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I Feel Bad For Cha Seung Baek

Kirby Arnold lets us know about one minor yet thoroughly depressing development:

A familiar person walked across the parking lot this morning -- former Mariners pitcher Cha Seung Baek. He's here for a tryout in hopes of extending his pro career.

In 2006, Cha Seung Baek missed time with triceps tendinitis. In 2007, he missed time with shoulder inflammation. In 2008, he missed time with triceps tendinitis, again. In 2009, he missed time with an elbow strain. Baek hasn't thrown a Major League pitch since September '08. Doctors say he may require the second Tommy John procedure of his career. Baek opted for rehab instead of surgery, but he's not out of the woods, and as a guy who can't be counted on to stay healthy, this post isn't about how I think he should make the rotation. He's all kinds of fragile, and there's no telling whether or not he still has his stuff.

No, this post is about how the world isn't fair, because when Cha Baek's actually been on a mound, he's pitched pretty well. Granted, he's never been the most thrilling pitcher in this world or in a hypothetical world where all pitchers are Braden Looper, but he's been average across the board, and average is valuable. Cha Baek was as good as pre-Mariners Carlos Silva. Maybe better. Cha Baek didn't have any one good pitch, but he had four decent ones, and he used them to get guys to chase. When you're Rich Harden and you have the best changeup in the history of a sport where all records of Pedro Martinez have been erased for some reason, it's easy to get hitters to go fishing. There's no challenge, no achievement. When you're Cha Baek, and you have whatever the hell Cha Baek throws, getting hitters to chase is a testament to your trickery. When he was healthy and on the mound, Cha Baek was tricky, and he was effective.

But Cha Baek hasn't been able to stay healthy, and because of that a decent right-handed starting pitcher has barely made any money. I know it's weird to feel bad for a professional athlete, especially a professional athlete who got a $1.3m signing bonus, but Cha Baek was a teammate of Carlos Silva. He was a teammate of Jeff Weaver, of Horacio Ramirez, of Miguel Batista and the sad version of Joel Pineiro. He was a teammate of worse pitchers making millions more dollars, all because they could stay healthy enough to throw their shit while he had trouble getting loose.

That sucks. And though I suppose you could argue that it's Baek's own fault for choosing a profession for which he's not physically cut out, how was he supposed to know what lied ahead? Staying healthy as a pitcher is as much about luck as it is about preparation, and you can't know if you can do it until you try it. Carlos Silva can do it. Cha Baek can't do it. And though Silva has run into some injury trouble, he didn't get the serious stuff until he made his millions. Baek didn't get that far, and he likely never will.

It's one thing to be injury-prone while possessing an electric arm. If you have enough talent, you'll always get your chances. But Baek is injury-prone and average, and that's just miserable, because when you're average, your health is the difference between having to find another line of work and being able to support your family for the rest of your life. Barring some miracle, before too long Cha Baek will be just another working stiff. And though there's nothing wrong with being a working stiff, Baek had the ability to be more, and he's had that ability taken away too many times.

All the best to you, Chuckles.

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Also, you forgot Blackley.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/

by JY on Feb 22, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Fine fine....

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/

by JY on Feb 22, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

To be fair...

Nageotte et all crashed upon reaching the high minors.

Steve Uhlmansiek, who was one of the TJ guys they drafted, never made it anywhere. Luke Burnett is not working out so well for us either. You may as well lump Kahn, who has barely pitched at all in the past few years, in the group as well. There are plenty of others that seemed interesting at one point, but never made it anywhere and washed out. Chad Fillinger, would be one. Aaron Brown is another. I also seem to remember Churchill really liking Eric Carter back in the day too.

The idea that they ended up healthier as a whole might be unfounded though. It’s just that they either didn’t have time to make an impact or weren’t as highly regarded at the time. The team didn’t really generate pitching on that level until Pineda came around doing his thing.

Anyway we both know all this so…

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/

by JY on Feb 22, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Uhlmansiek never made it because he pitched ineffectively.

Luke Burnett too, though I don’ t know – did his velocity stay low?
Kahn, yeah, he goes in with Gallagher.

Clearly, pitcher attrition sucks now, just as it sucked then. But it’s still funny that the team’s strategy, to the extent that it had one, was getting tall, projectable guys – many of whom then went down with injury. Fontaine’s strategy seemed to actively target guys who’d been hurt, and while some of them got hurt again, and others just weren’t any good, it’s not like the injury problems got worse.
My guess is that, on the whole, things are a bit better in 2009 than in, say, 2004. Part of this is that it seems the team’s gotten more aggressive about shutting pitchers down (like Pineda and Aumont).

by marc w on Feb 22, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Right.

But for the most part, the injured pitchers they were targeting were just guys who had a redshirt year or something, not ones that had a labrum rebuilt. The token TJ pick only came up maybe once a year. They just never got better. As you said, at least they’ll shut them down now, though.

And Burnett’s velocity remains terrible, last I heard. I navigated around seeing him in Everett though, and got John Hesketh instead.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/

by JY on Feb 22, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Particularly if he can keep the low-walk trend he initiated in the AFL.

Although it’s so very hard to understand pitchers in those circumstances.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://www.marinersminors.com/

by JY on Feb 22, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I saw Burnett pitch toward the end of last season

and yes his velocity was way down. He was only touching the mid-80s with his fastball. I read somewhere that he used to hit the low to mid 90s, but I could be wrong.

by jeterc9 on Feb 22, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

This is slightly related but I was googling Matt Wagner earlier today

I remembered thinking he was going to be really good. I probably didn’t know how good he actually was (not very) but I remember him pitching a complete game. For those of you who don’t remember him, and why would you, he was a SP prospect who came up in 1996 and pitched a few games for the M’s. His minor league numbers were decent and I remember thinking he was probably going to be good.

Over the offseason, he ended up getting traded for Fassero along with Widger and basically was never heard of again. After scouring the internet I think I’ve put most the pieces together of what followed next. Basically he ended up getting a small injury which led to a bigger shoulder injury which he was never really able to recover from. In 2003 after a significant semi-retirement from baseball he pitching again with the Newark Bears (Ricky Henderson played for them for a while I think) for a season. He now is retired from baseball and works for a bank in Iowa (thank you LinkedIn). This interview right here is pretty awesome I think.

Anyway, I mostly wanted to put this up because the interview was cool.

by Edgar for Pres on Feb 22, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel bad for Cha Seung Baek

For arriving with less fanfare than John Parham, Preston Vancil and Levale Speigner.

by ThundaPC on Feb 22, 2010 3:25 PM PST reply actions  

Does anyone have the link

For that assortment of Cha Seung Baek faces? I can’t seem to find it on here

by CKel on Feb 22, 2010 3:34 PM PST reply actions  

Beak may come back!

Hooray!

A Mariners fan in Seattle

by Coach Owens on Feb 23, 2010 3:19 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

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It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Feb 23, 2010 5:18 AM PST up reply actions  

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