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Because you meet someone once and suddenly their Facebook pictures are interesting.

  • Russell Branyan. You should all know by now that Branyan signed with the Indians, but what you may not have heard is that, as of now, he's slotted to be the regular first baseman. This, of course, isn't a permanent arrangement, as both Branyan and Travis Hafner have a little health question storm cloud following them around wherever they go, but for the time being, the Indians are content putting Russell in the field.

    Does this reflect poorly on the Mariners? No, for a number of reasons, which aren't limited to the following list:

    (1) The M's made Branyan an offer that he turned down, and they couldn't wait around for him to figure out that he didn't have a market
    (2) The M's know as much or more about Branyan's health than Cleveland does, and they decided he wasn't worth a strong pursuit. We have no reason to be skeptical of our team's medical staff or front office
    (3) The Indians may simply be more willing to take a risk than the M's are, which would be a difference in philosophy and division context. Remember that the Rays, who were also interested, were going to put Branyan at DH
    (4) Branyan is 34 years old and no guarantee to outperform Casey Kotchman and Ryan Garko anyway

    I wish Branyan all the best, because he's awesome, and I hope he stays perfectly healthy all year long. He deserves it. The M's, though, made an informed and thorough decision to let him go, and they've earned our trust. So while I'd like to have Branyan back, I understand why he's gone. In the meantime, I wonder when someone's going to let the Indians know that Matt LaPorta isn't an outfielder.

  • Sean Green. Remember when Green went from kind of three-quarters to sidearm? He's lowering his arm angle again even more. Because his platoon split clearly wasn't pronounced enough. Jerry Manuel hopes that Green can be more than a righty specialist because of his groundball tendencies, but Jerry Manuel doesn't realize that Green's career K/BB against lefties is 0.6. All the groundballs in the world aren't going to save you when you miss the target more than everybody that's so far tried to murder Jeff Dunham.

  • Jarrod Washburn. The highest-profile remaining outfield free agents: Jermaine Dye, Gary Sheffield, and Garret Anderson. I would kill to see Washburn pitch in front of an outfield of all three of them. Right now, as you're reading this, Washburn is somewhere in the woods, trying to shoot a mammal in the head.

  • Rob Johnson. Wait, you're serious?

  • Raul Ibanez. Ibanez says he suffered through an abdominal injury last year that made its presence known in May and became "unbearable" by June. You'll recall that Ibanez had a 1.115 OPS through June 2nd and a .758 OPS the rest of the way. Sounds convenient, but then the last time I doubted Raul Ibanez he went on to have every season of his entire career, so I think I'm gonna go ahead and let this one go.

  • Adrian Beltre. Beltre rolled his right ankle yesterday when he stepped on a baseball. Given what happened last time Beltre had pain in his ankle, I predict the Red Sox will win the division by 20 games.

  • Phillippe Aumont. The Phillies are going to be bumping Aumont back into the rotation. As was the case with Branyan, the M's put a lot of thought into their decision, here, so you either trust them or you don't.

  • Carlos Silva. Silva likes Chicago, because while Seattle was concerned about his weight, in Chicago there's less pressure to not be morbidly obese.

  • Bill Hall and Tug Hulett. Hall's acquisition means Hulett is unlikely to break camp with the Red Sox. One of these days Hulett will be blocked by a guy that doesn't suck a lot.

  • Wladimir Balentien. The re-signing of Jonny Gomes in Cincinnati does a number on Balentien's chances of grabbing significant playing time, as the most likely scenario now has Gomes platooning with Chris Dickerson. Over the last four years, Gomes has a WAR of -0.3.

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Balentien v. Gomes

CHONE forecasts:
Balentien: 2.2 WAR
Gomes: 0.6 WAR

Fans forecasts:
Balentien: 1.3 WAR
Gomes: 0.8 WAR

Can sort of play defense:
Balentien: Yes
Gomes: No

by marc w on Feb 25, 2010 11:22 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

That's not a loony tunes forecast

THIS is a loony tunes forecast.
But yes, AAAA guys can be overrated by CHONE, it would appear – great MiLB numbers translate into solid forecasts. Of course, the opposite is often true, in that guys who’ve stunk in limited time in their initial call-ups are often underrated by other systems.

And let’s be honest, the craziest thing about his stat line isn’t the hitting projection, it’s the UZR, which was insanely high in ’09 (esp. in Cincinnati).

by marc w on Feb 25, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the projected .358 wOBA is the zaniest part, personally

I will eat my hat if he comes anywhere remotely close to that.

by OlSalty on Feb 25, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I heckled Myrow one time when the Beavers were playing the Rainiers at PGE Park.

Called him a Triple-A lifer, a AAAA loser, etc. He proceeded to hit a mammoth three-run jack off the face of the Multnomah Athletic Club.

by Phildopip on Feb 25, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Also

We could have held onto him instead of trading him for peanuts and we wouldn’t have Byrnes so at least Goose would be happy.

by Edgar for Pres on Feb 25, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I agree

If Wlad could stop striking out then we’d have an awesome hitter but that doesn’t just happen.

by Edgar for Pres on Feb 25, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

This organization has dumped Mike Cameron and Shin-Soo Choo in large part because of their K rates

Put Wlad aside, because even I would agree that it’s not at all clear that you’d have an ‘awesome hitter’ if his K rate went from ~25% to ~20%.
But Cameron’s has always been much higher, and fan annoyance with the way strikeouts look and feel led to the team parting ways with an incredibly valuable player. Choo’s done fine despite high K rates, and Nelson Cruz is doing fine for Texas after waiting years for a shot because he had high AAA K rates.

All of this isn’t to say that Wlad=Nelso Cruz or anything, Wlad can be bad with or without strikeouts, but I just sort of bristle when people put undue emphasis on the strikeout. Not saying you did, I just get out my soapbox whenever I hear this.

by marc w on Feb 25, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I think Wlad probably won't amount to that much in the end but he is pretty close to being a decent player

If he increases his power, walk rate, line drive rate, decrease his strikeouts, and/or show the ability to be an above average defender he is probably going to end up being a 1-2 WAR player. I kind of wish we still had him. His power gives him some upside in my mind.

by Edgar for Pres on Feb 25, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm really hoping that your post was dripping in sarcasm.

If he increases his power, AND his walk rate, AND his line drive rate, AND decreases his strikeouts, AND shows the ability to be an above average defender?

Seems like you could have summed all that up by saying “If he learns how to play baseball, he is probably going to end up being a 1-2 WAR player.”

by mattlock on Feb 25, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I was

But truthfully he isn’t really that far from being a 2 WAR type of player. He has decent power and shouldn’t be too much of a butcher in the field. Combine that with a shred of walks and right now he is a player who should be getting some playing time somewhere. I don’t know if its here or with the Reds but I’m sure somebody will find a spot for him somewhere. The biggest worry I have about him are his very low LD% numbers which might indicate he’s just swinging from heels all the time.

by Edgar for Pres on Feb 25, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he turned out to be a very good hitter

Obviously, we know he has real good power potential. One thing that he appeared to show in the minors was that he was able to learn and make adjustments as he advanced to higher levels. Different players have different learning curves, so he might be a guy that continues to improve past the point where other players have already reached their peak.

by nathaniel dawson on Feb 25, 2010 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you’d see Wlad’s hitting line look something closer to his minor league number if he had a single season of 350+ PA’s.

by ewdewald on Feb 26, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Please use the subject line in the future.

It makes it easier to navigate through and read comments. Thanks, and welcome to Lookout Landing.

Because we’re rebels. Accurate, intelligent, introspective rebels. And damn proud of it my friend. - CapSea
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997

by JLProck on Feb 26, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

He's gotta be frustrated

It’s one thing to be in the minors behind an all-star, but you’re stuck behind a tanking Yuni in Seattle and you can’t get a chance? Then you go to KC, where Tony Pena’s career implodes, and then Aviles gets hurt, and YES, you’re almost there….and so they trade for Yuni. You go to Boston, who played fellow AAAA SS Nick Green for much of 2009, and they get the remains of Bill Hall to block your path.

by marc w on Feb 25, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah its got to be annoying.

He might be better than every player who has blocked his path so far.

by Edgar for Pres on Feb 25, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe he'll get picked up by KC

where the only thing blocking his path would be Yuni, again.

by Paul AB on Feb 26, 2010 7:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually at KC he would be behind both Yuni and Bloomie ...

… as well as Aviles (as soon as Aviles comes back from his surgery) and Callaspo, now that the Royals no longer have a place in the lineup for him.

by Steve Nelson on Feb 26, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I actually had to look up Washburn's status on Rotoworld, because I'd forgotten if he had signed with somebody yet.

The latest is dated 2-9-10.

The Orioles have some interest in free agent left-hander Jarrod Washburn, reports Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com.
While the club is in search of another starting pitcher after losing out on Bedard, a major league source tells Morosi that the “price would have to drop pretty far” for Baltimore to be a realistic landing spot.

FUCK ERIC BYRNES FUCK ERIC BYRNES!

by Goose on Feb 25, 2010 12:29 PM PST reply actions  

Worst movie ever.

1) Being able to throw a good fastball does not make one an ace pitcher.
2) Even if point 1 was not true, one good player going to a terrible team will not propel that club into the World Series.

Even as a kid this seemed obvious to me. I can’t stand that film.

by katal on Feb 25, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

You misspelled "best."

Clearly you forget that it co-stars Busey.

by SethGrandpa on Feb 25, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

It worked for Mariano Rivera.

Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.

by JAH on Feb 25, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Boy that's enough players to make a lineup out of!

C: Tug Hulett
1B: Carlos Silva
2B: Sean Green
3B: Adrian Beltre
SS: Bill Hall
LF: Raul Ibanez
CF: Wlad Balentien
RF: Jarrod Washburn

SP: Phillippe Aumont

This is a lineup I would pay to see play.

by Dewey N on Feb 25, 2010 2:16 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Well, Holy crap...

Carlos Silva

“I always prepare myself for spring training,” he said. "To be a big guy doesn’t mean anything. If you are in good condition and great shape, you can do your work. For me, I can run however much they want me to run.

“That was one of the (bad) things with Seattle. Here, they want to get me back on track in my pitching. They don’t worry about my size or my weight. In Seattle, they were worried more about my weight than anything else. I feel more comfortable here. Getting people out is what matters. I’m not out of shape at all. Ask the trainers.”

Glad this guy is away from Felix.

by ThundaPC on Feb 25, 2010 2:27 PM PST reply actions  

No Carlos, we were worried about your sucking.

Nobody gave shit about David Wells being a fat slob because he could actually pitch.

FUCK ERIC BYRNES FUCK ERIC BYRNES!

by Goose on Feb 25, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Stay classy, fatass.

Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?

by Benne on Feb 25, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Stay classy, fatass.

Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?

by Benne on Feb 25, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I know that was likely just a dupe post

But I prefer to believe it was just a sentiment worth saying twice.

by groovewrangler on Feb 25, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

Larry Stone tweets:
Jeff Clement is working out at 1B in Pirate camp. They really want his bat in the lineup, and he’ll be given a good shot at the job.

There seem to be quite a few former Mariner prospects being tried out in different roles from what the M’s had them doing. Aumont… starter. Clement… first base. Morrow… well, Morrow’s back-and-forth was largely self-inflicted, so screw him.

Because we’re rebels. Accurate, intelligent, introspective rebels. And damn proud of it my friend. - CapSea
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997

by JLProck on Feb 26, 2010 9:29 AM PST reply actions  

Clement is different, no?

Aumont and Morrow were drafted as starters, converted to relievers at some point, shipped off to another organization to start. Clement was drafted as a Catcher. Then his knees eventually went down to crapolopolis so he dabbled in some 1B. Now he’s in another organization gunning for a 1B job. Clement’s case is consistent, if nothing else.

by ThundaPC on Feb 26, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd forgotten about that for some reason.

Thanks for clarifying, marc.

Because we’re rebels. Accurate, intelligent, introspective rebels. And damn proud of it my friend. - CapSea
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997

by JLProck on Feb 26, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Eh, I'm overstating it for effect

But yeah, he had surgery on his knee between ‘08 and ’09, and it just seemed to take a long time to heal. As a result, the M’s were really cautious with him, and essentially made him the full-time DH. But with a million 1B/DH guys on the roster, each guy had to play out of position a bit – so you had Brad Nelson in RF, Bryan LaHair in LF, Clement at 1B or C occasionally, etc.
So it wasn’t a hard and fast rule, but they clearly didn’t view him as a full-time C, as he didn’t get that much time even after recovering. Besides, they’d already brought up Adam Moore.

Way more detail, but it’s probably more accurate to say that the M’s had him as a 1B/DH 85% of the time or something, and that the Pirates are going to have him at 1B 100% of the time.

by marc w on Feb 26, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Morrow's back-and-forth was largely self-inflicted?

A twenty-two-year-old is told he can be on a big league club; his GM and manager say he’s in the bullpen after drafting him as a starter? Then he gets shipped off to the winter leagues to stretch out, comes back and finds he’s replaced by…Carlos Silva? Bullpen again. He gets sent down to convert. Comes back again to be a starter, elects to go to the bullpen. This ONE incident is the only thing in his whole development that’s on him. Early 2009. And that could have been headed off by a manager or a GM (you know, his boss, in charge of his development, responsible for the team) just said “No.”

I, for one, will be cheering for Morrow in a Jays uniform. No, not “screw him.” Pity him and his route through the M’s organization.

by harkening on Feb 26, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Because we’re rebels. Accurate, intelligent, introspective rebels. And damn proud of it my friend. - CapSea
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997

by JLProck on Feb 26, 2010 10:16 AM PST reply actions  

Reply fail there. Should have been a reply to ThundaPC.

Because we’re rebels. Accurate, intelligent, introspective rebels. And damn proud of it my friend. - CapSea
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997

by JLProck on Feb 26, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

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