Cliff Lee's Not Doing So Hot
by Jeff Sullivan on Mar 19, 2010 4:24 PM PDT
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Geoff Baker reported earlier that Cliff Lee took a flight back to Seattle. Larry Stone tells us why:
Mystery solved: Cliff Lee has a right lower abdominal strain and was treated in Seattle today by team doctor Edward Khalfayan.
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Lee underwent ultra-sound and was given platelet rich plasma (PRP) injection. He'll be re-evaluated in seven days.
On its own, this isn't horrible news. But then you go to the online injury tool and plug in "Cliff Lee" and get some unpleasant results. In 2003, Lee strained his right abdomen in camp and missed a bunch of time, only making 23 starts on the year between AAA and the bigs. Then, in 2007, Lee again strained his right abdomen in camp and missed most of April. That's a history, and when there's a history, one becomes worried.
PRP is promising, as it seems to have worked well on other injuries to other players, but this is both disappointing and ominous. Not only will Lee miss time now - these sorts of injuries also have a nasty tendency to linger, which, yeah. Welcome back, baseball!
I'm guessing this will probably stretch into the season. What a day.
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Hilarious* update: Stone says the team believes Lee got hurt in his home plate collision with Chris Snyder.
*not hilarious
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The Itchy and Scrappy Show??
FML
Does the World Series trophy come with a plate of bacon?
by PositivePaul on Mar 19, 2010 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Hi Jarrod!
Hey it’s me Jack Z! What’s up man! We should go get some nachos real soon…
by moyerLIVES on Mar 19, 2010 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Be careful what you wish for
I wouldn’t be surprised if Z actually did make an “exploratory” phone call.
The upside of such a move, however, is that when Lee is healthy (and especially when Bedard is), they can turn Wash into a reliever.
Beat me to it!
I had just written a reply to Jeff’s post before scrolling up to see if anyone else mentioned the “Jarrod can cover for him and then relief” angle…
Besides, at this point I think I’d trust Washburn more than 3/4 of the rest of April’s rotation.
He'd still need to get stretched out though
At this point he wouldn’t be ready by opening day either.
Oh Hamburgers.
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
by appleshampoo on Mar 19, 2010 4:31 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
So close, Jeff. So close.
…consider what this place would be like if it came out tomorrow that Felix Hernandez would miss the first month of the year. There’d be hysteria. There’d be a few cries of “season over!”, and though that’s clearly overdramatic, there’d be a lot of ruminating over how significant an effect the news would have on our playoff chances. People would not take it well.
The truth of the matter, of course, is that Felix is a 5-6 WAR player. As a 5-6 WAR player, then, we should expect a month-long absence to cost the team about one win. One win is small. Significant, but small. And yet, even on a site like this – one of the more stat-friendly and stat-literate sites on the web – people would blow the effect out of proportion.
...something darker? (Why does Jeff hate Cliff Lee's obliques?)
The obvious conclusion: Jeff needs to stop having Thoughts.
Heh.
Wakamatsu: Lee believes he suffered abdominal strain during collision with Arizona’s Chris Snyder in Tucson last Monday.
I'm pissed at Synder.
I’m guessing Snyder still firmly believes that as the on-deck batter, he had right of way over the pitcher covering the plate.
by msb on Mar 19, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lee is faking this just to provide "evidence" that he didn't intentionally throw at Snyder
thus allowing him to reduce his suspension on appeal.
Brilliant!
by Matthew on Mar 19, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ugh.
That term has been bastardized to all hell. Not all forms of deceit or cunning are Machiavellian.
by Matthew on Mar 19, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think he meant the rapper
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Mar 22, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
New Public Enemy #1
Join the crew of Carlos Beltran, JD Drew, Wilson Betemit, Player A, and..uh…Nick Markakis? Okay, no one cared about Wash’s one-hitter.
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
by appleshampoo on Mar 19, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck you. I cared.
It was a near perfect game.
Actually, I did too, I was lucky enough to be there for that one
But it seemed to be subsequently marginalized by a lot of people.
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
by appleshampoo on Mar 19, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Because we all knew Jarrod's success was a mirage.
That said, the game was damn fun to be at.
Enemies
Don’t forget Bill Spiers who ran over Dave Valle’s leg on a “slide” (he didn’t slide…just stepped right on the leg) at home plate.
Or Tony Phillips who intentionally “entangled” Carlos Guillen though probably didn’t intend to hurt him…it was still a dick move.
I believe I was at both games, as well as the Manzanillo liner to the junk game and the A-Rod gets knocked stupid by Joey Cora’s brother game. I’m not good luck.
Should have linked to this picture of A-rod
post-collision…priceless
Amazing
The tension was so bad between the two teams last season that both were warned by league president Dr. Bobby Brown
by Jeff Sullivan on Mar 19, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I still hate Tony Phillips for that.
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Mar 19, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Why do players "collide" in Spring Training??
And why does the promised “1-2 punch” always end up being to my balls?
by short on Mar 19, 2010 5:02 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Missed this collision
So Snyder was on deck and ran into / was run into by Cliff? I’m surprised Wak wasn’t the one who threw at his head.
Shannon on 710
She mentions the two other times he strained the same area, and hopes that (with his experience of the previous strains) his finishing the game and taking a bullpen indicates that it is not as serious as it has in the past. Her worry is that he is already so far behind this spring, and now will lose more pitching time— maybe get one more game in before spring ends, best case scenario
She is wondering (and stresses this is only her speculating) if he might have to go on the DL, take the suspension after that, and then get back up to speed for a very cautious team— and if they’ll be taking more looks at the 3-5th starters and maybe even look outside if there will be a two week absence at the start of the season
I had forgotten that he threw in the bullpen after the ejection.
I suppose that’s encouraging.
If he goes on the disabled list that should make the suspension a moot point.
You take him off the disabled list five days before he is ready to pitch and let him sit out his suspension for those five days. Then start him on the day you originally planned.
From Philly:
What the hell did you guys do to him? He was fine when he left…
But in all seriousness, I kind of wished he was traded somewhere closer, that way I wouldn’t have to stay up so damn late just to watch him pitch. Yes, I know we have Halladay, but I’m never going to forget that Game 1 performance.
El Camino! El El Camino!
The front is like a car, the back is like a truck!
The front is where you drive, the back is where you
El Camino! El El Camino!
Hm, time to sign Jarrod Washburn if you can get him super cheap?
I didn’t want Washburn before, but he’s been an interesting pickup the past few weeks and with this it makes a little more sense.
Oh my god we ARE turning into the Angels.
Our ace pitchers are going down but which is bad but we’re going to somehow win the division.
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/3/26/811626/it-s-happening-again
You got slurved!
Once again...
Son of a bitch.
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
I'm too stunned to even be upset.
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
p.s. fuck you angels
So, let me get this straight.
Snyder interferes with a play he had no business in.
He causes an injury in said interference.
He walks towards the mound after a near miss.
And Cliff Lee gets suspended, and might miss a significant amount of time due to injury.
Great job, MLB. Real top notch work.
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
Dear Chris Snyder
Please die.
xoxo
by I Lick Squirrels on Mar 19, 2010 8:22 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
The bad news keeps coming.
Doug Fister was hit by a line drive in the forearm of his pitching arm and left the game. According to Baker, of course.
And Bradley ejected again.
Pretty disastrous news today all told.
Yup.
AAA umpire Jon Merry, behind home plate, calls a very high, very wide pitch a strike after Bradley starts down the line on what he (and everyone else) believes is ball four. Bradley apparently says something en route to the dugout, and is tossed.
And someone named Stubbs just hit an inside the park home-run off Guti & Ichiro.
Drew Stubbs perhaps?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
#8 overall pick in the '06 draft.
Some people were talking about him in the early goings as a possible link to the Mariners before all the other picks we now know developed.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/
I think I like Bradley even more every time this happens
by lemonverbena on Mar 20, 2010 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions
It certainly makes it easier to get on
The “even if you’re paranoid it doesn’t mean everybody’s not out to get you” train.
Why do we ever get fucking excited?
We’re a fan of a Seattle sports team. We’re doomed to be fucked, always and forever. Can someone please launch Snyder into space?
Carlos Silvelite
Stupid Chicago
Wah wah wah…We haven’t won a world series in over one-hundred years. Cry me a river. We’ve never won a world series.
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
Plus if we're talking cities
The White Sox* won in the past decade. The Bears have won a Superbowl. The Bulls won a bunch of, well, whatever they win in basketball. The only (men’s) pro team to ever win anything in Seattle has left town. Seattle may be on the Stanley Cup but that team doesn’t exist anymore either, and Chicago has the Black Hawks.
…* Yeah, I know, south side, north side, and never the twain shall meet. Fuck that — it’s like that Star Trek episode with the half-black/half-white aliens. They may see the distinction, but normal people don’t. They’re all Chicago sports fans. “Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son…” but in Chicago it’s a proud birthright.
Boy you sure do talk about how terrible fat people are a lot.
Also, I’m pretty sure most sports fans see a distinction between White Sox fans and Cubs fans.
by Aaron Campeau on Mar 20, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don't mind White Sox fans
but I’m not a huge Cub’s fans fan. And I was just talking about Cubs fans when I said stupid Chicago, but yeah, they win stuff. We don’t.
Right now I'm dreaming of Carl Crawford. Maybe next year...(or this year at the trade deadline)...
To be positive...
Edgar Martinez, Ken Griffey Junior, Ichiro Suzuki, and Randy Johnson were all Mariners for the majority of their career.
The best a winning franchise such as the Angels can do is Nolan Ryan, and he shuns them.
Carlos Silvelite
See Snyder, this is why Miguel Montero will always be better than you.
FUCK ERIC BYRNES FUCK ERIC BYRNES!
This could screw up the beginning of the season even more than just the start or two that Lee may miss.
The whole basis for the six man bullpen was that with Felix and Lee, they would not need a lot of relief help on two out of every five starts. If one of the five inning starters is taking Lee’s spot, that theory goes out the window. If they have to add a seventh man to the bullpen, the bench they are trying to put together is going to be in dis-array.
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