorough strategics.

by refuse2lose2010 on Apr 20, 2010 2:52 PM PDT reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing

Maybe the strategy is to always wait until the pitcher gets in trouble to show the hitters much of anything else except the fastball and since particularly Fister and Vargas haven’t had too much trouble, they’ve mostly just been sticking with the fastball. Doesn’t seem like a strategy that will work for too long with those two though.

The real irony here is that one of Drop Johnson’s “skills” is supposedly calling a great game. But mostly he just appears to like to call the old number 1, which I’d hardly call a skill.

I’m beginning to think that with Johnson’s new batting strategy of just taking pitches and not swinging at much of anything, trying to draw the walk; his inability to catch; and his game calling strategy of mostly fastballs, that we could probably just replace him with a roughly strike zone sized bucket.

by hiskeyd on Apr 20, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or maybe they're still letting everyone get in shape for the season

Build arm strength up early on with fastballs, then bring in the other pitches.

Of course I have no idea.

What're ya gonna do with those pies, boys?

by rickpo on Apr 20, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another theory

Perhaps because Drop Johnson can’t catch anything but a fastball, then when runners are on, he’s too afraid to call anything but the fastball? Moore being a rookie, sees this and knows Johnson has a reputation as a good pitch caller, for some reason, so mimics it.

by hiskeyd on Apr 20, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Given the number of youn pitchers we run out

Fister, Vargas, League, etc. It may be an effort by the coaching staff to get guys throwing strikes early on. With the defense and park we have the staff maybe be just trying to minimize BBs and get some confidence going in the young arms.

by moyerLIVES on Apr 20, 2010 2:55 PM PDT reply actions  

I like what we are doing

Similar pitches thrown last year and this year, and among the top in ERA last year and this year. It must be working with lots of fastballs and lots of changeups.

by fortyniners on Apr 20, 2010 3:14 PM PDT reply actions  

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Question 5: Is there a difference between Adam Moore and Rob Johnson?

The short answer is no. I looked at all the pitches caught by the two catchers from the various starters and after controlling for the pitcher, neither backstop shows a significant difference. Adam Moore has caught 96% as many fastballs as you would expect given 2009 frequencies while Rob Johnson is at 97%. I have no basis to make this claim, but that their fastball (and other pitch) frequencies are so similar prompts one to wonder if most of the pitches are being called from the dugout and not from behind the plate.

by seattlebruin on Apr 20, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Players sometimes look to the dugout for a sign.

I don’t think it’s necessary to check in on every pitch, because they’ve gone over how to pitch guys in scouting reports. It’s more the situational decision, like when guys are on base. The most obvious is when a manager calls for the intentional walk. I guess you could call every pitch from the dugout, but it seems redundant to when the general strategy is gone over pre-game.

by refuse2lose2010 on Apr 20, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last night I found myself thinking, "Wow, I can't believe Johnson just caught that foul tip."

Then I realized it was luck, because he was just getting ready to miss the pitch.

I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.

by Rich Langford on Apr 20, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

If our team is throwing so many fastballs and changeups I wonder what our pitch type distribution is for same handed and opposite handed batters?

It seems like against same handed batters we must be throwing almost all fastballs since its unlikely they would see changeups much.

by Edgar for Pres on Apr 20, 2010 3:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Remember when Ricky makes Rocky punch exclusively with his off-hand?

Perhaps something like that is going on?

Carlos Silva is latin for "Let the buyer beware".

by ErictheRed on Apr 20, 2010 4:52 PM PDT reply actions  

So will the club go after a catcher if they're in contention come July?

If neither can field and neither can (really) hit, what good are they exactly?

by Aly Edge on Apr 20, 2010 4:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Pretty unlikely

They like the two guys they have. Quite a bit, really.

by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 20, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

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