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Eric Byrnes vs Ryan Langerhans

While the Cliff Lee situation plods along toward a resolution, I figured it was worth a look, prompted by the idea of Mike Salk, to compare Eric Byrnes, our likely 3.5th outfielder, to Ryan Langerhans, the man most likely to lose his job in the wake of a 12-man pitching staff. What follows are some general thoughts about the two.

Eric Byrnes offers a very different hitting profile than that of Ryan Langerhans. For instance, he bats right-handed. But the differences do not end there! Byrnes is a contact hitter. He swings at about half the pitches he sees and makes contact about 85% of the time. As a result about 75% of his plate appearances end with Byrnes making contact. 

Ryan Langerhans tends to swing at pitches in the low 40% range. It's not a huge difference from Byrnes, but Langerhans is much less adept at hitting the ball when he swings, doing so only about 70% of the time. While Byrnes is expected to run about a 6% walk rate and 16% strikeout rate, Langerhans is at about 12% walk and 30% strikeout leading to about 55% of his plate appearances ending with contact made.

Once contact is made, more of Langerhans' batted balls are on the ground or line drives than Byrnes, who is more prone to fly balls. Langerhans probably has slightly better power than Byrnes, but he gives it fewer opportunities by dint of hitting fewer balls in the air. One plus to that however is that Langerhans avoids Byrnes' penchant for the pop up, something we're all too familiar with after our battling middle infield duo from the past few seasons.

Byrnes does offer a significant speed advantage to Langerhans and though he hasn't been an asset with steals the last two seasons, he has battled some injuries during that span. In the five seasons from 2003-7, Byrnes stole 109 bases and was caught just 15 times. If his legs are healthy this season, that could be a potentially significant asset.

Defensively, the two are about even. Byrnes has more of a sample size in left field which speaks to him being about +5-10 over a full season in left field while Langerhans has the slightly better numbers with fewer innings logged. I would call it a wash.

Typing Byrnes' name irritates me to no end. The 'y' instead of 'u' I could get over, but to do that I have to think 'Burns' so that my muscle memory doesn't try to type the 'r' first ('ry' being more frequent than 'yr') but then I get tripped up by the added 'e'. It's as if Byrnes was born into being a nuisance. Ryan Langerhans flies through this test though a nice short nickname would help.

Byrnes also brings an entertainment factor with him as his goofiness and general love of diving will make him a lightning rod for comments. Langerhans counters by being unremarkable personality-wise and hitting game-winning walk-off home runs. I'll call that a push.

In a neutral environment and given that neither are full time starters, I would expect Langerhans and Byrnes to offer ultimately similar production with the bat and glove. For Seattle however, I prefer Langerhans due to the left-handed bat and the four years of youth and generally better physical condition that he has on Byrnes. Even with that, I wouldn't expect much in the way of difference.

I really liked the idea of having both on the team in a sort of three-way time share of left field with Milton Bradley, but if the team's idea is to have Milton playing the field most of the time so as to give Ken Griffey Jr. and (I guess) Mike Sweeney playing time at DH, then having both is a luxury.

I'd rather the team lose Byrnes than Langerhans, but since Langerhans has made it through the system once already and is a lesser "name", I can see how the Mariners might expect him to be the less likely of the two to be claimed. Ultimately, I hope the team gets back to an 11-man staff and we can have both players, but for now it appears that Langerhans is going to be the odd man out, and while sad, I'm okay with that.

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For spelling just think of David Byrne...

Only he’s multiplied in size a few times over the years, and now he’s Byrnes.

by Sidi on Mar 29, 2010 1:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Over/Under on how many times

Matthew types Brynes instead of Byrnes this season?

Rooting for lovable losers since 1984.

by seattlecougar on Mar 29, 2010 2:32 PM PDT reply actions  

I prefer Langerhans if only because he goes bow-hunting with Ken Griffey Jr.

I don’t think Byrnes brings anything comparable to the table—perhaps he has an unpublicized fondness for demolition derby that he might publicly and hilariously indulge in with Ichiro?

by Chris Hafner on Mar 29, 2010 3:14 PM PDT reply actions  

According to Drayer, he owns his own jeans company.

I demand a collaberation between him and Ichiro’s brother.

Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.

by JAH on Mar 29, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

He has a whole clothing line

You can check it out here. A collaboration between him and Ichiro’s brother would be interesting.

by seattle_since_81 on Mar 30, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Longerhons

I wish we could just pronounce it the German way. Those “a” sounds are some of the ugliest in English, if you ask me.

by paulkersey on Mar 29, 2010 3:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks for the writeup Matthew

I was hoping someone smart would do this, in my totally unscientific back-of-my-head calculations it seemed like they were about equal, given the whole package each way.

Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle

by appleshampoo on Mar 29, 2010 5:43 PM PDT reply actions  

I like both.

I would like Byrnes a bit more if there was a clear spot for him to play against lefties. That grit, hustle and soul crap is kind of fun when some actual talent backs it up.

by JonBBT on Mar 29, 2010 6:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Byrnes is wearing number 1

That looks ridiculous on a baseball player. Langerhans is a clear front runner by using the better looking 12.

by Snowman1025 on Mar 29, 2010 7:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Pancreas.

Can we call him pancreas?

by tintin on Mar 29, 2010 7:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Not really.

Baker has been calling him Islets of Langerhans for a while.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/

by JY on Mar 30, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

If I thought Byrnes would be in LF against every lefty, I'd go with him

But with Wak apparently doing his best to ignore platoon splits, I guess Langerhans would be better. Byrnes stinks against righties (last 2 years wOBA of .269 and .251), and I’m afraid Wak will play him against righties in a lot of situations. Sometimes I think Wak goes out of his way to play guys who have historically hit bad in certain situations. He already pinch hits less than any other manager in baseball.

by Mekias on Mar 30, 2010 6:23 AM PDT reply actions  

SHINY SHINY BAFFLE BUNCH

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/

by JY on Mar 30, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

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