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Jinxes

[jingks]  –noun 1. a person, thing, or influence supposed to bring bad luck.

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A long time ago in a land far, far away (San Diego), I was in attendance at a Brewers-Padres doubleheader that illustrates the point I wish to make. This was a scheduled doubleheader, when such a thing still existed. Kevin Brown pitched the matinee and was his typical dominant self. In addition to helping his own cause by driving in the first two runs of the game, Brown took a no-hitter into the 7th inning. I had brought a friend from work and we were sitting in nice club-level seats behind home plate. Easy access to alcoholic beverages may have made what came next inevitable. I glanced at all the goose eggs on the scoreboard and made an idle comment:

"Brownie's throwing a gem," I said. My friend barely missed a beat in reply.

"Yeah, no-hitter!" 

Audible groaning was heard and someone muttered "jinx" in the row behind us. I closed my eyes and lowered my head in resignation. 

"What?" he said.

"You jinxed it."

"Huh? No I didn't."

"Watch."

Brown promptly issued a a two-out walk, then Jeromy Burnitz broke through with a first-pitch grounder up the middle for a base hit. Brown then struck out Darrin Jackson on three pitches to retire the side before finishing a complete game one-hitter. My co-worker and I retired to the bar between games (another *benefit of the double-dip--no cutoff of alcohol sales during the first game), where I took him to task for jinxing the no-hitter, a feat that to this day no Padres pitcher has accomplished. With that August afternoon in mind I offer this companion piece to your LL viewing enjoyment, in hopes that future generations may avoid a similar misunderstanding.  

*may lead to being removed from the premises in the 9th inning of the nightcap.

Jinx (baseball): Saying the words "perfect game" or "no-hitter" in the ballpark in which said effort is still in progress. The terms "perfecto" and "no-no" carry equal weight as jinxes. 

Lesser offense: Saying one of the above phrases while watching or listening to the game broadcast. 

Much lesser offense: Writing the phrase in an online game thread/message board.

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Has a no-hitter.                                   Does not. Yet.

Examples

1.  In Friday's game, after King Felix struck out Adam Everett to end the top of the 3rd, Dave Niehaus said, "Felix goes 1-2-3 and is perfect through the first nine hitters" as they went to commercial.

The added qualifier is no caveat; Niehaus said the word "perfect" in relation to the game Felix was pitching and this is a jinx. At the top of the 4th he again referenced Felix's performance and said to Mike Blowers, "I'm not even going to say the words," either not realizing he already had or trying to unwind the hex. Austin Jackson immediately singled to open the inning, naturally. If you jinx a perfect game you have "whistled past the graveyard" and jinxed a no-hitter as well. This offense sits one rung down on the jinx hierarchy: an announcer saying the words during the broadcast, superseded only by a player or coach saying "perfect game" or "no hitter" in the dugout. The latter would result in an unimaginable fine in players-only Kangaroo Court.

Oblique references to a no-hitter are acceptable, however, including "blank slate", "clean sheet", "working a gem", "trying to make history" or simply showing a shot of the scoreboard. Referring to a perfect game in progress is dicier; an announcer may cite the number of batters up and the number retired. 

2.  During yesterday's no-hitter by Ubaldo Jimenez, with none out in the 7th, Rockies CF Dexter Fowler made a spectacular diving catch of a Troy Glaus liner. The Braves play-by-play announcer said aloud that the catch saved the no-hitter. Two important aspects of a perfect game or no-hitter are evidenced: in any no-hitter or perfect game someone has to make an unlikely defensive play to save the bid, and a broadcaster or fan rooting for the other team cannot inflict a jinx. Congratulations, Ubaldo! Your announcers know better.

3.  Jinxes apply to pitching performances. In last night's gameIchiro came to bat in the 8th needing only a home run to complete the cycle. But nobody avoids mentioning "hit for the cycle". It is perfectly acceptable to walk right up to a player and say, "Hey man, you only need a double for the cycle." No worries. Why one is jinx-worthy and the other isn't I can't say for sure. Maybe because the cycle is an oddity as much as it is an incredible feat. Can you remember where you were when any player hit for the cycle? I can't, but I remember where I was when Randy pitched his no-no and when Mike Cameron hit home runs in his first four at-bats against the White Sox.

Those are the basic ground rules, from which various permutations extend. Go in peace, walk lightly, and don't jinx the hometown nine.

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On Friday, some dumbasses in our section tried to start the wave

during the top of the fourth, but it kept dying after two or three sections because the crowd was actually watching the game. But the dumbasses were not to be deterred. No – they kept it up until they killed the perfect game. I blame them and them alone. Starting the wave falls somewhere in the hierarchy of hexation.

by Astrobiology on Apr 19, 2010 7:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Is the point of the wave to rally the home team or distract the visiting team?

I’ve always thought the former, so I always get pissed off when they try to wave when the visitors are at-bat.

by Mariner John on Apr 19, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

The wave is a Seattle tradition, regrettably

And is more for fans to entertain themselves than anything else. I kind of liked it when I was 12 years old and watching the Seahawks in the Kingdome, but unfocused noise completely unrelated to the action on the field has no place at a baseball game. Is it a jinx? Probably not, but it’s definitely stupid.

by lemonverbena on Apr 19, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm fine with the wave in blowouts. It's something to do.

When the wave happens in the middle of the tight game (any sport), I’m pissed. Watch the damn game.

by JonBBT on Apr 19, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually experience internal rage when the wave starts or is attempting to start

And it sucks that it started in Seattle. Can we just practice revisionist history? I’ll start with the Wikipedia page.

by gabe713 on Apr 23, 2010 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Probably the same guy as that dipshit on opening day that was trying to start the wave

I was in the 8th row of 114, and that one guy kept screaming at everybody to start the wave. What a dipshit

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Apr 19, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I never stood up for it. Not once in the half-dozen times it came around during the late innings when the game wasn't in doubt.

Fuck UW for starting that ridiculous tradition (and for everything, in general).

I'd sleep at the Internet, but I've found servers don't make for good pillows.

by thehemogoblin on Apr 19, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Although there are many around these parts that will give you grief for talking about jinxes

I really enjoyed this rundown of baseball lore.
Taking out every bit of baseball superstition takes away some of the magic, I feel. And why can’t we have some magic with our realism?

Coming Soon to SBN: Aston Villa!

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Apr 19, 2010 9:06 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Thanks very much

I’m sure even the most pragmatic LL’er understands the context. Advanced metrics and traditional mysticism can peacefully coexist. I meant to add in Item 3 that part of the reason jinxes apply to pitching performances is that pitching has always been viewed as an elusive craft. You can’t just put anyone with physical talent out there and teach them to be a pitcher. It’s a sort of witchcraft, and is more likely to disappear without warning than is a position player getting the yips and turning into Steve Sax trying to make the throw to first. That’s why the pitcher gets left alone during a start, and why the other players retreat to one side of the dugout during a no-no or perfecto bid.

by lemonverbena on Apr 19, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can I rec this 100 times?

Does the World Series trophy come with a plate of bacon?

by PositivePaul on Apr 19, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mostly love Dave Sims...

…but this is the one thing I absolutely LOATHE about him.

He ruined today’s…

I mean – I get that a lot of people don’t believe in jinxes. I’ve discussed this with Dave himself, even. But C’MON! Accommodate those of us who do!!!

Does the World Series trophy come with a plate of bacon?

by PositivePaul on Apr 19, 2010 9:42 PM PDT reply actions  

B.S!

You can describe a no-hitter without saying “no-hitter” – it’s very easy. That’s all we’re asking. It’s. NOT. THAT. HARD!

Does the World Series trophy come with a plate of bacon?

by PositivePaul on Apr 19, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just listen to what Kirsten said...

Does the World Series trophy come with a plate of bacon?

by PositivePaul on Apr 20, 2010 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the point is that not talking about it is part of the thrill of the no hitter.

“He could get a no hitter. Oh shit he’s going to get a no hitter. Do you think he’s going to get a no hitter? Holy crap it would be wicked if he got a no hitter. One more inning until he would get a no hitter. I don’t think he’s going to get a no hitter. Markakis is going to break up his no hitter right now. Oh check it out, the no hitter is still on.”

It spoils the excitement.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Apr 20, 2010 5:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think that's true

Acknowledging that someone’s working on a potential no-hitter in no way spoils that he’s working on a potential no-hitter.

by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 20, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, you're no fun

p.s. Hamilton’s craft beer cruise on Sunday, June 13 for M’s-Padres. Drag your ass back home for it.

by lemonverbena on Apr 20, 2010 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why should we care what you're asking?

I avoid talking about no-hitters. I think that drinking beer in a stadium jinxes things, so I avoid that too. But my weird superstitions are my weird superstitions, and imposing them on other people would be insane.

by Graham MacAree on Apr 20, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions   7 recs

I'm never drinking beer in a stadium again

Fortunately it’s not called Safeco Stadium, nor is the one down here PGE Stadium. Dodged a couple bullets there.

by pdb on Apr 20, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

From 2007

Niehaus was calling the action on KOMO radio.

“I have to be a reporter,” echoed Niehaus, who estimates he has called “13 or 14” no-hitters in his long career.

“From, say, the fifth inning on, certainly the sixth inning on, I’ve got to keep reminding people they might be sitting in on a piece of history. I’ll take the wrath of people calling up. And believe me, there will be some wrath.

“If I don’t report it, I’m not doing my job. People might tune in and think it’s just another ballgame. You’ve got to let them know what’s going on.”

by msb on Apr 20, 2010 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions   5 recs

You already know I disagree with this,

but then I never believed in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny or the American Dream.

by Sec 108 on Apr 20, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just wonder

How many times, during any successfully completed no hitter, someone says “hey this guy’s throwing a no hitter!”

by pdb on Apr 20, 2010 9:59 AM PDT reply actions  

It happens

We’re not talking logic or science here. It’s just tradition.

by lemonverbena on Apr 20, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

So here's my question about the jinx

Does jinxing the no-hitter

(1) render the no-hitter impossible

(2) reduce the odds of the no-hitter, or

(3) mean nothing but still make you upset?

by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 20, 2010 12:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Some would argue (1) but I lean towards (2)

Obviously a jinx has no scientific/rational basis. But baseball is an old game and some of the superstitions have been around a long time. It’s just one of the fun things about the Grand Old Game. But hey, if you want to break a mirror, walk under a ladder and talk about a no-hitter in progress, please feel free.

Think of it like golf etiquette. They aren’t rules per se, but if you get invited to golf with the CEO, you’ll look like an idiot if you walk across his line or leave the green before everyone has putted out. Similarly, if you go to the ballpark and start yelling “Whee! No-hitter in progress!” you’re going to get heckled by other fans. Say it in the dugout and you’ll get taped to the soda machine.

by lemonverbena on Apr 20, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

All of the above.

Does the World Series trophy come with a plate of bacon?

by PositivePaul on Apr 20, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

.

1) Yes, because it’s been jinxed, according to The Code. As discussed in the post, there are levels of jinx so, yeah. It’s irrational. It’s not SUPPOSED to make sense, but if a no-no’s been thoroughly jinxed (esp. by an announcer) then yes, darn near 100% of the time it fails to happen. For the sake of argument, it then becomes impossible.
2) Yes, because the odds go from X% to <1% (accounting for the fact that nothing is ever 100% or 0% in baseball)
3) It means nothing from a logical standpoint because it’s stupid and silly in the grand scheme of things — the jinx-er is not the one, ultimately, who surrenders the hit etc., according to basic logic. But when a no-no’s been jinxed, especially by an announcer (whether Sims, Niehaus, Scully, whomever…) it still irrationally pisses me off.

Does the World Series trophy come with a plate of bacon?

by PositivePaul on Apr 20, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think this is getting a little bit overblown.

I don’t believe there is such thing as a jinx, but I do find it fun to get really excited about something that no one is mentioning. It is its own separate game.

Maybe it’s because I do find it a little annoying to mention something over and over that might not happen. It’s like knowing you have 5 numbers of the 6 number lottery and pretending that you don’t until the 6th number is mentioned. I don’t think I would find it as enjoyable if someone was in my ear like “Holy crap man, you can win the lottery. Dude, guess what, you might win the lottery. You have a one in 52 chance. That’s so low! You might win! Just one more number man, just one more number…” It’s like “Thanks, I know, shut up already, I want to hear the final number.”

Though now that I think about it, I think this might just be the Seattle in me talking.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Apr 25, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty close to my feelings

People took this more seriously than I intended. Thought a disclaimer would have weakened it so I let the reader decide.

by lemonverbena on Apr 25, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn't being serious

If people want to have their superstitions, whatever, I don’t put much stock in them but I can see how it’s fun to believe in that stuff, even though we all know it’s not really true. But like all things on LL there is a tendency to pile on, and when people pile on over something silly, it ostracizes people that don’t necessarily need to be ostracized. Because they are still rational actors if they don’t believe in jinxes, and we want rational people here.

by OlSalty on Apr 25, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Figgins apparently had no idea there was a no-no going

one reason why the subject didn’t come up in the dugout.

by msb on Apr 20, 2010 1:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Surprised it hasn't been posted in this thread

But here is Larry Stone weighing in on it.

Personally I avoid saying the words if I’m at the game, mostly just because I don’t want to get ostracized by those around me. I’ll be honest, it does bug me a little bit when the announcers say the words “no hitter.” It doesn’t seem that hard to use any of the alternate phrases as Paul has mentioned. But I just can’t get that upset about it.

Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle

by appleshampoo on Apr 20, 2010 2:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Honestly surprised he took it that seriously, or that people actually call Dave Sims to complain

It’s just a traditional superstition is all. But I do have a little bit of an issue with saying “I don’t believe in it, so I can say anything.” Hey Larry, do you go to department stores and tell little kids that Santa Claus is a fake? Run into church and tell everyone to stop worshipping an old man in the sky? Just because you don’t believe it doesn’t mean you have to spoil the fun.

by lemonverbena on Apr 20, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think the reason why you can jinx a no-no but not hitting for the cycle

would be the nature of the achievement. Pitching a perfect game requires that you not fuck up. More likely than not, you will get the next batter out. It’s doing it 27 times in a row that’s the hard part. When it comes to hitting for the cycle or hitting 4 homers in a game, each individual feat is against the odds. It requires that you do something unlikely and amazing each time up.

When someone breaks up a no-no, there’s a lot of disappointment because the odds of that at-bat ending in a base hit were not good. The perceived odds were even lower, because the pitcher “is on a roll.” But it happened anyways, so maybe the batter had supernatural help, in the form of a jinx. Not a logical response, but a very real human one nonetheless. There’s less disappointment when someone fails to hit for the cycle because nobody really expects it to happen. Even if it looks like the player in question is really locked in, we all know that the odds of any base hit in any particular at-bat are much less than 50-50, and the odds against getting the kind of base hit you need in the at-bat you need it are almost insurmountable. We all know that and don’t even think about jinxes having an effect.

That’s my take anyway.

by Sukafish on Apr 22, 2010 9:51 PM PDT reply actions  

I always just say he is throwing a doody

not because I believe in jinxes, but because I have the humor of a child and imagining someone throwing their doody is funny.

by Ballard Erik on Apr 27, 2010 11:11 AM PDT reply actions  

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