4-6, Chart
by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 14, 2010 11:21 PM PDT
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Biggest Contribution: Franklin Gutierrez, +23.2%
Biggest Suckfest: Matt Tuiasosopo, -11.7%
Most Important AB: Bradley single, +24.2%
Most Important Pitch: Fox homer, -16.7%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): +25.8%
Total Contribution by Lineup: +24.2%
Total Contribution by Opposition: 0.0%
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I like these graphs better than the other (green) ones.
by RunningFool on Apr 14, 2010 11:25 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
As do I.
By a longshot.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Apr 14, 2010 11:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Me too
The Fangraphs charts go up when I’m not home.
by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 14, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I know.
Pretty much, I’m saying be home more. :)
by RunningFool on Apr 14, 2010 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
This has been an unusual week
Writing will resume at normal frequency before long!
by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 15, 2010 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Thank goodness. I've felt so confused without your insights!!
In all seriousness though, do what you need to do; there are more important things than writing a recap. I’m sure the next recap will be worth the wait!!
by BrettJMiller on Apr 15, 2010 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, everyone needs to have a life.
You included Jeff. I consider everything here a bonus.
Also a die-hard Hawks fan.
by Hopefulmsfan on Apr 15, 2010 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions
And now I know when to Rob (Johnson) you.
I'd sleep at the Internet, but I've found servers don't make for good pillows.
by thehemogoblin on Apr 14, 2010 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions
You mean, when to go over to his place and drop all his things?
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Apr 15, 2010 2:47 AM PDT up reply actions 10 recs
Lopez looking good at 3B
Fun game all around, minus the baserunning crap. At least MB redeemed himself to the fans.
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
Fuck that, Milton needs to redeem himself to nobody
The ‘fans’ that are already heckling him are ignorant morons who don’t understand baseball. One week of bad luck is causation to boo someone who isn’t Carlos Silva, let alone someone who is as awesome as Bradley?
Give me a fucking break.
by cwel87 on Apr 15, 2010 3:22 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, I agree with you
I would just rather not have to worry about it becoming a situation with anyone. So if he produces and the stupid fans aren’t exposed for their stupidity and MB doesn’t shank a bitch, I’ll be happier.
Maybe that’s being too tolerant of stupidity. Sorry, I’m a very tolerant person.
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
by appleshampoo on Apr 15, 2010 3:54 AM PDT up reply actions
What a flattering picture of Vargas.
by niceguysfinishlast on Apr 14, 2010 11:33 PM PDT reply actions
I didn't get to watch the game
But it sounds like League was great. This is very encouraging after a couple of subpar performances in some of the earlier games.
by niceguysfinishlast on Apr 14, 2010 11:35 PM PDT reply actions
He allowed a couple of deep flyballs to center that could have left in other parks or on a warmer night.
A la most Aardsma saves. But his stuff looked good.
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
by appleshampoo on Apr 14, 2010 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions
His stuff is off-the-charts nasty.
If he could only harness that shit on a regular basis he’d be unstoppable.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
This game had the perfect amount of Rob Johnson.
That is to say none.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on Apr 15, 2010 12:08 AM PDT reply actions 7 recs
I can't wait for Ichiro to be Ichiro again. (I know it's just him and his annual April disagreement.)
Also, can we deify Franklin Gutierrez yet?
I'd sleep at the Internet, but I've found servers don't make for good pillows.
No need to deify someone who's already a god.
by ChristopherA on Apr 15, 2010 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
Just beat me to it.
So I’ll rec it instead.
Also a die-hard Hawks fan.
by Hopefulmsfan on Apr 15, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Would that make Mariner's fans deusexuals?
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
I had lost my faith.
Until I found Franklin.
Also a die-hard Hawks fan.
by Hopefulmsfan on Apr 15, 2010 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
and opened your heart with his glove.
I'd sleep at the Internet, but I've found servers don't make for good pillows.
by thehemogoblin on Apr 15, 2010 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Possibly a noob question.
But how do you calculate “Total Contribution by Opposition” and what can we conclude from that figure?
That's generally just errors or wild pitches or whatever
Things that happen for which I can’t credit the Mariners.
by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 15, 2010 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions
No matter how many times I am reminded of it, I will not accept the ridiculousness of our huge, passive agressive fanbase.
Without dropping a curse word or anything, I get talked to today about being too loud, while a group of five or six frat boys behind me dropping f-bombs at Gabe Gross get off scott free. My offense? Making fun of the name Gabriel.
It was a great game, but holy crap Seattle. Why is everyone so afraid to say “Hey dude, quiet down”? It’s not elementary school. We’re adults. Tell ME, don’t tell on me.
I love the M’s, I love Safeco field, but why is it that only the blogosphere has, you know, good Seattle fans? It’s going on three years now and it’s getting incredibly frustrating. Grow up, people.
On the other hand, Bradley, Guti, yay!!! At least the team is fun to watch, even though the fans don’t deserve to be in the stadium.
Safeco's neutered atmosphere is baffling to me.
Qwest Field is fucking anarchy, and my memories of games at the Kingdome were mostly “I can’t hear myself think.” Same with the Key Arena in the mid-90s.
What the hell happened with the new ball park? I can’t think it’s a bad fanbase, because we raised plenty of hell in the 90s glory days. Is it the lack of a dome? A string of shitty teams driving away the hardcore fans? A concerted effort by the brass to attract the “uptight parents” demographic? Maybe all three?
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
by Benne on Apr 15, 2010 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It is the ownership.
Things began to change once they took over the team in the early 90’s. It wasn’t as bad under Schultz, but Lincoln has created a very corporate atmosphere that focuses on overall fan experience rather than the game itself. It is not going to change anytime soon as they are convinced that it has helped their bottom line.
It seems like trying to support and foster a dedicated fan base of die-hards would be greater for their bottom line.
After all, die-hards are more loyal and more willing to spend money. You want to build that rabid attitude starting when the kids are small.
by BrettJMiller on Apr 15, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I was at a employee get together back in 05
I can’t remember if it was either Lincoln or Armstrong that said this but it basically boiled down to “Fans don’t remember who won their first baseball game. They remember what Hydro won, what bobble head they got or if they were able to meet the moose or not.” I was irate when I heard this but a lot of their actions in the last couple of years have earned some respect back.
I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if they took those yearly ESPN ballpark surveys more seriously than the AL West Standings. I don’t know if this overall philosophy has changed much since I left but I seriously doubt it.
As Nick Hornby pointed out in Fever Pitch,
this is a self defeating mindset. Even people who aren’t rabid fans will enjoy a game more if other rabid fans are there; it’s part of the atmosphere. A tame atmosphere doesn’t draw more tame fans, and discourages them from ever BECOMING rabid fans. The kind of fan Lincoln was talking about only goes to one or two games a year.
The Mariners won my first game at the Kingdome (my first five, actually. For a while I thought I was invincible). I have no idea who won the Hydro race; I didn’t meet the moose and I didn’t give a crap.
Bottom line, the main reason the fans aren’t excited is because we’ve been out of the playoffs for so long. They were excited 10 years ago; Safeco was a different place back then. I don’t really blame people if they don’t want to get their hopes up.
by Rollo Tomasi on Apr 15, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
That's kind of Seattle though, isn't it?
moving from there to New York has been a revelation
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 15, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
No it's a Safeco thing
I’ve only had one incident at Qwest involving somebody not liking what we were saying and at Sounders games they encourage us to whatever the fuck that we want.
I've never been to Qwest,
but I’m told that the demographics are very different
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 15, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I find this unlikely.
You may have been told that, but there’s undoubtedly a significant amount of crossover between the sports. Last game of the ‘09-’10 season, Griffey raised the 12th Man flag. That place erupted. They knew who and what they were cheering for.
If anything, Qwest’s patrons are more blue blood than Safeco’s. Football just endorses a rabid fanbase. Baseball only does in select cases, and the Mariners organization is not one of them (though we wish they were).
A fan near me was calling the team a bunch of losers in the 1st and 2nd inning.
Really? That quickly into the game? With that bad of an insult?
by Mariner John on Apr 15, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
What section were you in?
I think I actually know those guys.
Also a die-hard Hawks fan.
by Hopefulmsfan on Apr 16, 2010 2:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Whats up with the attendance?
One of the lowest attendance numbers ever! It seems there are more Mariners fan at Lookout Landing. I hope people start showing up more and the 4-6 start is not discouraging, there’s definitely a lot of hope still this season!
I noticed the attendance being very low as well ... I hope it's just the cold, pitcher and opposition keeping the fans away, because we need fuller houses to increase revenues for payroll in 2011.
by EnglishMariner on Apr 15, 2010 2:49 AM PDT up reply actions
It was a little chilly out there
But I think it’s mostly just the fact that the Mariners haven’t done anything to draw in the casual fans yet. Sure they broke .500 and had a big offseason, but attendance still trails performance. When I talk to most of my friends in Seattle who don’t follow the team closely, usually the sentiment is something like “so what are the chances of them not sucking this year?” A lot of folks don’t even realize we won 85 games last year.
Anyway, hopefully a sellout Friday with Felix on the mound and the Griffey bobblehead. But I wouldn’t hold my breath for great numbers until there is warmer weather or the Ms go on a serious hot streak. And of course when the big ALE boys come to town.
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
by appleshampoo on Apr 15, 2010 3:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it's that Seattle only supports a winner, since we're kind of a bandwagon town, and this team got off to a really rough start.
In the summer, if we’re within shouting distance of first place I’m sure the stadium will fill up.
by BrettJMiller on Apr 15, 2010 5:27 AM PDT up reply actions
There were huge crowds at fanfest though, I personally expected attendances to be visibly up at the start of the year, but this hasn't been the case.
I guess the unmitigated disaster that was ST and our first week didn’t help.
by EnglishMariner on Apr 15, 2010 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I haven't seen the attendance figures yet but April attendance figures always suck
I wouldn’t worry about it yet.
Yeah, but you would expect that to manifest later
people who buy tickets in general will go to the game and most of the tickets for game #3 should have been sold well before we started losing
by seattlebruin on Apr 15, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Good God this is a fucking myth.
How does it perpetuate that Seattle is a bandwagon town? Nielsen Media has us ranked as per capita the fifth best baseball market in the US in terms of regional TV viewership. TV and attendance records aren’t the same thing, but to put it in perspective, despite the attendance increase in Anaheim, they still trail behind us.
The Yankees are behind us, and I don’t think anyone questions their rabid fanbase. Ditto for the Cubs. The Dodgers don’t even appear on the list.
The TV audience is vastly different in mentality than the in person audience though
TV audiences are by nature passive, and it requires only an investment in basic cable to watch Mariner games on TV – you don’t have to DO anything, and you can just sit there quietly if you want. In person, sports can and should be loud, boisterous, and somewhat intense – but the “fan friendly” policies at Safeco prohibit that, or at least the vocal expression of that sort of intensity.
Nobody questions the Yankee/Cub fan’s “rabidity”, because they’re allowed to be vocal – at Safeco, fans are not allowed to be vocal/rabid, as Brett’s experience has shown.
I work as a paid intern and attend university.
I can rarely afford tickets. But I can afford basic cable.
How does this response in any way address what pdb said?
I just so happened to be a college student when I first bought season tickets. TV fans and people who go to games all the time are very different creatures.
Biographically interesting and completely not the point
All the teams above the M’s on that list you linked to – the Red Sox, Phillies, Cardinals, Tigers, and Twins – have both large TV audiences and high attendances. Look at the average attendance from last year – the M’s rank 21st out of 30. If the M’s were truly not a “bandwagon team”, they would be the fifth best market in terms of attendance as well if you base it on TV viewership. They are not. Attendance requires interest, and interest peaks when the team is good. Which is what people mean when they say “bandwagon fans”.
Seattle’s full of ‘em, but that doesn’t make Seattle either unique or a bad sports town.
Seattle's fan base is also the most geographically spread out in America
making it harder for them to draw regular attendance to Seattle center.
I would be interested to know
what percentage of the M’s TV audience has been to a game at Safeco – not for any sort of validation of the whole “bandwagon” thing, just as a matter of curiosity. It’s a long way from Alaska or eastern Montana to Seattle, and no little expense; I don’t get to more than a couple games a year these days, and I only live three hours down the road.
I watch all the M's games on TV, unless I can afford to go a game.
I’m usually able to afford only 2-3 games a year at Safeco. There are many other M’s fans in my neighborhood who also watch/listen to the games and we are anything but “passive” in this endeavor. We are also not “bandwagon” fans. We lived through 2008 and were very loud in our disgust at certain players and the FO. We simply cannot afford to go to many games. It’s not just the economy, it’s a lower class lifestyle. I think there are many fans in Seattle who are in a similar situation.
by TrustBaseball on Apr 15, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
And this was exactly my point with regard to my financial position.
Just because one doesn’t go to a game doesn’t mean they’re a passive/bandwagon fan. There are several factors which play into it.
I think they are talking about the fans that are at the games.
That they are too tame and passive.
Also a die-hard Hawks fan.
by Hopefulmsfan on Apr 16, 2010 2:44 AM PDT up reply actions
The temerity of the fans in attendance at Safeco (and the regular/irregular attendance records at that)...
was a point in favor of identifying the Seattle fanbase as “bandwagon.” I don’t think it’s fair to call Seattle a bandwagon town, given those situational realities—economically, geographically, et cetera. I think Seattle is like any other baseball town, if not a little more loyal. (Boston being excluded, but fuck Red Sox fans.)
Seattle seems a lot like Atlanta, where I live
Kind of fickle in many ways… going to the ballpark is a “family experience” more than a baseball game.
I would agree with you.
I might say that it is just an “experience” for a lot of the people showing up at the stadium not just a “family experience”. It seems like that has been happening to a lot of sports. It doesn’t help that quite a few people that are going have smart phones, iPods, handheld video games, etc. to distract them from the game.
by seattle_since_81 on Apr 15, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I love the Nintendo Fan Network for the DS.
Pitch-by-pitch strike zone plots! That’s pretty much all its good for.
Yep, exactly
In the south college football is go big that baseball takes a back seat. Its all family oriented – at Turner Field they have a Cartoon Network themed playground. Hell, the Braves have their spring training complex INSIDE Disney World. That should tell you how much little passion there is for baseball.
But Cammy!
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 15, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I used to never watch the ball games
Only listened or went to the park. Now that’s I’m watching them (yay!) and I get to watch the fans int he best seats, I see how true this is.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 15, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
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