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On Felix's No-Trade Clause

We have Larry Stone to thank for this even becoming a subject of conversation. Nice going, Larry. And The Hot Stone League? Really? I've met you a few times. More like The Fairly Acceptable For His Age Group Stone League, or The Well I Guess If I Had To Stone League. You're all right, but you're no Chris Seddon.

Anyhoo, because Felix Hernandez's name has come up in trade chatter - not trade rumors, but simple trade chatter - a few people have recently looked at his contract and noticed that he has a limited no-trade clause. And upon further investigation, it's been revealed that one of the teams on his ten-team list is the Yankees.

That revelation, as you can imagine, has been celebrated. Felix doesn't want to play for the Yankees! All right! It goes neatly with the story of how Felix turned down the Yankees when he signed as a teenage free agent. But as it happens, this is one of those things that makes for a fun story, but probably misses the truth.

For one thing - and this goes way back - it seems his dad was responsible for his signing with Seattle. And as far as his current no-trade list is concerned, Jon Heyman had a few tweets on the subject earlier today, reading:

king felix doesnt have #yankees on no-trade list bec he fears nyc. rather, it appears strategic -- 10 biggest markets r on list

likely reason felix lists only big-market teams on no-trade is those teams are more likely to 1) trade for him, 2) pay him to waive right

Obviously, we don't know for sure why Felix's ten teams are Felix's ten teams, but if all ten are the big boys, then I think Heyman's reasoning is spot on - it makes sense to protect against the teams most likely to trade for you, and those are also the ten teams likely to pay him the most to waive his no-trade clause in the hypothetical event of a deal. It's a good use of a limited list.

Some people might find that a little deflating. Everybody wants to believe that Felix just wants to win with Seattle, so that we can feel like this is a two-way commitment. But what's important to understand is that you really shouldn't read too much into a player's contract if you can help it. For one thing, every player understands that, at its heart, baseball is a business. And for another thing, players have agents, and it's the agent's responsibility to secure the best deal possible. That's what he gets paid to do. And when a guy gets the best deal possible, then it doesn't really matter how he feels about a team - those feelings aren't going to show up in the terms of his contract. There are a ton of players who feel strongly about playing for certain organizations. There are far fewer players who end up signing contracts like Kerry Wood's. It doesn't mean much.

Try not to worry. Just because it's possible that Felix could get traded, and that Felix could get traded to the Yankees, doesn't mean it's going to happen. He's signed here for the next four years. He loves the city, the city loves him, and the organization is on the path towards building him a winner. I can't promise that it'll all work out for the best, but I can promise that, barring some complete and total surprise, we're going to get a chance to find out if it does.

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Has this really become a thing?

I hadn’t really heard anything except for comments on articles about the Lee signing.

How long until Ackley time?
AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."

by joof on Dec 17, 2010 2:51 PM PST reply actions  

When I first saw that Stone piece, I rolled my eyes pretty hard.

Normally I like him, but I didn’t see the point of getting buzz going when there doesn’t seem to be any truth to it outside of his column and comments on Pinstripe Alley. But then I saw the poll results, and apparently there are PLENTY of fans who don’t see the idea as sacrilege. So… in my face, I guess.

by Joe Metro on Dec 17, 2010 2:51 PM PST reply actions  

May depend on people's definition of "blown away".

I think Jason Churchill put it best when he said something to the tune of: “Not unless we get Montero, Betances, Cano, they pick up Milton Bradley’s contract, and give us 2 billion dollars.”

I think I’d do that.

by dkulich on Dec 17, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

More like...

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*all recs should be forwarded to w00tah

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Dec 18, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I saw some story titled "Should M's trade Felix to Yankees?"

My thinking is if we get 8 guys in return, including Cano, Montero, and Romine, maybe. Otherwise not a chance.

by Aly Edge on Dec 17, 2010 4:22 PM PST reply actions  

GMZ is always going to attempt to put the best team on the field, period.

But, yeah, this is a bit farfetched. Like, “I had nothing else to write about” farfetched. I still love Stone; no one’s perfect.

Love the game, love the beer, love your team.

by THolt on Dec 17, 2010 4:26 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Unless there's something cool post-Winter Meetings, there's not much to write about.

The later part of the off-season doesn’t contain many eye-popping headlines, and the Mariners haven’t had any acquisitions that would motivate general fans to catch up on their team. You’re going to shoot me for this, but I think he’s caught between a Stone and a hard place.

M's fan in PA, soon to be LA

by perfectstrat on Dec 17, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't begrudge Stone this blog post.

There were people talking about the Yankees trading for Felix. Larry makes a post wonder if the M’s SHOULD trade him to the Yanks, and what it would cost to make it even remotely doable. This isn’t exactly making news from nothing, people were already talking about it. Stone just commented on it.

Dawg! He put da team on his back!

by JAH on Dec 17, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions   4 recs

That's a good point.

More importantly, it was made civilly. Thanks.

Love the game, love the beer, love your team.

by THolt on Dec 18, 2010 2:26 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

It all seems so much more scary than last year, when Baker blogged the same thing

First: I’d be shattered if the Mariners traded Felix. It’d be like trading hope. There’s no way I’d ever be OK with a trade.

Still, it’s Z at the helm. And I’d bet a dozen donuts that our GM thinks that Felix is worth more as a playoff pitcher than he is on a .500-level (if we’re lucky) team, and that Felix is therefore under-utilized on a bad team. Guys like Z? They don’t abide underutilized assets.

I’ve spent the past few days trying not to worry. I’ve also spent the past few days trying to not drink to excess. Can’t. Help. It.

by chrisfyall on Dec 17, 2010 11:22 PM PST reply actions  

I really don't agree with this statement.

I think that player wins start becoming less valuable at a certain point when a team hits about 90 or so wins expected.

by Kirk on Dec 18, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Wins become more valuable as you get more wins, because improving by 1 more win becomes more and more difficult.

However, there is still a 0% chance Felix gets traded. Much like a trade to get Evan Longoria would be, it would be a trade that gutted a top farm system for years.

How long until Ackley time?
AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."

by joof on Dec 18, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually agree with you about that...

However, in the 85-90 range, wins are extremely valuable, and so are the next few as well I believe, because here they have a large effect on playoff probability.

For teams already likely to make the playoffs – Phils are a good example – the value is odd. I guess it depends on the degree to which the team believes it can buy playoff probability increases. SOME teams clearly spend with that in mind.

by Patrick42 on Dec 19, 2010 5:29 AM PST up reply actions  

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