Jim Bowden Talks To Theo Epstein, Jon Daniels, Dayton Moore, Justin Upton, Kevin Goldstein, And One David Cameron
by Jeff Sullivan on Feb 22, 2010 12:57 PM PST
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Minaya: Hey Jim, I wanted to ask you about Brian Schneider.
Bowden: Schneider? I barely know her!
Minaya: I've got this Milledge guy, think he could be a big-time player.
Bowden: That's what she said!
Minaya: He's still developing, he's not a finished product, but he's developing into something special.
Bowden: I've got something special developing right here.
Bowden: :gestures to crotch:
Minaya: Maybe throw in Ryan Church? Milledge for Schneider and Church? Do you think we could swing that?
Bowden: Yeah, I think we could swing that.
Minaya:
Bowden:
Minaya:
Bowden: In bed
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I think it's his fiance/wife
According to Deadspin, her name is Joy Browning, but I think she goes by Joy Jolise.
Bidding on another outfielder?
She’s also been photographed with Pat Sajack & Snoop Dogg…
Stop The Wave!
by ConorGlassey on Feb 22, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This actually makes it less creepy which annoys me
by Aaron Campeau on Feb 22, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, same now that I think about it
Shit
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by Griffin Cooper on Feb 22, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
Definitely her,
@purejoyinc
go to www.foxsports.com click on GM’s Corner (lunch w/ benefits) I’m guest starring ;)
The account is now gone.
This could have been the last tweet.
Disagree
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Feb 22, 2010 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
I think you're right
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by Griffin Cooper on Feb 22, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
She is attractive, just annoying.
Guys are dumb, remember. We can ignore annoying.
I’m not saying they were needed though.
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by appleshampoo on Feb 22, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
Is it just me or does Dave Cameron look like a young Jack Zduriencik?
Bowden: “Do you follow any of the Fangraphs.com, Baseball Prospectus kind of stats?”
Justin Upton: "I think that stuff’s crazy to be honest with you. "
Bowden: The stat heads have you at a $20M preformance last year.
Justin Upton: Me likey!
by Janic on Feb 22, 2010 1:18 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I have always had a hard time with certain curse words.
But now I know when I call someone an “asshole” I will be thinking of Bowden in that video. WOW.
HA!
I was thinking the same thing.
What’s up with the blonde chick? That seems unnecessary….
~I once gave Jose Canseco $15. ~
He talked like they gave him a time limit.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
No, that's pretty much how he always talk, if you hear him on the radio and Fangraphs Audio.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
Daniels looks waaay too young to be a GM.
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by Coach Owens on Feb 22, 2010 1:23 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
That's a good thing
Zach Braff is the best
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by Griffin Cooper on Feb 22, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
I'd like him more if he weren't a one-trick pony. It was great while it lasted.
Maybe they’ll cast a movie in ten years with him, Michael Cera, Lisa Kudrow, Hugh Grant, Nicholas Cage, Matthew Perry, Justin Long, Vin Diesel, Paul Walker, etc.
I'll have a screenplay mocked up by tomorrow.
It features an awkward boy, a dizzy girl, an foppish limey, a failure, a yuppie, a nice guy, a tough guy, I don’t know who Paul Walker is, and an irascible old man.
Yeah, I won't say he's anything special outside of Scrubs
But he was so perfect as JD, and JD was an amazing character
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by Griffin Cooper on Feb 22, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
He broke the record for...
…youngest GM ever when hired. Oddly enough, he seems like a better public speaker now than he was when he got hired.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 22, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Is it important for players to really understand any stats?
Stats are vital for the front office, scouts, and coaches.
Stats are important for fans and the media to have some understand of what is going on.
But even counting stats seem like they should be an after thought to active players.
If you are taking a test. You worry about getting this question right. You are not thinking about how your grade for the test/class is getting better/worse with each question.
Yes it's important.
Like any job, you want to know what your employer is looking for. If you know what the stats mean, and what stats your club likes, you can focus on improving those stats.
TouchMyIchiro
But in a case like Betancourt. You would want to ride your batting average and scouting report to a payday.
Not advanced metrics.
by Scruffy Lefty on Feb 22, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
True. If you suck. Is it really helpful to find out there are 10 different ways you suck?
How much is any of this controllable by the player?
He doesn't have to
use them in an arbitration hearing. At least the bad ones. There may be some advanced stats out there by which Yuni doesn’t suck. Maybe.
TouchMyIchiro
If it was me personally. I would love to have all the info available to me.
In hopes that I could improve.
by Scruffy Lefty on Feb 22, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
Basically, to anyone who swings away because hits matter, not walks
It lets them know they should stop being quite so stupid.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Feb 22, 2010 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
Absolutely.
The players of all people shouldn’t be left out in the dark. Knowing something as simple as their BABIP can help them to understand why they might be struggling at present.
This is so bad.
After seeing the finished product, I wonder if the contributors would be happy to come on his show again. All the sexual innuendo is just stupid and embarrassing.
I thought Dayton Moore would be there so they can make fun of him.
by bagsflyfree on Feb 22, 2010 1:36 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
The last minute or so was genius.
It’s like parody, but without the self-awareness.
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I thought we had gotten beyond this
by Poochie on Feb 22, 2010 3:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Rumor has it some non-white people do, in fact, look or sound alike
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Feb 22, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Dayton Moore uses runs scored.
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by Craig Powers on Feb 22, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
VORP adjusts for position, but not skill.
So you get credit for being a shortstop, but it doesn’t factor in how you compare to other shortstops.
Dayton Moore on stats vs. scouts: "At the end of the day I'm going with the scouts"
As he says this, a little factoid pops up on the bottom of the screen:
[2009: 65-97 Record]
by BrianL on Feb 22, 2010 1:44 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
"At the end of the day"!!!!
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by JY on Feb 22, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah...
So, obviously, I don’t know what to say. I don’t… i just don’t know.
by davidcameron on Feb 22, 2010 1:53 PM PST reply actions 20 recs
Dave Cameron: speechless.
Truly, this is a thing that has happened.
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by JY on Feb 22, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You were good in it
Didn’t know that you’re likeness would be used for exploitation when you agreed to do it, huh?
by seattle_since_81 on Feb 22, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
I bet that's what you say to all the girls.
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by Craig Powers on Feb 22, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Jesus fuck.
Also, hahahaha Dayton Moore.
by I Lick Squirrels on Feb 22, 2010 2:10 PM PST reply actions
It's somewhat fitting that Moore's connection is horrible.
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by Coach Owens on Feb 22, 2010 2:12 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
What. The. Fuck.
Well great. Now I think Jim Bowden is an idiot AND an old, lecherous pervert.
I may steal this from you.
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by Eyebrows on Feb 22, 2010 2:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Unless that was in the video, in which case, ew.
Haven’t been able to watch yet.
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by Eyebrows on Feb 22, 2010 2:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I have this belief that you, having not seen the video, might think of this as some subtle thing.
Like, being a creeper, Bowden glanced at the girls ta-tas and the camera just happened to catch it.
And then you’ll watch the video and fall over laughing when you see the reality of the situation.
How could you possibly laugh
At talents like those?
In all seriousness, Bowden displayed some serious acting talent. Pr0n level acting. That was Sex Trek 3: The Wrath of Bob quality right there.
by ExiledToSoCal on Feb 22, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah he sort of copped a feel
with his eyes
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Feb 22, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
I think it was setup that way, which makes it worse.
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
p.s. fuck you angels
I don't get it
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Feb 22, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
I never said it was less tacky. Just that it was setup.
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
p.s. fuck you angels
The second time through, it's better when just listening to it and not watching.
Dayton Moore is funny any way you slice it, unless you’re a KC fan.
That is the best baseball video ever made.
It’s amazing how much to talk about there is from just 12 minutes of viewing. I think the best part is where Dayton Moore blatantly lies to America by claiming he likes OBP.
by philkid3 on Feb 22, 2010 2:44 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
I really, really wish I had speakers on my work computer
I hate having to wait until I get home to listen to this, as I’m sure that it is amazing
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
It might actually be better without sound
by Jeff Sullivan on Feb 22, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
My computer here can hardly handle having a thread open on this site
Is there a mobile link available? I’m on Foxsport’s website on my phone, but don’t see this GM’s corner anywhere (just ones from earlier in the month)
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Feb 22, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Though I have not watched it with sound yet
You may be right about it being good without sound
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by tootthekazoo on Feb 22, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
I think this would be ten times funnier if that were Bowden's wife.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Feb 22, 2010 3:23 PM PST reply actions
YES YES YES
And there are supposed to be more of these!
FOUR MORE
http://msn.foxsports.com/video/shows/gm-corner
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by Eyebrows on Feb 22, 2010 3:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, I guess I read that wrong.
Those are other, unrelated videos.
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by Eyebrows on Feb 22, 2010 3:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
OH FUCK WAIT
WEEKLY
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by Eyebrows on Feb 22, 2010 3:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This video is giving me a headache.
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by Eyebrows on Feb 22, 2010 3:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Or gif, rather. I am losing IQ points with each repetition.
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by Eyebrows on Feb 22, 2010 3:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm going to start drooling on myself soon.
Brain. Damage. Setting. In.
by ExiledToSoCal on Feb 22, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
Mine too.
It’s really all you need to know.
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by Craig Powers on Feb 22, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
I haven't seen blatant objectifying of women in this way
in decades! Or not without it being a joke. Seriously, I’m so glad this video has come into my life. I feel bad for Dave though, because he was making serious points and all Bowden can do is say “XYZ SHFSM WYAL” or whatever.
Sorry Royal, it was too tempting
by seattle_since_81 on Feb 22, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 35 recs
Definitely NSFRC
And yet… I kind of hope there are opportunities to use it in the future.
Sorry :(
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by JY on Feb 22, 2010 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
I want to run away as fast as I can but at the same time, I can't look away
Yes, we have a coupon.
by Crystal for DH on Feb 22, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
So wonderful
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by Griffin Cooper on Feb 22, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
At least your head hasn't exploded
That’s what I was most worried about.
by seattle_since_81 on Feb 22, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
Can we at least get a NSFW warning on this one?
by seattlebruin on Feb 23, 2010 8:20 AM PST up reply actions
Violence is safe for everywhere in America!
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by Eyebrows on Feb 23, 2010 10:16 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think the creepiest part of this is that he has a picture of Ken Rosenthal on the wall.
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I was wondering about that myself.
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by JY on Feb 22, 2010 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
Where in the video is this I can't find it
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by Griffin Cooper on Feb 22, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Different video
http://msn.foxsports.com/video/shows/gm-corner
It’s from the “Big market GMs” video below.
Wow.
Just, wow.
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by Griffin Cooper on Feb 22, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
You're suprised that a man who can't evaluate talent properly
Can’t evaluate talent properly?
Stats are not a euphemism for tits
Also why did they show a picture of Joe Mauer when Epstein was talking?
This is terrible and thus fantastic.
I was wondering that too
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by Griffin Cooper on Feb 22, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
I like the part where Bowden is standing in a field with his arms crossed
But he’s still doing a voice over for some reason
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Is this a step up from the Dan Devone segment?
(and holy crap is this weird to listen to now given the change in circumstances)
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Who are Jeff and Jason??
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by Griffin Cooper on Feb 22, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
Jeff Shaw and Jason Churchill (??? on the second one)
by Mariner John on Feb 22, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
That's definitely not Churchill.
Reasonable guess though. Churchill would be talking for one thing. And he’d probably be wearing a hat, because I think I’ve only ever seen him without one once.
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by JY on Feb 22, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
I couldn't view the video so I was just guessing.
I should’ve just said Shaw and left it at that.
by Mariner John on Feb 22, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
On the chance you're being serious....
Jeff Shaw and Jason Barker (I think?) are both former authors for USS Mariner.
Jason was one of the co-founders, I think, and Jeff came on later as USSM sort of absorbed Mariners Musings, bringing in Pete White, who then went to grad school and dropped out of the blogging gig.
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by JY on Feb 22, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
Ah. I've only been following the blogosphere for about 10 months.
I was being serious though.
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by Griffin Cooper on Feb 22, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
I thought as much in this case.
I’m one of the pseudo-historians of it since I’ve been around pretty much since the get-go, with Baseball116 and all that nonsense. There are others that have me beat though, since they remember the usenet days.
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by JY on Feb 22, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
I was thinking of you when I was typing that out.
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by JY on Feb 22, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
I suddenly feel qualified to be a major leage GM
If the Royals can be considered a major leave team.
by zeeehjee on Feb 22, 2010 4:47 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Ya I spelled League wrong twice
Thats right.
by zeeehjee on Feb 22, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You're
Sorry but I can’t stand this
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by Griffin Cooper on Feb 22, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
The idea had been floated this offseason...
…makes sense, the millisecond JD stops getting flak from the local media for trading Teixeira away without getting enough big league players back (etc, etc), there’s speculation that he’ll leave for the Mets.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 22, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
did anyone else hear
“Matt Camp” instead of Kemp? I only realized who he meant when Upton mentioned LA. I wouldn’t be surprised if Bowden can’t pronounce half the names in MLB.
At the next Q&A with the front office that needs to be played for everyones enjoyment.
And I am sure Jack Z will have something nice to say about Bowden afterwards.
"Jim and I once TP'd Dave Samson's house"
FUCK ERIC BYRNES FUCK ERIC BYRNES!
by Goose on Feb 22, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
a;KJWBRW213 L,.LKJDB;
gaaah DAAAAHHHHH
FUUUUCK
That has to be the most terrible thing ever. EVER.
WHYYYYYYYYY
WHY DOES SHE RANDOMLY SAY SHIT? CHICKS DIG SABERMETRICS? WHAHAHHA:LNK
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by Eyebrows on Feb 22, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
God this is like our 2girls1cup
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by Eyebrows on Feb 22, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
THIS IS OUTRAGEOUSLY TERRIBLE
WHO?! HOW? WHY WERE DOLLARS SPENT ON THE PRODUCTION OF THIS?!
WHY ARE THERE TICKERTAPE WOOSHY SOUND EFFECTS FOR THE RIBBON GRAPHIC!?>
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by Eyebrows on Feb 22, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I am going to go drink now.
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by Eyebrows on Feb 22, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This was amazing
The random drop in comments by that lady had me rolling
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
This was awesome.
I’m not sure what else to say.
He doesn't believe in advanced technology
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by Griffin Cooper on Feb 22, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Why the fuck does he ask Theo Epstein if "Carmine" is hot
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because hurr hurr hurr
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by JY on Feb 22, 2010 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
Just the weirdest fuckin video man
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by Griffin Cooper on Feb 22, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
The best part is when he's informed that Carmine is a male name.
I really wanted him to say “no homo” at that moment.
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by JY on Feb 22, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
He might as well have
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by Griffin Cooper on Feb 22, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
I fully expect Bowden to be talking with Ed Wade and Andy McPhail from the Girls Gone Wild bus in a couple of months.
FUCK ERIC BYRNES FUCK ERIC BYRNES!
by Goose on Feb 22, 2010 7:43 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
SPRING BREAK WOOOOOOOO
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by JY on Feb 22, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
Though I suppose a more appropriate pair of guest starts would be Steve Phillips and Harold Reynolds.
FUCK ERIC BYRNES FUCK ERIC BYRNES!
by Goose on Feb 22, 2010 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It makes me seriously wonder just how Fox Sports came to decide that Bowden was qualified to host a video series on sabermetrics.
Was it the one playoff appearance a team of his made, in the more than fifteen seasons that he was a GM? Was it his interpersonal relation skills that got him fired from the Reds? The FBI investigation? Did he tell a hilarious “that’s what she said” joke to Ken Rosenthal? I want to know.
Must rec this every time I see it.
Who is the wrestler again?
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by appleshampoo on Feb 23, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Dear God
Bill Bavasi might have been Bill Bavasi but at least he wasn’t Jim Bowden
Rock on Bob Engle
by aws on Feb 22, 2010 10:49 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
How did anybody with any background in professional editing approve this?
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
My favourite thing to come out of the fallout from this:
This introduction of the word ‘Cougar’ to myself.
Stats and cleavage!
That oughta hold those little SOBs.
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by Eyebrows on Feb 23, 2010 11:31 AM PST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
God, what a bizarre video.
I just watched it for the third time and still have no idea what the fuck is going on.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
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