12/6: Open Winter Meetings Day 1 Thread
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David Hernandez is a boring name.
He pitched in the majors last year, getting 0.6 fWAR. So, mildly interesting?
They already traded Lopez to the Rockies
by seattlebruin on Dec 6, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Don't worry, we've got Tui of them.
Mute the Sounders. Malamute the Huskies.
by thehemogoblin on Dec 6, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 9 recs
(That's somewhere between two and three.)
Mute the Sounders. Malamute the Huskies.
by thehemogoblin on Dec 6, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Oh my.
Cliff Lee is going to want 200 Million.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 6, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
The Chone Figgins contract looks so good now
JACK Z IS A GENIUS!
Josh Willingham is still interesting.
by Kenneth Arthur on Dec 6, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
We'd only get him for 1 year, I think.
And he’s injury-prone and not dirt cheap. At least he bats right-handed.
Is Uehara likely to remain a reliever for the rest of his career?
Otherwise he could provide nice insurance in the rotation in case Bedard gets hurt again.
In case?
To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.
The only reason he went to the bullpen was because of health.
He’s probably an average-ish starter if healthy.
Greetings from the media workroom at the winter meetings ...
It’s a big ballroom with lots of old, poorly-dressed, white guys.
by Ryan Divish on Dec 6, 2010 10:42 AM PST reply actions 13 recs
Continental or full breakfast?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Dec 6, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, Shannon is here.
to it’s credit, MLB.com has a handful of female writers as well.
I had thought MSB had said this, which was going to make me say "You would."
But she didn’t, and you did. Which ruins my joke.
Mute the Sounders. Malamute the Huskies.
by thehemogoblin on Dec 6, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
For once, the rich white man is in control!
Stats are not a euphemism for tits
by Trenchtown on Dec 6, 2010 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Mora probably negotiated on the premise that he had a lot of mouths to feed and got paid by the kid instead of the veteran's minimum he's actually werth
by seattlebruin on Dec 6, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
I can't believe no one has ever made that pun before about another high profile free agent
by seattlebruin on Dec 6, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Lincecum Available?
Is this for real?
…if this is true, who WOULDN’T you trade for him? Great contract, why in the world would they move their best young arm?
http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071105&content_id=2293155&vkey=new s_sf&fext=.jsp&c_id=sf
I hope you mean at the price he would command
because not wanting Lincecum is wrong.
by Robert on Dec 6, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
I rather have Felix and Jones over Linecum
And that is what it seems like it would come down to.
by Robert on Dec 6, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Well
Felix and Jones are probably PART of what I’d come down to. I imagine they might ask for Triunfel too. Except it’s the Giants, so you never know, I guess it could come down to Sexson and Washburn. In which case Bavasi needs to immediately ask where to sign. And if he did ever get offered that, and didn’t sign, then he needs to move to Antarctica pronto before any M’s fans find him.
by Robert on Dec 6, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Luckly the Giants ownership seems to have increased the Blow, Booze& Broads fund recently
So I will not have live through that type of silliness again. But if I have to see him leave the Giants the M’s would be favorite spot for me to hope for.
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
by daveinexile on Dec 6, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not even at that price?
I fucking hate you Mariners
I'll believe it when I see it
trading him away would be retarded. But hells yes I’d want him if we could make it happen.
Earl Thomas = God-send
by Modrik Zutar on Dec 6, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Publish date: 11/2007
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Dec 6, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Oh. I get it.
Funny. Gotta pay attention to those article dates
Earl Thomas = God-send
by Modrik Zutar on Dec 6, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Mariners Baseball: Overwhelming stench
The Mariners have money to spend but they are becoming a West Coast version of the Orioles, a place top-tier free agents avoid because the stench of losing is overwhelming
Given that the stuff about money is inaccurate, I’m not worried about the other comments.
"Steve Henson is the MLB editor for Yahoo! Sports. He previously worked at the Los Angeles Times, where he covered Major League Baseball, college football and college basketball and did investigative reporting. "
but not a lot of it, apparently.
by msb on Dec 6, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
At least this year, the Mariners don'thave money to spend.
At least under their current budget.
By this logic every team has money to spend.
Every owner or ownership group is filthy rich. Every one has “money to spend” but pesky things like budgets and reality always seem to get in the way. Not that it stops some fans from complaining that Nintendo should spend as much as the Steinbrenners.
No matter where you go, there you are.
Man, remember 10 years ago when we won a whole lot of games?
That was fun.
Morgan Ensberg for Manager 2011!
AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."
SF Chronicle reports A's have pulled 5yr/$64M offer to Beltre.
Now are pursuing Godzilla.
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Dec 6, 2010 11:28 AM PST reply actions
He'd look good in green.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Dec 6, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 7 recs
You can run and teal that.
Mute the Sounders. Malamute the Huskies.
by thehemogoblin on Dec 7, 2010 12:48 AM PST up reply actions
If we're going to bring in a DH that can't play the field they're going to have to hit better than Matsui
I would ideally only want to give up that roster flexibility for someone like Thome or Manny
Matsui has been a +20 hitter for the past two years, though.
And there’s no way Thome will sign with Seattle. Manny would be intriguing, I grant you.
He's 37, can't field, isn't an exceptional hitter, will cost 1/3 of the budget. Pass.
I’d rather use the spot on a veteran who can make big impact now, or go after someone else at another position and rotate some guys through DH.
I've always wondered what the truth was to this.
I’ve read theories that Ichiro doesn’t like Matsui because he jumped in a hottub out of turn back when both were in high school (Ichiro was the upperclassman and feld disrespected) and that some Japanese sense of hierarchy wouildn’t allow them to co-exist.
Both sound pretty flimsy to me and I’ve never read any statement from Ichiro on the matter. I can’t believe Ichiro would hold a 20 year grudge over something that stupid and we’ve had other Japense players on the team before.
No matter where you go, there you are.
I've talked to some people ...
And they think Ichiro would be very opposed to having Matsui on the same team.
Fair enough.
I’m sure other teams make similar concessions to their superstars, so I don’t have a problem with the Mariners doing it for Ichiro.
No matter where you go, there you are.
I've heard the same. I'm no reporter, but over time I've read a bunch of random articles that say the same thing.
Milton Bradley is my hero. R.I.P. Dave Niehaus
Also, I remember a while back at Yankee Stadium,
Matsui was supposed to come over and bow or something because he’s younger, and he never did that, and it was seen as very disrespectful.
Milton Bradley is my hero. R.I.P. Dave Niehaus
It would have to have been a national team...
as Ichiro and Godzilla attended different HS. Ichiro attended Aikoudai Meiden in Aichi-ken, while Godzilla attended Seiryou in Ishikawa-ken.
What do people here think about Jack Cust? Oakland just non-tendered him
What's the deal with corn nuts?
by BaronVonBullshit on Dec 6, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Cheaper too
What's the deal with corn nuts?
by BaronVonBullshit on Dec 6, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
Not a great hitter, still a good hitter
Branyan career – .234/.330/.490
Cust career – .245/.378/.452
People seem on board with bringing Branyan back at a low cost… Cust is younger, doesn’t have a history of injuries, and in an emergency you could put him in the outfield.
The first rate asshole issue may still be a problem though… otherwise I’d like Cust at the right price.
What's the deal with corn nuts?
by BaronVonBullshit on Dec 6, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
That's the only reason why he'd be more interesting
as a hitter he’s inferior to Manny in almost every way
by seattlebruin on Dec 6, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
If it came down to purely baseball terms, I think Cust being a lefty is actually beneficial
due to Safeco.
However, we are essentially swapping out a right handed bat (Lopez) for a lefty one (Ackley), even though the Kotchman/Branyan —> Smoak trade might help re-balance the lineup
by seattlebruin on Dec 6, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
But he'd be a sub for Saunders, Bradley, or Smoak, all of whom also hit left-handed.
He’d be stuck on the bench like Langerhans.
I consider him for cheap.
I like him more than Matsui, but word around the campfire is he’s a first rate asshole, so who knows. He also brings a flexibility problem though. You can’t really stick him in the OF.
You can't really put Matsui or Manny in the OF either
that’s the biggest reason smart teams relegate these guys to DH in the first place
by seattlebruin on Dec 6, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Even through his struggles the last two seasons
Manny has still posted a .400 OBA and a .500 SLG. He’s still in a class above Cust, Matsui, and the like.
by Poochie on Dec 6, 2010 3:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, Ozzie.
@OzzieGuillen I wish I was bruce bochy now the diva of the metting
@OzzieGuillen And he have sport coat loved
The second one makes me think of OzzieGuillen tweeting in iambic pentameter.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Dec 6, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Ozzie was pretty popular in his briefing.
It was packed around, mostly cause writers want to hear him say something truly insane.
by Ryan Divish on Dec 6, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ozzie, are you just looking at things at the Winter Meetings and saying you love them?
Or do you really love the sport coat?
No matter where you go, there you are.
by KC Mariner on Dec 6, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Ozzie bids farewell to his players
@OzzieGuillen I going to miss smiley and u family
@OzzieGuillenLiner good luck whit the braves buddy thanks to givme the best out a you
@OzzieGuillen Good luck jj was great to have you bro good job last season hope the best to u and u family
by msb on Dec 6, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
Seattle news!
From John Paul Morosi!
#Seattle #Mariners, not looking to spend big, are interested in Matt Diaz as a RH platoon partner for Michael Saunders in LF. #Braves #MLB
Milton Bradley is my hero. R.I.P. Dave Niehaus
Also, don't know if this has been posted yet, but the Upton rumors are officially dead and buried.
Diamondbacks GM Kevin Towers indicated Monday that Justin Upton will not be traded this offseason.
The D’Backs dangled Upton on the open market this fall, but they weren’t blown away by any offers. It’s possible that he could be shopped again this summer if Arizona is out of contention by June or July. Upton, 23, posted a .273/.356/.442 batting line, 17 homers and 18 steals in 2010.
RIP Dave Neihaus.
He was one of only 14 players in the 17/18 club! The Mariners should've made a better offer.
The 1/68/starting DH club is more exclusive.
Highly ranked international FA.
So yeah, good thing.
FUCK YEAH
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Dec 6, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
I asked Connor over Twitter
but does Peguero look like he could actually stick at SS?
There aren't many people that think so.
I don’t know about his arm strength, but he seems to be talked about as a guy who can’t quite hack it at short, but is really good elsewhere.
I’m more inclined to believe this opinion with the advances in local scouting, though I remember back in the day people said the same about Noriega.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Dec 6, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
Well that is a SHITLOAD of money for an IFA. So there has to be something somewhere I'm guessing without knowing anything about this guy.
by Kenneth Arthur on Dec 6, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
BA said it's the fourth highest bonus the Mariners have ever given out to a player.
Behind Ackley, Ichiro, and Jeffy.
Buster Olney reports that Eric Chavez tires are now on 60 day DL.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Dec 6, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 24 recs
If you kick those tires too hard, the entire frame will collapse.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Dec 6, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
I hope they just take the chance to kick Eric Chavez around for a while just for the fun of it.
They should not be considering him for the team though. A broken 3b/dh with a .268 wOBA fits in all too well with the 2010 Mariners.
I think they mean that they're kicking the tires on the Segway that Eric Chavez will ride when he plays in the field for us.
I’m pretty sure that Dave Cameron, the noted Segway enthusiast, will heartily approve.
Morosi says Mariners are looking at Cust and Matsui
It’s sad that I’m really excited about Cust.
I think Cust is my preference for DH
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by Griffin Cooper on Dec 6, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
We are so lucky to have gotten an appoitment.
by Kenneth Arthur on Dec 6, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
But what else will we have to laugh/go-into-suicidal-rage about?
"That's fuckin' ingenious, if I understand it correctly. It's a Swiss fuckin' watch. "
by the other side on Dec 6, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
But if the team's not expecting to contend next year, why waste money here?
The $1 million needed for Zaun could go elsewhere.
If I had the money, I would gladly pay $1 million not to have to watch Rob Johnson.
I am glad someone who has the money apparently agrees.
Maybe it will be cheaper.
Z: “Hi Gregg Zauns agent. Thanks for meeting with me. I know you are a busy man. Now, first off, let me say that we’d like Gregg for one year, and of course we’ll get him two sets of season ticket-”
Gregg Zauns agent: “DONE!”
by Kenneth Arthur on Dec 6, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Vizquel-style mentor role?
Moore could be here for a while if his bat develops. It’s a throw-away year, so why not pick up a veteran catcher with good defense who (speculation) could show Adam the finer points of catching and keep the development process going? It’s not like $1 million is going to buy us a championship, or even a playoff berth this year, so I can see the thought process.
Plus, Zaun playing defense is fun to watch. I love watching him play defense. Mariners fans loved Dan Wilson. We all hated watching Rob Johnson drop the ball. This is, at the very least, money spent to make the team easier to stand.
I'll never see this type of money
But I think 1 million is pretty trivial to a team that has a 94 million dollar payroll. If 1 million would prevent them from going after a DH or SP they really, really wanted, I think Zduriencik could manage to squeeze it out.
Remember that the MLB minimum is 450,000. Swapping out Rob for Zaun saves you 550,000, assuming Rob is making the absolute minimum.
by JLC on Dec 6, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
As far as I can tell, Rob Johnson will make 412,500 next year on the major league club and go into arbitration for the first time in 2011.
by Kenneth Arthur on Dec 6, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
It might be worth keeping him just to see that arbitration hearing.
"That's fuckin' ingenious, if I understand it correctly. It's a Swiss fuckin' watch. "
by the other side on Dec 6, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
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Arbitrator: Let’s see. You had seventy-two passed balls in the span of eighty-nine games and you were so terrible at the plate that they’re now referring to it as the Johnson Line.
Johnson: Is that bad?
Arbitrator: You owe the Seattle Mariners $275,832.58.
by BrianL on Dec 6, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
.
Johnson: But sir, Felix likes me!
Felix: No
Johnson: But…
Felix: No
Johnson: Awwwww
"That's fuckin' ingenious, if I understand it correctly. It's a Swiss fuckin' watch. "
by the other side on Dec 6, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
It's pretty simple actually.
Felix likes Rob Johnson because Rob Johnson gives him the impression that his pitches are so good, they’re almost impossible to even catch.
Felix doesn’t seem to realize that most pitches, for Rob Johnson, are impossible to catch.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Dec 6, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Rob Johnson is the catching version of a fluffer.
by ThomasG on Dec 6, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Isn't this like the fourth offseason in a row we've been linked to Zaun?
Hope we get him this time.
Diamondbacks sign Putz for 2yr, 10 mil with an option for '13
When I heard the Putz/DBacks rumors, I expected another crazily overpriced closer signing. This one actually seems reasonable. When healthy, he’s one of the best relievers in baseball.
Towers has been a busy man today....
What's the deal with corn nuts?
by BaronVonBullshit on Dec 6, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
Apparently he's not all rumors...
Every time you masturbate... God kills a kitten? Fuck kittens.
by Matt Erickson on Dec 6, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
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