That Was/This Is Miserable
I was intending to write something up about the home opener. However, I didn't get back to Portland until 1, and even having been at the Safe to watch them firsthand, the Mariners didn't really give me anything to write about. So here we are. Before the game, FSN ran a poll asking fans what they were most excited about in the afternoon. 45% said "Randy Johnson's first pitch." 21% said "the game." I made a crack about the results when I saw them, but it turns out the people were right. Wisdom Of Crowds, I guess.
It's one thing to get owned by Brett Anderson, but when you're getting two-hit at home by Justin Duchscherer, that's when things get uncomfortable. All game long there were statements being made about how awful this team looks, and while any team would look awful going 2-6, and while the Mariners are better than this, there's no questioning that they have a certain feel about them when they get in these slumps. Maybe it's the same feel that any team gets when it sucks, but when this team's at the plate, there's a feeling of hopelessness, and when this team's in the field, there's an air of inevitability, especially when the other guys get runners on. The only thing more predictable than the M's stranding Franklin Gutierrez in the fourth was Gabe Gross not stranding his two runners in the seventh. Randy's pitch and flashy infield defense aside, that was a miserable game, and what's worse is that it blended in so well with all the others.
Do we panic? You don't need me to tell you that it's still early, that it's only been eight games. Of course the team isn't this bad. Nobody's hitting their averages, and even if Griffey "looks finished," you can't dogpile on him, because he's just one of a number of guys not doing what's expected. Things will even out, and as they do, the team will score more runs. Of that there's no question.
Consider what you think about the Angels. The Angels are 2-5, have a worse run differential than we do, and are well on their way to their sixth loss right now as they've blown some glorious run-scoring situations in New York. A lot of Angels fans are probably freaking out, but you expect them to get a lot better, as you should. The Angels are a pretty good team, and the Mariners are a pretty good team, and pretty good teams don't lose 75% of their games.
Here's the problem, though - at the start of the year, we told you time and time again that the West would be a tight division, and now that we're about a week into the year, the M's are four games out of first place. Meaning they need to be that much better over the remaining 154 if they want to make the playoffs. A four-game deficit over five and a half months can seem like a lot or a little depending on how you look at it, but it's a clear disadvantage. Our postseason odds might be half what they were last weekend. Half! It's both a surmountable deficit, and a significant one.
So the Mariners need to shape up, and they need to shape up soon, because no matter how long the baseball season may be, a bad start can torpedo a team before it so much as moves off the shore. Tonight would be a good time to start. A win tonight pulls the M's a game closer. A win tomorrow draws them closer still. It's too early to care about the games back, but it's also never too early to care about the games back, because games back mean everything. The M's can't afford to fall many more games back. They can't afford it, because they aren't good enough to crawl out of a big April hole.
The Mariners are a talented team, and from this point forward, I expect them to play like it. And they better. There is no panic threshold, no single game on which everything rests. Every additional loss, however, makes things just a little more bleak, and it's too early for bleak. It's April 13th. So with that in mind, I would like no more of this poor performance, no more of this losing. No more of it, indeed.
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The game was sure depressing to be at after the pre-game festivities.
It’s only made worse by everyone in my section looking at me funny when I started yelling about how Rob Johnson sucks as they heckle Bradley. I hope tonight is better. I didn’t come this far to see two shit games.
I like how they introduced Bradley first before the game and used fireworks to cover up any potential fan response
Walking out of the stadium, I eavesdropped on some people asking if this was going to be the worst sports year in Seattle history. Obviously stupid, but you can sense that people are already getting fed up with this team.
by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 13, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Come on, guys; let's think positive!
Believe big! I’m not going to give up on our M’s just yet, and neither should any of you.
by katherinekiyoko on Apr 13, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Nobody's giving up
Literally nobody. But everybody is more nervous than they were eight days ago.
by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 13, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually ...
… I’m not really a fairweather fan, but I’ve read this book before. What makes it worse is that the braintrust have staked their collective reputation on a couple of decisions that do not look wise and they seem to have little recognition of the notion of sunk costs.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
2 out of 3
Seem pretty easy to rectify and expecting them to make major roster decisions within the first 10 games strikes me as a might hasty. The FO has staked their reputation on the Lee trade, Guti trade and Felix extension. All of which are things I think we’re pretty happy about yes?
I'd say it was the exact opposite
the braintrust has hardly staked their entire reputations on this, and seem stunningly aware of what sunk costs are and how to trade them for Milton Bradley
by seattlebruin on Apr 13, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess that's a good way to put it...
but we could easily look at this as the low point of the season. Instead of our July slump, we’re getting it out of the way early and soon Lee will be pitching and everything will be better.
by katherinekiyoko on Apr 13, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Unfortunately that's not really the way these things happen
by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 13, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn it!
You mean were allowed more than one slump a year?
Because we’re rebels. Accurate, intelligent, introspective rebels. And damn proud of it my friend. - CapSea
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
Our true talent level still as an 83-86 win team, but we can only be expected to play at that level for the remaining 154 games.
So going 2-6 does hurt, and it’s the gambler’s fallacy to think that some force will even all these early losses out.
Could anything really beat 2008 for Seattle sports?
The mariners sucked, the seahawks sucked, the sonics….left, and the college teams where pretty terrible as well.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on Apr 13, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
No, that year's in a class all its own
by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 13, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
That was a truly special year
that was a near-impossible level of sucking
by seattlebruin on Apr 13, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
You know it's bad when we are forced to romanticize the suck.
Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.
by Rich Langford on Apr 13, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
The Storm did something!
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by beastwarking on Apr 13, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I've had season tickets since their inception.
They’re pretty good
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
by beastwarking on Apr 13, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
A quick and dirty calculation tells me that the 2-6 start has cost the team about two games from the projected total
That is, if they are an 85 win true talent team and play that way (.525) for the rest of the season, then they’ll finish with 83 wins. If they were an 83 win team, they should finish at .500. And so on.
I like thinking of things this way because it puts it into perspective. None of our players have gotten worse because of these eight games, and the talent on the team remains, so we shoudln’t panic. On the other hand, the games do count and they’re going to have to play that much better, or luckier, to get to the top of the division.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 13, 2010 12:40 PM PDT reply actions
I completely understand the concept of gambler's fallacy
But teams naturally go through stretches of hot and cold streaks.
This is undoubtedly colder then Pluto.
Nevertheless, whatever your projection for the M's was
you should dock it two games.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 13, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Good thing I projected them as a 100 win team
This slow start will just help the drama of the eventual movie made about this 2010 season.
by Snuffleupagus on Apr 13, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
If in a couple weeks, the Mariners are outperforming their projected win rate, should you add to your expectations?
Say the Mariners play .714 ball for the rest of April after this miserable opening.
This means that at the end of the month, we’ll have a 13-10 record.
You still project them as a true talent level 85 win team (.525). For the remaining 139 games, then, you say 139*.525=72.975+13=85.975 wins, so call them an 86 win team. Your true talent level projection has them gaining a win on the back of the record they’ve already built.
I think this is my favorite stat of the year so far
either that or Franklin Gutierrez being on pace to be a 14.5 WAR player if you use +/- as his actual defensive numbers
by seattlebruin on Apr 13, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
As fan of Gutierrez I think I would love a 14 WAR season from him.
Maybe he would even win the “Gold Glove” award this year.
Are you kidding?
Not while Torii Hunter is alive. I mean we all know he’s the superior fielder.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on Apr 13, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
12 balls in play and not a single hit
Lame as hell.
and he's made some solid contact
he’ll be fine.
by Snuffleupagus on Apr 13, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Noticed this last night. Remarkable.
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by Griffin Cooper on Apr 13, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
How can that be...?
He’s at least hit one home run. Does a home run not count as a ball in play?
by Matt Erickson on Apr 13, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
And Rajai Davis >:(
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 13, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
In a manner of speaking
yes, they are.
by Matt Erickson on Apr 13, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Hm, interesting.
Good to know. Is it not considered a ball in play because (at least in theory) a fielder cannot possibly make a play on it?
by Matt Erickson on Apr 13, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, that makes sense.
I’m thinking about the purpose of the statistic from the batter’s perspective. One would want to know a batter’s BABIP to know how lucky (or skilled) he is at putting a ball where fielders could reach the ball but don’t. In contradistinction to that, one would want to know a team/pitcher’s BABIP to know how effective that pitcher/team is at putting balls where they can be reached/reaching balls that can be reached. So I guess knowing how could that player is at putting balls where they can’t be reached, or how bad that pitcher/team is at keeping balls where they can be reached/reaching balls that can be reached wouldn’t matter for this statistic. Wow, I guess that was kind of obvious, but apparently not for me. I had to work that one out for a bit.
So what about a ball that bounced off an outfielder’s glove (or head—hello, Jose Canseco) and over the fence? In theory, at least, a fielder could possibly have made a play on that ball.
by Matt Erickson on Apr 13, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I would think that would be something along the lines of
an extremely rare anomaly. How many batters have gotten a home run like that in their careers? Have any had it happen twice?
I can only think of two.
Jose Canseco and when Jason Michaels had the ball in his glove about 5-6 feet from the wall and in some weird nonsense he flipped it up over the wall.
Lets call in an anomaly.
That has happened one time in the history of baseball
I think we can call it negligible against the millions of other batted balls in play
by seattlebruin on Apr 13, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
They'd be classified as HR and therefore not in play
Clearly this is wrong but it happens so infrequently that nobody would care too much
by Graham MacAree on Apr 13, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
And that's exactly what I was guessing.
Yay for thinking about baseball numbers… now back to bending over and letting calc have its way with my sphincter.
by Matt Erickson on Apr 13, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Huh
I believe you, just that it seems counterintutive to exclude home runs from the stat. I assumed a stat measuring “balls in play” would include all in-play batted balls hit between the white lines. If a ball goes over the fence, all the better.
by lemonverbena on Apr 13, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps an easier way to think of it would be
“balls in play that can reasonably be defended against” or something like that.
If you include homers, it's just batting average, and we already have that stat.
By removing homers, we can at least get closer to understanding how much a hitter/pitcher has been helped/hurt by defense and luck.
Removing homers also helps in evaluating a team’s defensive efficiency. If you add homers, defenders who play behind homer-prone pitchers are unfairly penalized.
I understand what you’re saying, but we already know how many homers a guy has hit. What we’re trying to do with BABIP isn’t to measure a player’s skill, but to gauge if he’s been unlucky or not. Include homers, and you’re favoring guys who hit more homers.
Someone can explain this better than I can, but what I’m saying is we already have stats to reward a guy for hitting homers. BABIP is a supplemental number that we use to learn a little more.
by Teej on Apr 13, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd for noticing your own flaw.
Meant in fun.
BABIP is not really designed to measure a hitter's skill though
I have always viewed it more as a measurement of a hitter’s luck, and/or a measurement of the defense and how it affects a pitcher/hitter
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by tootthekazoo on Apr 13, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I couldn't tell out in RF, but was Milton getting heckled by the fans over there in the field? Sounded like it.
I fucking hate you Mariners
I was sitting in the left field stands and there were quite a few fans down on Milton after he flubbed that grounder.
Of course, these were the same fans that cheered like hell when he almost through that guy out at home plate. Go figure that they cheer good plays and jeer bad ones.
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It's going to be great to get their bats in the line-up....
Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.
by Rich Langford on Apr 13, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Shit
Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.
by Rich Langford on Apr 13, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently it was a bad attempt at sarcasm.
Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.
by Rich Langford on Apr 13, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude, they'll be in time for interleague.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on Apr 13, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Pessimistic schedule fot Lee is a week into May
optimistic schedule for Bedard is late May, from what I’ve read.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 13, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Great write-up
I agree… its the old cliche, divisions aren’t won in April, but they can be lost. If we get on a roll and miss the playoffs by a few games, we’re all going to be looking back to the first week of the season thinking “Damn, if only we had played well THEN”. I don’t want that to happen. Things need to turn around quick.
It's not helping that we're a bit banged up right now
by seattlebruin on Apr 13, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Are we really banged up? We're missing one key player.
Can’t really use Bedard since we knew he was going to be out for a few months
I don't think a back-up infielder is a good example of how "banged-up" we are.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on Apr 13, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, because literally not having anyone else on the team who can passably play SS or 2B is a good thing
by seattlebruin on Apr 13, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Valid point. I'm not saying it doesn't suck that he's hurt. It's just not whats making us lose.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on Apr 13, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not helping and we'll be a better team when he returns
also, with Hannahan out, you cannot pinch-hit for Jack Wilson, which is bad
by seattlebruin on Apr 13, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I see what you're saying.
In the long run though what does his contribution really equal? 1 win if he plays really well?
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on Apr 13, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Flexibility is a good thing, and the alternatives are Josh Wilson or Matthew Tuisasosopo
but yeah, probably like 1-1.5 WAR sounds reasonable
by seattlebruin on Apr 13, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that what it really comes down to.
We have a weird amount of flexibility at some positions and then none at others. I think Hannahan would probably help this some. When is he supposed to come back anyway?
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on Apr 13, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Once again, I'm having a hard time recalling a situation this year
where Hannahan would have gotten a start, or gone into a game as a defensive replacement and made an impact.
I’m also having a hard time recalling a situation where Jack Wilson has had to bat in a situation that we could have used a pinch hitter. Moreover, the bench bats are so terrible, I have a hard time believing Wak would have ever seriously considered pinch hitting for Wilson.
Hannahan has value in that he can spell Wilson when he gets banged up for a few days. Other than that, I fail to see how he’s considered a key member of this team.
A's fan here
Hannahan was hard to watch in an Oakland Uniform. Unless Alan Cockrell has worked a miracle, I’d imagine his impact would be minimal.
Hannahan allows the team to pinch hit for Wilson in the late innings without being too great of a defensive falloff.
He’s a better option for spot starts than anyone else available as well.
And actually has a little offensive upside!
No, Jack Hannahan isn’t a savior. But he’s not terrible either, and he’s a good defensive player, which is a pretty huge plus
by seattlebruin on Apr 13, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to argue that having Hannahan would help...
But after the PH penalty, is Tui instead of Wilson enough of an offensive upgrade to overcome the defensive impact from going Wilson to Hannahan?
Tui wouldn't even be the guy pinch hitting, he's not on
this team if Hannahan is.
So it’s Mike Sweeney or Griffey as your PH.
They're both significantly better hitters than Wilson
by seattlebruin on Apr 13, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Pinch-hitting penalty negates virtually any difference.
With Griffey, you get a little boost as long as it’s against a RHP, but it’s like 5-10 wOBA points difference, which is 3 runs over the course of a season or .005 runs over one PA.
The difference between Wilson and Hannahan is about .01 runs over one inning.
So it’s a downgrade even then.
What about that game in Oakland where Wilson struck out with the bases loaded?
If Hannahan was healthy, Wak could have used a pinch hitter there. And I don’t think that was the only situation.
by I Lick Squirrels on Apr 13, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
That's the only situation I recall. And that was in like the sixth
inning. Wak rarely pinch hits, so I’m not going to assume he would have been willing to make a switch there.
Plus, once again, who is pinch hitting, our bench bats stink and you have to factor in the PH penalty
So was Davis out at the plate?
I’m guessing the right call was made but it looked close from far away.
I want to know about the play at first.
That seemed amazingly obvious from my seats in RF, but didn’t get a replay.
Obviously.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on Apr 13, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This too. He looked out from where I was as well.
by Mariner John on Apr 13, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
HD Replays and Pitch F/X
coupled with old school resistance to instant replay is really making me hate umpires.
by TheBishop on Apr 13, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was in the first row of section 320 looking right down on that play.
Seemed like he was out by a mile.
He looked safe on the replays I saw.
It was a great throw, pretty bad tag. It was Davis though and he is fucking fast.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on Apr 13, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I like how Rob Johnson has played the catcher position long enough to make a professional team as one
And yet he still has no concept of how to block home plate.
Actually, no, I don’t like it.
I was just surprised Johnson caught it.
by Mariner John on Apr 13, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Progress!
Wish he would do it when Felix pitches.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on Apr 13, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I had the benefit of a few replays.
Davis made a great hook slide and Johnson whiffed on the tag. I’m not sure Rob even had a chance, to be honest.
I don't think so. Bradley's throw was awesome, but the last hop slowed it down quite a bit.
That slight delay gave Davis the advantage and his slide kept his body well away from the tag.
Good to know.
It happened lighting quick from the upper deck. The one at first was fucking obvious though. That stupid mother fucker didn’t have an angle but because he’s a god damn umpire he can’t appeal or use replay.
You have a chance if you block the plate.
It’s simple as that. Am I saying he would have made the play? No, but he’d have had a chance.
Davis beat the hop to Johnson's glove.
Had he blocked the plate, he Davis would have trucked him and the ball would have been rolling free somewhere.
Hard to fault anyone for that, really.
You’re going to have a hard time gunning down Davis on a ball that deep.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 13, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Johnson never touched him
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 13, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Alright, good to know.
I was pretty far away and of course couldn’t see a replay so I was just curious.
by Mariner John on Apr 13, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I was shocked at the tepid response for Randy Johnson.
There were probably ~5 people in my section standing and cheering, the rest were on their butts.
Yeah I was expecting a Griffey-esque homecoming reaction.
People cheered but it wasn’t as deafening as I had built it up to in my mind leading up to the game.
It didn't help that he walked from center field so the applause was somewhat diluted by the time he got to the mound.
by Mariner John on Apr 13, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
He got huge applause when he was back here last year
and you have to remember that some people (stupidly) have negative feelings towards him because of the way both side parted ways
Randy got huge applause (as I recall) when he came back with the D-Backs in the first week Safeco was open
And got a good response when he started the 2001 All-Star game. Not like he’s never been back.
by lemonverbena on Apr 13, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Were you at the game, if so, then I'd love to be corrected, since I find it
amusing (in bad way) that Seattle appreciates Dan Wilson more than Randy Johnson.
Randy Johnson had a minute long loud standing ovation
Dan Wilson got a cheer.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 13, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
There were two guys in front of me that damn near fainted with joy when Randy walked out.
I swear it was like being at a Michael Jackson concert and watching all those teenaged girls falling over.
Because we’re rebels. Accurate, intelligent, introspective rebels. And damn proud of it my friend. - CapSea
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
People were surprised?
We called that before the game. Seemed very typical of how this team likes to milk the entire 1995 roster for all they are worth.
I know what you mean, I thought the same thing.
But I think it’s just due to the applause for Randy finally dying down a bit in anticipation for the pitch. Then the Dan Wilson announcement was made and it spiked again.
I thought the reception was fine, everyone was standing and cheering in my section (328).
I was about 40 rows up around the Home Plate/dugout section.
The ovation was loud and everyone was on their feet.
Randy took a moment to stand by himself out in the mound and wave to all the people. The ovation died a little at that point. So when Wilson came out and everyone realized that it wouldn’t be … I don’t know Rob Johnson or Jesus Colome catching the first pitch, then the crowd went wild. The new ovation wasn’t just about Wilson, it was because the old team was back together again.
I can just picture RJ dropping that 58 mph fastball. Getting crossed up you know.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on Apr 13, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I can hear the interview now.
RJ: I was expecting some high heat, but he threw that little looper. How do you catch something like that? The guys crafty!
by mark sobba on Apr 13, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ahem... RJ= Randy Johnson (aka the big unit)
If you want to use 2 letters for Rob Johnson you could use DB. I doubt anyone would mind.
Is DB Designated Bitch?
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
by beastwarking on Apr 13, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Opening day crowd can be a little different.
Even so, I know I’m not the type of fan that likes to hoot and holler. The most you’ll get out of me is some standing and clapping and that’s about it.
Honestly?
Where I was sitting it was people standing and screaming their heads off as far as I could see.
Everyone clapped and yelled non-stop for Randy in my section-2nd tier off left field.
And no boo birds for Bradley. I was just happy to see EDGAR. :) I love him.
It could be a long while for the Griffey challenge people.
Don’t kill anyone.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
At least I won't contract diabetes anytime soon.
And yes, I know that it takes more than just sugar to trigger it.
by Mariner John on Apr 13, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks Captain Obvious...I hadn't noticed this fact.
You can take your observations and…sorry, I’m a little cranky.
Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.
by Rich Langford on Apr 13, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I bet you are.
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on Apr 13, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Which one was that? One of the dumbasses next to me?
by Mariner John on Apr 13, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
As we were leaving the stadium a guy tried to shove his way in front of me
I removed him from the vicinity and he was apparently unimpressed.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 13, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
That's funny because there was a Japanese guy behind me trying to heckle a racist using slurs.
Because we’re rebels. Accurate, intelligent, introspective rebels. And damn proud of it my friend. - CapSea
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
I love Johjima!
I fucking hate you Mariners
I'm pretty sure of the exact moment the season went down the crapper.
Game 2, pulling Shawn Kelley after only 3 batters faced and 18 pitches thrown.
by Kermit. on Apr 13, 2010 1:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You make it seem like this is football
and loosing the second game in a tight division against a rival spells doom for us all
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
by beastwarking on Apr 13, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm pretty confident that was the moment the bell rang.
by Kermit. on Apr 13, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, they should fire one of the coaches.
Seems like the usual thing to do in these situations.
by Kermit. on Apr 13, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Shouldn't we go after the one everyone hates?
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by beastwarking on Apr 13, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
In all honesty I was expecting someone to reply with Mike Sweeney again.
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by beastwarking on Apr 13, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Don Wakamatsu needs to go apeshit on an umpire.
Guaranteed method of igniting a team in a slump.
I'm really not too concerned yet, but
I am pretty annoyed with our pitching. I know our offence is not great, but we knew that long before the season started. Our pitching, on other hand, has been seriously troublesome. Maybe they did not get enough work in during spring training, maybe they just have not found their grove, whatever it is they really need to get their shit together.
Fuck the Angels
I imagine there are a lot of groves to search through in Washington to find the right one.
The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com
This team has been flat out not fun to watch, that's the worst part for me.
I hope Lee and Bedard coming back can remedy that, and we start hitting more dingers.
The "Believe Big" marketing campaign is perhaps the worst slogan they could have chosen
I hate it so much. This team has a small, rapidly decreasing chance of making the playoffs, nothing bigger than that. Marketing sucks.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Apr 13, 2010 2:27 PM PDT reply actions
Strongly agree
I really think they should have gone with something like ‘the future is here’ or something.
Something that would have accented the fact that Guti and Felix are signed to long term contract. No matter what happens this season, as we build to the future we can be happy that two of our best players are here long-term.
that seems like a much better marketing plan to get people here now and in coming years.
by Snuffleupagus on Apr 13, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
"Where the future meets the present"?
Obvious understanding is the Felix/Guti point to which you alluded. Perhaps more of a veiled reference to the FO’s practice of maximizing inefficiencies in the market, thus setting trends for the future (defense…?).
by Matt Erickson on Apr 13, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Ever since the Mets started the whole "Your Season Has Come" slogan
I’ve been adamantly against slogans. I can’t remember if that was 2006 or 2007, but lets just say after the 2007 collapse, there was really no reason to have a slogan in Flushing. I hate the fact that Mariners even have one
2010 Seattle Mariners: This team has a small, rapidly decreasing chance of making the playoffs
Hm. Don’t think that one’s going to drive ticket sales.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Apr 13, 2010 2:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
2010 Seattle Mariners: You Don't Jerk One Until Griffey Does
Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.
by Rich Langford on Apr 13, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 12 recs
I really want to panic, but the A's are scoring runs and we aren't.
And I just look at the lineups and realize there shouldn’t be this big of a gap.
Their hits are falling and our aren't
I think we’ll be fine
by seattlebruin on Apr 13, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Would be more optimistic, if they weren't hitting so many hard balls, and the M's
hitting so many weak balls.
Of course I expect we’ll turn this around and guys will hit like the back of their baseball cards, but I’m not going to chalk this start up to just the other teams getting lucky with their BABIP and us hitting into hard outs.
From what I’ve seen the A’s have put together much better at-bats and hit the ball with a lot greater authority then our guys.
In my opinion, our struggles on offense aren’t luck driven, it’s the result of poor approach and guys pressing.
The plan to be patient and see lots of pitches
doesn’t work if you don’t get any base runners. If every batter sees 5 pitches before getting out. The starter can still make it deep into the game. Frustrating.
I want to see this lineup tonight:
Ichiro – RF
Figgins – SS
Bradley – DH
Gutierrez – CF
Tuiasosopo – 3B
Lopez – 2B
Kotchman – 1B
Moore – C
Byrnes – LF
Good luck with that. No way Figgins is going to play SS. I'm just hoping we get Byrnes
in LF, and Tui over at 1B.
If we add 50 points in wOBA by doing this it makes up for our defensive downgrade.
I’m in class so I don’t want to run the numbers right now, but I can’t imagine it’s more than negligibly worse than the lineup that will be run out tonight.
Can we start Adam Dunn at DH?
And Youkilis at 3rd?
by Matt Erickson on Apr 13, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
You're talking about 2.5-3.5 wins from defence alone
by Graham MacAree on Apr 13, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is 50-70 points in wOBA, right?
Tui over Wilson is maybe 30 points… Alright, so we’re 1-2 wins down, but at least the offense will be a little more entertaining!
Yes but lateral moves don't get us anywhere
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
by beastwarking on Apr 13, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
It was really just an exercise in putting our best offensive team on the field and putting them in positions.
Turns out it’s not a good idea.
Oh yeah!
And the defense will be less so. What a trade.
by Matt Erickson on Apr 13, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
It's nice to see Tui taking the "local guy who isn't actually very good" irrational love spot
That Willie Bloomquist left vacant, the bastard.
Without appearing supremely bitchy;
Watching Nick Johnson go yard today pissed me off proper.
Rob Johnson
Why in the world do we still have Rob Johnson? Dude isn’t clutch, isn’t good, and that four year old kid in that Deadspin story today can hit better then him.
Either way, I’m just venting. I’ve had less fun watching this team play this year than all of last year. No lie. At times, I just want to punch the TV out of sheer frustration.
by Charles Gipson is a Mangod on Apr 13, 2010 2:46 PM PDT reply actions
But he looks like a sad puppy...he might cry...
Everything is Rob Johnson's fault.
by the other side on Apr 13, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Griffey does look done though, right?
I could have sworn he got ‘all of it’ on the last out yesterday and it didn’t even make the warning track. Obviously one swing doesn’t finish the guy, but he reminded me of Sexson up there waving/watching 87 mph’s right down the middle and can’t make contact. Plus the extra 30 lbs. Bench coach only.
I have a cousin with 1 testicle, when they yell play ball, he smiles.
Griffey will be fine.
I heard that the team just bought an incubator for him to sit in before games to simulate summer weather.
I would be ok with losing
If Jose Lopez would just get a testicle contusion and play through it for the rest of the game.
We can’t even get THAT much entertainment out of the team thus far.
I wasn't referring to the pain itself as entertainment
But the witnessing the awesome badasserry of a guy playing through such an injury is entertaining.
True, but I don't think it was beyond the realm of speculation that there may have been some ball damage.
Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.
by Rich Langford on Apr 13, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
But Loafie isn't a badass.
He’s a league average player and that’s probably as good as he’ll ever get.
I had a similar moment before a game once
It was Griffey’s first game back with Cincinnati, in 2007. They showed that highlight video on the big screen, and had the on-field presentation, and Griffey’s little speech. I turned to the guy sitting next to me and said “I could go home happy right now.” Nine innings of 16-2 ball later, I was feeling quite prescient.
Yeah, I was at that game too
From the first pitch onward it was a miserable, miserable game. I remember when the “fans” started booing Feierabend for throwing to first with Griffey on. That seriously pissed me off. But hey! We got to see the debut of RRS! So that’s something.
Oh yeah, and we lost 1-16, not 2-16. Just to make it a little worse there.
by Karma Police on Apr 13, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I know it is too early to panic, but this would be a lot easier to take if
we did not have a DH who can’t hit, a left fielder who can’t field, and Hannah Montana at catcher who can’t do either.

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