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Miguel Olivo Signs With Mariners As Dread Sets In

Let's make one thing clear right now - this could be a disaster. This could be a disaster because this has already been a disaster once before, as Miguel Olivo has played for the Mariners and made outs nearly 80% of the time he came to the plate. Those of us who watched the M's in '04 and '05 remember Olivo as looking like perhaps the most helpless and hopeless hitter we've ever seen, and not a whole lot has changed. He still has the same approach. It's a lousy approach.

Not that this could ever be a real franchise-crippler, of course. Jon Morosi says it's a two-year deal with a 2013 option worth a guaranteed $7 million, and my suspicion is that it's something like two years and $6.5 million with a $0.5 million option buyout. That's too small a contract to make a huge difference. But Olivo the player - Olivo could be a mess.

But at the same time, he might not be. Yes, he's a 32 year old catcher. Yes, his time spent in Seattle previously was a nightmare. Over the past five seasons, though, Olivo's batted .254/.287/.444. He was a decent hitter with the Royals as recently as 2009, so he hasn't just padded his numbers in the NL or in Coors Field. Olivo has a track record - a recent track record - of being okay.

That's something we all have to keep in mind. As a righty pull hitter, it doesn't help that he's a lousy fit for Safeco Field, but then most hitters are a lousy fit for Safeco Field. Not everyone can be a lefty or a righty who hits to all fields. Olivo has been terrible in Seattle, but he was also good in a brief stint in San Diego, and he was fine in Kansas City, where righties struggle to hit home runs as much as they do here. Safeco isn't guaranteed to kill him.

Here's what Olivo brings: strikeouts, passed balls, home runs, and a strong throwing arm. Pretty much just those four things. Two of them are bad, and two of them are good. If he starts striking out more and homering less, then that's bad news, because we can already predict that he'll have a poor OBP. Only once in his career has he posted an OBP north of .300. He's going to make outs. So he needs to be able to slug the ball to help out. Fortunately, he's established that he can slug the ball often enough. He's been doing it for years.

And if he can do that here, he'll be fine. Remember that catchers aren't held to the same offensive standard as most everybody else. They have a lower baseline, which makes Olivo's numbers more acceptable. You wouldn't want Miguel Olivo as a DH. But as a backstop? Then it fits a little better.

Given that Olivo has played in 226 games over the past two years, he isn't signing here to be a backup. He's going to be the starter. Not a near-everyday starter like Yadier Molina, but the majority starter. In other words, Adam Moore becomes the reserve for the time being, while Rob Johnson falls out of the picture. That'll make some people mad, as they want to see Moore develop with more regular playing time, but you can develop starting 50 or 60 games in a season. Moore demonstrated in 2010 that he has a lot of work to do if he wants to stick. You can't ask him to be a regular in 2011 and expect him to hold his own. He still needs to be eased in, and he can still work on improving his shortcomings from behind Olivo on the depth chart.

And if Moore improves and shows himself ready, then Olivo won't be much of an obstacle. He has a small enough contract that he can be bumped, and he has a small enough contract that he can be traded. Just because Olivo's the starter now doesn't mean he's guaranteed to be the starter next season.

All in all, I don't see this as being a great signing, nor do I see it as being a terrible one. It could be a terrible one, if Olivo plays as terribly as he did several years ago, but it could also be a great one if he hits like he did in 2009, so, who knows? $7 million over two years is not a ton of money for a catcher who has recently been all right.

I know that people aren't wild about the prospect of watching Olivo on TV. Actually watching Olivo is probably the worst part of the whole thing, as his batting approach is painfully poor. He has no sense of selectivity and swings at almost everything. He's like Jose Lopez without the contact, and his slumps - and, oh, will there be slumps - will be exercises in visual torture. Every time Miguel Olivo comes up to bat, no matter the situation, nobody will have any faith that he'll be able to put the ball in play. But if Olivo looks awful, and then we step back and see that he's slugging .440, then that's what matters. If he's helping, he's helping.

So Olivo's probably going to be a lot of people's least favorite Mariner in the season to come. That's fine, but it's also subjective, and objectively, this deal makes sense. Olivo gives the Mariners a decent second-tier offensive catcher. He also brings a warm Latin personality to the clubhouse, which could matter in ways I don't feel like getting into. I know we all want Felix to be happy, and this will make Felix happy. If he sucks - and there's a good chance that he absolutely sucks - then that's too bad, and a lot of people will reflect on today and say "I told you so," but just looking at the numbers, I think this could work. I think Olivo could be worth his contract. And in the end, that's really all you can ask for.

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At least one player has texted Mike Salk to say that Olivo is a great guy and they're excited to be playing with him.

I don’t want to get too deep into the nebulous area that is chemistry, but for a team that’s rebuilding that has to matter some.

Adam Moore may not be ready to burden the majority of the catching duties. Olivo can help in that regard. He can provide some value with the bat. At least one player on the team likes him.

Yeah, whatever, I don’t personally like this move. But, if Olivo can make the growing pains of a rebuilding team easier for the players in the clubhouse then fine. I can see the justification.

by BrianL on Dec 9, 2010 12:08 PM PST reply actions  

Just to add more cliches. People have said he is a firey guy.

And with the recent comments about the young players not really trying their hardest last year. Its nice to have this type of personality in the clubhouse.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 9, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

On Moore

Salk played an interesting snippet earlier this morning that he got off an interview with GMZ last night. Paraphrased, it was basically Z saying Moore has the physical tools and athletic ability to be a good, everyday catcher for this ballclub — it just comes down to how badly he wants it.

Obviously he has his doubts, and if this signing doesn’t push Moore to become a starting catcher at the MLB level, I can’t imagine he’ll be around as long as Olivo.

Rooting for lovable losers since 1984.

by seattlecougar on Dec 9, 2010 12:09 PM PST reply actions  

Also for the Zaun vs Olivo thing.

Olivo (If useful) actually helps us in 2012 when we’re likely to be more competitive.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 9, 2010 12:11 PM PST reply actions  

Fond memories re Olivo

I once attended a game vs. the Yankees at Safeco (2004ish). Olivo hit a double but thought the ball had gone foul, when he realized it tried to still make it to second and was thrown out. Ms won nonetheless. Pitching Matchup was Gil Meche vs. Kevin Brown, Matsui and Ichiro both homered, with Ichiro’s homer leading off the bottom of the 1st with me still outside the stadium.

by vj on Dec 9, 2010 12:21 PM PST reply actions  

Exactly and that is where the problem lies.

Olivo will not make the Mariners worse but he will make them more unwatchable. Even in his league average years Jose Lopez was one of the least liked Mariners because his approach at the plate made him painful to watch. We just got rid of that last week, and added it right back into the mix with Miguel Olivo. Add that to the zany antics actually trying to catch the ball and Lopez has been painstakingly recreated and placed behind the plate. MIguel Olivo makes the Mariners slightly better next year, if everything goes well, and, at the same time, makes them more unwatchable just like Jose Lopez.

by Droid Rage on Dec 9, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Olivo makes the team more watchable.

Last year, Lopez sucked at the plate AND we had a crappy catcher. This year, it’ll be wrapped up into one player. It’s like the one 4 WAR player being preferable to two 2 WAR players. We’ll still have the same kinds of suck, but it’ll all be bundled into a single roster spot. One black hole in the lineup instead of two. One stooge instead of two stooges equals fewer zany antics.

by DaCheez on Dec 9, 2010 5:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe Z is on the right track.

If he continues consolidating team flaws and concentrates them all into one player, we can tie up the player and burn him at the stake. Then we’ll all be free of this curse.

by DaCheez on Dec 9, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Ballparks in which Olivo homered last year:

Coors (10)
CIN
Miller Park
PETCO
RFK
The PETCO homer was a 379 footer.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 9, 2010 12:24 PM PST reply actions  

No, they moved out of that 2 years ago, I think

New park is Nationals Park. I’ve made the same mistake before, because I don’t really give a flip about the Nationals.

by JLC on Dec 9, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

No, they plaed in RFK for a fwe years while the new park was being built.

RFK is a old multiuse donut style affair. The Nats have a new baseball-specific park. It’s aight. Not a Safeco.

DC United is the only team that plays in RFK theses days.

by SeattExPat on Dec 9, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm, and every single one of those home runs would have been a home run in Safeco too.

Linky.

As would the majority of his 23 home runs the year before. Linky #2.

He doesn’t hit many cheap shots. And, for what it’s worth, he hit his home runs (on average) harder and farther last year than he did the year before. In 2009, his home runs went an average distance of 400.9’ at an average speed of 103.6 mph off the bat. Compare to Lopez the same year: 383.5’; 102.5 mph. Obviously a lot can affect these numbers, but it seems pretty obvious that Olivo not only has more power than Lopez, but has plenty of power to hit plenty of home runs in Safeco.

"Retarded isn't a race." -Thingray

by Matt Erickson on Dec 10, 2010 4:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I've seen people do this a lot, and every time I see it, I think to myself, "this means absolutely nothing".

You can’t just take a graph from Hittracker and overlay it on Safeco field and think that it means anything. There’s just too many things going on to assume it’s telling you anything.

What we know is that Safeco negatively affects hitters, especially right-handed hitters, and what we should expect is that it will negatively affect Miguel Olivo. Probably not an awful lot, as the park effect isn’t as extreme as many people make it out to be, but it will probably be there.

by nathaniel dawson on Dec 10, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Adam Moore better start sending Felix some flowers to try and win the spot for Felix's personal caddy.

@gbakermariners Geoff Baker
Reason M’s went Olivo over Zaun was they wanted a No. 1 guy, not a backup. Zaun is coming off injury and has been year to year a while now

by SgtSasquatch on Dec 9, 2010 12:36 PM PST reply actions  

Which Baker thinks is bull
gbakermariners No truth to rumor Zaun didn’t want to be on rebuilding team. His agent was pushing M’s right to end. Seattle was Zaun’s choice

by drblacknwhite on Dec 9, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

More twitterific rumoring

@ BrockandSalk In asking around about Zaun, one person suggested there was no way he could handle the Ms staff. He struggled defensively w/Shields last yr.

by msb on Dec 9, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

What in the hell? I say, I say there. What in the hell?

No way he could handle the M’s pitchers? It’s like one super duper pitcher that insists on throwing mostly fastballs and any number of mediocre guys that mostly insist on throwing fastballs. Or that one dipshit that decided he’s pitching to contact.

Zaun was awesome, older veteran white guy who might possibly be crazy. Like Sweeney but with catchers gear on

by Kermit. on Dec 9, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm in this category.

Heck, I wouldn’t even go as far to say it’s a ‘bad’ move I just personally don’t ant to watch Olivo.

by SgtSasquatch on Dec 9, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

This is most of it for me.

The move just isn’t exciting. We all want some big an exciting things to help us change so we don’t have to go through last year again. With other teams making huge, exciting moves, it’s hard to sit back and watch us sign one catcher who is just ok.

by SeattExPat on Dec 9, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Z didn't sign Miguel Olivo to a two year deal before now.

I’d have liked to see if Moore could hack it, especially in a year we aren’t going to do much in.

Dawg! He put da team on his back!

by JAH on Dec 9, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Adam Moore has to be traded right?

Not by law or anything….but you’d think a fairly young catcher that has hit fairly well in the minors would have to play his way into being a backup.

That usually takes more than one season…I’d think anyways.

I just have to think that Moore is going to be a part of a package somewhere…for something.

by PLU Tim on Dec 9, 2010 12:51 PM PST reply actions  

Moore could be traded, sure

Or he’s being pushed and protected. He was absolutely terrible last season and often looked overwhelmed. Would you really want that guy to start 100 times for a big league team in 2011? He’ll have a chance to get into his 50-60 games and take things slower, which for all we know could be far greater for his development.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 9, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder if they plan on running his old commercial.

The Tag

Might have to sign Randy Winn as the fourth outfielder though.

by Janic on Dec 9, 2010 1:12 PM PST reply actions  

Someone mentioned it before, but could these Mariner commercials

be having a bad influence on some of the younger players?

I forgot about Olivo’s commercial but then you have the Double Play Twins, etc. These young guys get featured in these dumb commercials and do they think they got it made? Well Olivo and the Double Play Twins (thank god we finally managed to got rid of them after they sucked so long) are hopefully different cases.

by NeighborTom2 on Dec 9, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh God those 2005 ads were the WORST

“Hey Pokey, the stolen base is in the next hour. This is the long ball!”

Although their ad is probably the only time ever that Jamie Moyer and Bobby Madritsch would be mentioned in the same sentence…

by Aly Edge on Dec 9, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously though, I can't think of a more average signing then this.

This is so… ‘average risk average reward’. He is middle of the road age wise. He’s kinda bad at some things and sorta good at others… He’s just so….ugh

by JamMasterJesus on Dec 9, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Fuck yeah he isn't.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Dec 9, 2010 6:39 PM PST up reply actions  

What I like about this deal is that no one interviewed Rob Johnson today.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Dec 9, 2010 8:56 PM PST reply actions   3 recs

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