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Remember the Kirby Arnold article from the other day where he was talking about the training camp the M's are running for their minor leaguers right now?

Well, I finally got around to writing about it, after figuring out how best to frame it.

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This is a good thing?

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by Bearskin Rugburn on Feb 5, 2010 11:12 AM PST reply actions  

It is.

I’m pretty confident Moore/Saunders will be back in some capacity later, less sure about Tui/Carp, but Zduriencik seemed to be big on doing this 2010 push.

This is completely separate from the camp effort currently though. I don’t think they’re going to hold it against the older players that this institution wasn’t in place when they were coming up. As we saw in September, the M’s did make that effort to provide Saunders with individualized instruction as well.

This is more about developing internal consistency so that the farm remains competitive and among the more profitable systems in the league.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Feb 5, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

And noooww we maaake PARTY!

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Feb 5, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Rookies on the 2010 roster

This makes perfect sense to me. With Lee hitting free agency after the season, we need to go all in this year and do our best to ensure production at each spot – we can’t have any black holes. Rookies are risky, but they’re easy to switch out for other players before they do too much damage. Aside from Figgins, all the veteran position players we’ve brought in to block rookies are also risky and easy to switch out. Z’s giving himself two rolls of the dice at 1B, LF, and C instead of one.

As for the training camp news, that is totally and completely awesome. I just wish we’d had this when Jose Lopez was in the minor leagues.

by chaney on Feb 5, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

"I just wish we’d had this when Jose Lopez was in the minor leagues."

Or Yuni.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Feb 5, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I have a friend who is in the physical therapy field and follows the minor leagues.

He’s pretty stoked about everything that comes up in that article.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Feb 5, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Tell G to comment over here.

I’d love to hear his thoughts on P3, and besides, I need another Robles fan around

by marc w on Feb 5, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll see about it.

He’s easing his way back into a baseball posting after a long period where even seeing him online was enough to make a big deal over.

Plus, as you know, the various online communities tend to keep to their own.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Feb 5, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Definitely good news

My posts tend to be too long for strings like this. I’m a rambler. laughs But I’ve referred to Dr. Elliott as a ‘damned genius’ before, and I stand by that. His work on sports-specific training, injury rehab, effective protein chain combos etc are friggin’ outstanding.
 
Basically instead of having you run til you puke or sweat gallons in 100 degree heat to toughen you up, Elliott finds out what mechanical and instinctive improvements you may need for your sport’s movement type. For baseball players a lot of it is rotational work (which they should be doing anyway but usually aren’t), first step quickness (to help fielders get to the ball better, base-stealers beat out throws, etc), proper application of force, improved reaction times (CRITICAL for improving batting), nutritional advice for maintaining strength throughout the season, etc. He also helps an athlete relax one set of muscles while contracting the opposing set, working on reducing injury and decreasing internal resistance during the movement to maximize output.

Dr. Elliott is a giant in the field of trained athletic enhancement. He runs studies on hamstring injuries for the NFL, he puts together nutritional plans for Olympians from multiple countries, he remakes top-tier athletes so that they find extra growth in their games after injury that they never had prior… Jack calling him up and having him work with all of our top minor leaguers the way he’s already worked with players like Ryan Braun is a great boon to the Mariners, and another feather in the cap of our front office, which is becoming littered with such feathers.

This can only be good news.

~G

by G_Money on Feb 9, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions   4 recs

Wow.

The direction this organization has taken continues to impress me.

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by JLProck on Feb 5, 2010 12:46 PM PST reply actions  

Excellent write up, thanks for the information on the good doctor.

I was excited when this news first came out, and now doubly so. Great stuff.

by Kermit. on Feb 5, 2010 4:49 PM PST reply actions  

Outstanding.

The combination of a decent budget and excellent player development is possibly the most exciting thing that could happen. It means we can home grow players and afford to sign them to long term contracts should they prove worth the value.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Feb 5, 2010 8:15 PM PST reply actions  

Question?

Does anyone know about the C.O.E. Conditioned Ocular Enhancement that Edgar uces to do? Would’nt this be a good next step?

by jenasmaster on Feb 5, 2010 8:57 PM PST reply actions  

I don't know all of the details on it.

From my perspective, you might be able to talk 20-somethings into taping playing cards to baseball and standing there trying to read suit and number as they spin past.

Convincing them to not watch TV during the season? Good luck.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Feb 5, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

It's worth trying though.

Also:

1) I assume everything helps. and
2) I am sure some will agree to it, once they understand that succeeding means millions and millions more dollars.

But yes, for some it will be tremendously difficult. Would definitely have to be an optional program, and one to expect most of your young stars to avoid.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Feb 5, 2010 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Right.

I don’t mean to portray it as impossible, just unlikely.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Feb 5, 2010 11:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I've met the trainer

that used to work with Edgar,got a 5 min. demo it seemed pretty amazing and easy to pick-up even in that short time. As you said givin the millions at stake every little advantage would help. Edgar swore by it and I know Carlos Beltran used to do it.I belive it was some doctor out of mil. or cleveland?

by jenasmaster on Feb 5, 2010 10:59 PM PST reply actions  

FSN did a video piece, with Angie in the cage trying to follow the tennis balls

Here are some other links:

Theil from 2002

a (oddly transcribed) link to Rosenthal’s article about from 2001

about the tennis ball machine

by msb on Feb 8, 2010 7:55 AM PST up reply actions  

JY I'll see if I can find that tranier

He lives by someone i know in woodinville, I’m pretty sure it’s just tennis balls with numbers on them that you see and hit at different speeds, that help build up your ocular muscle. THe huskies fastpitch used it this past season.

by jenasmaster on Feb 5, 2010 11:38 PM PST reply actions  

That would be a cool story.

I think I’ve heard the basics of it, but the details should be interesting. Thanks.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Feb 5, 2010 11:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Beltran's contract includes one of those fancy machines.

“In addition to his salary, Beltran’s contract came with a number of perks, including a hotel suite on all road trips, a fifteen-person luxury suite for all home games, and the lease of an ocular enhancer machine, a device that shoots colored tennis balls to batters at 150 miles per hour.”

by Susheel Ramasahayam on Feb 6, 2010 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Yup, that's pretty much exactly it

we did it in high school too and then applied that to Little League coaching. It’s a great tool, but you need to be consistently vigilant about doing it. Also, it makes for good down time in between turns at BP, since you’re just standing there while someone whizzes tennis balls by you

by seattlebruin on Feb 9, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

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