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Ron Washington Did Blow

Everybody's already heard this story, right? America loves famous people, loves drugs, and falls all over itself when famous people do drugs. Shouldn't be long before the media starts cutting famous people with knives and forks and branches they pick up just to prove that "they bleed like normal people bleed!"

Anyway, there are a number of jokes here in questionable taste that could be made. Josh Hamilton jokes. Jokes about how Ron Washington physically looks the part. Jokes about how people generally don't start dabbling in their 50s. Jokes at the Rangers' expense, jokes about how running that team can drive a man to drugs. If I really gave myself a little time I'm sure I could think of more, because I'm always astonished by my brain's capacity to function like that of a complete asshole.

But, to me, if there's any take-home message here, aside from the reminder that people make mistakes, even when they're 57, it's this: managing a baseball team is hard. It's hard work. You might get stressed out at your job, but eventually, you get to leave it. And if you take your work home with you, eventually, you get to sleep. A manager doesn't get breaks. He doesn't get days off, or opportunities to sip coffee on the patio. A manager is consumed by his work, and this doesn't even begin to address any stress he might be dealing with in his personal life. Ron Washington manages a baseball team, and he's married, and his body is getting old.

Ron Washington has a lot going on. More, I imagine, than we could ever know. This, of course, is all speculation on my part, and I could be totally off-base, but I wouldn't be surprised if Washington got to the All-Star Break, recognized a limited window of opportunity to unwind a little bit, and seized it by the balls. That he was so up-front about it before results came back suggests that he was aware he made a mistake and doesn't do this all the time. And, in the end, that renders this sort of an insignificant story. The only lesson to be learned here is that maybe next time Washington should smoke weed like everybody else.

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Beat me to it.

FUCK ERIC BYRNES FUCK ERIC BYRNES!

by Goose on Mar 17, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is incredibly difficult to test positive for cocaine.

You have to be tested within about 16-20 hours of doing it.

by Sec 108 on Mar 17, 2010 12:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Depends on the threshold of the test, and the amount you use

If you are a light user, you should be clear from any left in your system after 3 days. If you are a heavy user, it could actually be weeks.

by arbeck77 on Mar 17, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Three weeks would never happen. Ever.

Why? Because in my experience people who use narcotics also tend to know how to flush them quickly. It is a very strange game they play, but they do the drugs knowing full well they get tested regularly and I think they enjoy the game.

by Sec 108 on Mar 17, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can't "flush" them

You can drink something that masks them for 4-5 hours or so, which is plenty of time to pass a test. And that only works for a urinalysis.

And is it really your contention that people who use illegal drugs enjoy the challenge of being tested, w/ a positive result being the loss of a job? Really?

"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

by Brian Thomas on Mar 17, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. Known quite a few.

You sound like you got your opinions from a bad afternoon special.

"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

by Brian Thomas on Mar 17, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hello and welcome to LL.

You do not know me. You have three comments here and two are ripping on me. You might want to chill out a bit. I am 38 years old and haven’t seen an afternoon special in nearly 24 years. I have however known far too many addicts in my lifetime.

Just for your information, the vast majority of people I have known to have cocaine issues fit into three categories. Entertainment (mostly musicians), medical professionals and lawyers. Medical professionals and lawyers are often afflicted with a god complex that makes their addictions rather interesting. Yes, they do in fact get a charge off of fooling their bosses, clients, wives and basically anyone else. It feeds into the superiority complex they have. It is not unusual.

In fact it is almost as unusual as a post about cocaine use in the Rangers clubhouse.

by Sec 108 on Mar 17, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

He has more comments than that

The other ones were pretty annoying as well

by Graham on Mar 17, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

You really know how to hold a grudge

Wasn’t that like 3-4 years ago?

"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

by Brian Thomas on Mar 17, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hello, Sec 108

There’s no need to take offense. I count one “rip,” not 2, if you can really call the afternoon special comment a “rip.” And I’ve spent a good deal of time reading LOL over the years, and from what I’ve seen, my comments were well below the sarcasm/abrasiveness standard typically practiced around here, which is the way it should be. We’re men, after all, if we were supposed to get bent out of shape about every caustic barb lobbed our way, we’d have vaginas.

The first comment I made directed at you was in response to this:

It is incredibly difficult to test positive for cocaine. You have to be tested within about 16-20 hours of doing it.

 
This is egregiously false. I have no idea where you got that from, but you were misinformed.

Then you categorically stated that “… people who use narcotics also tend to know how to flush them quickly.” This is also false, since most illegal recreational drugs, coke included, cannot be flushed from the system.

In that same comment, you essentially posit that people who could lose their career over a failed drug test actually still prefer that the testing is in place, because the thrill of getting over on people outweighs their love of their livelihood/job security. I find that pretty ridiculous and counterintuitive, but obviously this is a matter that can’t be proven. We can agree to disagree on that one if you want.
 
And then there’s this:

the vast majority of people I have known to have cocaine issues fit into three categories. Entertainment (mostly musicians), medical professionals and lawyers.

That’s the type of cliche-driven stuff I’m talking about w/ the afternoon special snark. You can see that, right?

Regardless, I’m not some Halohaven moron who came over to be obnoxious and scoreboard and flame the site. You made some false claims, and I chimed in. I’m not trying to be a dick, and I’m certainly “chilled out” on the subject. This is just how I speak.

"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

by Brian Thomas on Mar 17, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you for the response. I have a few comments back.

Yes we are snarky here, but that is something we tend to reserve for people we actually know. Generally I limit my rudest comments here for the people I know best because they understand who I am away from my keyboard.

As for the drug testing comments I definitely did not feel the need to go into detail, but you asked for it. I graduated many years ago with a professional chemistry degree. One of my closest friends from the program runs a drug testing facility. There are a wide variety of ways to test for drugs but almost across the board companies and government agencies are only willing to pay for the cheapest version of it.

Due to that choice, while my comments were not 100% accurate they are accurate in regards to the tests that people actually have to take. Yes, “flush” is the wrong word to use there. Mask might be better. My friend said once that about 80% of positive tests are for weed, 15% for alcohol and only 5% for narcotics. Could they catch more narcotic users by using more expensive testing? Yes, but they do not.

As for the last point, that is in fact not cliche driven but rather anecdotal evidence. I firmly grasp the flimsy nature of anecdotal evidence, but you have provided absolutely zero information to show why my viewpoint is incorrect. It also plays into the fact that you have no idea who I am or why I have known the people I am referring to. Do you work with addicts? What exactly is giving you the idea that my comment is incorrect?

There is no afternoon special quality to what I said. I have watched narcotic addiction destroy some rather successful people. Yes, the life I have lived regrettably exposed me to a drug filled underbelly of society and I know it far better than most people. Until you give me something tangible to show me you know anything about it then I will continue to assume you are merely being contrary.

by Sec 108 on Mar 18, 2010 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's totally false

3-4 days is the window.

"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

by Brian Thomas on Mar 17, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Read it

Can you point me to the part where they claim it is out of your system in 16-20 hours? Cuz, I sure didn’t see it.

To be clear, I was talking about urinalysis, which is the predominant form of testing. That article simply stated that coke could be detected in hair samples for much longer, which is a real no-shitter. I even allude to that above.

"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

by Brian Thomas on Mar 17, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I bet they would prefer to not have known this.

My impression is that generally employers don’t care what their employees do in their free time, as long as they are not bringing it to work them. Testing usually has to do with insurance requirements.

by waldo rojas on Mar 17, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

How can you be an MLB manager and not "bring it to work with you" if you're using coke?

As Jeff said above, he is always on the job. He doesn’t go home every day after work. If he’s using coke, he’s likely doing it in a hotel that they paid for

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Mar 17, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Considering that he's in a very public position...

The Rangers deal very much in public relations, as does any major corporation. If I were in a managerial/directorial position of a major corporation, I’d want to know the instant anything negative happened to any of my personnel so that I could start planning a way to handle the situation.

It’s not that far of a logical leap for the average fan to go from, “Their manager was doing drugs, and the front office didn’t know?” to “What else don’t they know?” That’s a gigantic can of worms that can bring into question the entire organization’s decision-making ability.

by jwiscarson on Mar 17, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Consider what happened in this case.

The PR nightmare here is not that Ron W. used drugs, but that he tested positive for drugs and the results became public. Had there been no testing, there would have been no PR hit and this likely would never have become an issue. Assuming he’s not a cluck.

by waldo rojas on Mar 17, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

The issue here is that their manager is doing coke

The front office would want to know that. The manager oversees a very expensive group of players and a substance addiction would be quite detrimental to his job.

by ermac on Mar 17, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, the issue is that he tested positive and the test result became public.

My point is that if as long as his useage was not affecting his job performance, it is the random testing itself doing the harm here. To everyone, including RW, the Rangers, and MLB as a brand.

And to what end? If his useage was affecting his performance (showing up late/high, poor judgement, smelly), don’t you think that would have been caught and followed up on by mgmt?

by waldo rojas on Mar 17, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

A test won't always be the thing that becomes public

The Josh Hamilton pictures are a great example. Would it have been better for the club to find out through a drug test that their manager did coke, or through pictures showing up somewhere? I don’t see how it is a bad thing that managers are being tested. From what I’ve seen, random testing helps to clean up a sport not harm it.

by seattle_since_81 on Mar 17, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I see.

I misunderstood your perspective — I was arguing from a standpoint where management can’t do a whole lot about the testing that’s already in place. Don’t get me wrong: I think drug testing in this form isn’t exactly productive.

I made my case mostly because I don’t think the Rangers can really do a whole lot here. If they were a corporation operating on a (proverbial) island, I’d agree with you. Since they’re a franchise without a whole lot of say in this particular matter, I think they responded appropriately.

It’s impossible for any of us to say whether this was negatively affecting his personal ability to do his job, and to what end the Rangers (or any group of managers in a similar position) could determine that his performance changes were due to drug use before requesting that he take a drug test and/or submit to a stint in rehab.

by jwiscarson on Mar 18, 2010 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

That didn't answer his question

"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

by Brian Thomas on Mar 17, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

The point you made wasn't hard to grasp

Can you answer his question or not?

"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

by Brian Thomas on Mar 17, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's it?

Everybody’s doing it?

I understand why bus drivers and pilots and accountants and the like get tested. Explain to me why off field baseball personnel get tested. What is the rationale behind that?

"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

by Brian Thomas on Mar 17, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because they're part of the clubhouse, or in Washington's case, are in control of the clubhouse

And a drug user is more likely to be tolerant of drug use from others, would be the rationale for it I guess. It’s an environment thing,

by OlSalty on Mar 17, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are that dense.

The point is not “everybody is doing it.” The point is employers have every reason to make sure their employees are competent at their jobs. If you are doing illegal things at home, it can and does effect job performance.

by Wilder. on Mar 17, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh. By everybody, I meant employers, obviously, not employees

That point should have been clear with my bus driver/pilot/accountant question. It is precisely this lemming like acceptance of invasions to personal privacy that I’m questioning.

If you are doing illegal things at home, it can and does effect job performance.

I don’t think that’s necessarily true. So, I repeat, please explain to me how a baseball manager doing some bumps over the all star break effects his job performance?

"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

by Brian Thomas on Mar 17, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh, yeah, I know what you meant by everybody. Still not the point.

Drug testing has nothing to do with the invasion of personal privacy. Drug testing is a tool for employers to evaluate a person’s competency and trust.

A baseball manager is a position of trust. If he is doing illegal things, how can his players trust his decision making? How can the his employers?

The question should be regarding this issue: why was this information made public? This issue should have been kept between MLB, the Texas Rangers, and Ron Washington. Now that is a matter of personal privacy.

by Wilder. on Mar 17, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

From

This article

Just two years ago, Washington and other managers would not have been subject to testing. But as part of the recommendations made by the Mitchell Report in December 2007, baseball added testing for managers, coaches and clubhouse personnel.

by Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth on Mar 17, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alas, that doesn't include Selig

I’d love to know what he seems to be on. Other than multiple martinis.

by wandergeist on Mar 17, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Selig?

I think he’s a lich.

by Paul AB on Mar 17, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I am just glad it is not PED's

I just couldn’t stand to have the integirity of the game questioned by the use of managers using performance enhancer’s. Wait…maybe coke is a PED for a manager.

Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.

by noontide on Mar 17, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn! sp integrity

Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.

by noontide on Mar 17, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where's the John McLaren Did Suck post

and the Bill Bavasi Did Suck & Blow for that matter?

by Janic on Mar 17, 2010 12:59 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Hands up everybody who thought the foul lines were chalk!

Ron Washington and I can’t be the only ones surprised.

by wandergeist on Mar 17, 2010 1:07 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Well this pretty much guarentees he's out at season's end.

We humans sure do have a way with f’n up a good thing.

by Omerta on Mar 17, 2010 2:49 PM PDT reply actions  

I think he'll be fine

He admitted this to the Rangers last July when the test came back positive from everything that I have read. Since they didn’t can him then or at the end of the season, I don’t see why they would do anything now just because it became public.

by seattle_since_81 on Mar 17, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he's not going anywhere.

Unfortunately for those of us in Texas who can’t stand him.

Our players love him and I think our front office fears some kind of a reprisal if they upset that “chemistry”. Otherwise he would’ve been sacked in 2008 when we went like 0-25 in April, or somewhere else along the line for simply being terrible at his job.

For our front office this is probably just old news that had already been dealt with internally last year and wasn’t supposed to come out in the media thanks to MLB’s confidentiality agreement.

Ron Washington is: The Bad Manager - Port of Call New Orleans

by lonestarJon on Mar 18, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

You know its funny

managers/players get DUIs, and it seems to not make as big of a dent as recreational use of drugs, despite the danger posed to everyone else.

by Ballard Erik on Mar 17, 2010 3:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Probably because the average person drinks,

but the average person doesn’t use cocaine. Unless you’re Dr.Rockso.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Mar 17, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

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