A Cliff Lee Poll
Update: game over. Phillies it is!
For the longest time, it looked like this was coming down to a battle between the Rangers and Yankees. Either Lee would take the giant contract and go to New York in search of a title, or he'd take a little less - and lesser odds of winning - to stay closer to his Arkansas home.
But tonight, out of nowhere, it seems the Phillies have emerged as a surprise and hilarious suitor. And that could change everything. So I want to know: where do Mariners fans want to see Lee wind up? Keep the contracts in mind. Do you want to see Lee sign a giant six-year deal with Texas, a gianter seven-year deal with New York, or whatever the hell the Phillies have put on the table?
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Just in terms of the destinations, I'd expect Philly to be unanimous
but Lee’s 32, so the contract matters.
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 13, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, thats true, misread your intent of the poll.
So I shall say, Philly of course, assuming they offer up a competitive contract.
by Patrick Stites on Dec 13, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
Get him out of the AL West and away from the Yankees.
And rub Jack Z’s trade victory in the face of the Phillies for every game he starts in the duration of the contract while we’re at it.
Mute the Sounders. Malamute the Huskies.
by thehemogoblin on Dec 13, 2010 7:56 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Long live Zduriencik.
Mute the Sounders. Malamute the Huskies.
by thehemogoblin on Dec 13, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
HAIL TO THE Z
This is a happy day for Mariners fans :)
"Retarded isn't a race." -Thingray
by Matt Erickson on Dec 13, 2010 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
I voted Phillies. I want to cheer for him next year, but not as a Yankee or a Ranger.
You deserve the payday, Cliff, might as well have the Phillies sign the checks and pitch against the NL.
Philly
Not only does he stay away from both the Yankees and Rangers, he gets to torment them should either ever make a WS against the Phillies.
Huh. I misread the question like an idiot and voted for the wrong one.
This is why I tend to not respond to polls =(. My answer should be Phillies.
Although I’ll pretend like I meant my answer and justify it thusly:
Definitely Texas. For one, Fuck Cliff Lee. He was a Mariner for 2 months. For two, the longer he’s on the contract the more likely he gets injured. We’re not competing this year, I don’t mind him being good next year, and hopefully he’ll collapse Texas’s payroll afterward. He probably won’t be as good in Texas anyway since his pitching style involves more contact. Also, it would be nice to have the Yankees not get what they want and I hate Philadelphia.
Yep, let’s say that’s my reasoning. Woo reasoning!
...and now I'm here
But really Phillies since I'd prefer not to think about him or care.
...and now I'm here
Phillies
Because he’ll never play against us again, so we can root for him unashamedly while holy s*** he turned Tyson Gillies into Justin Smoak!!!
This is really the important part.
Phillippe Aumont, J.C. Ramirez, Tyson Gillies, Mark Lowe → Justin Smoak, Josh Lueke, Matt Lawson, Blake Beavan
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Dec 13, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And the Rangers gambled on Lee wanting to re-sign and lost.
Meanwhile, they get to face Justin Smoak for years and years in our lineup.
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Dec 13, 2010 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
They get a first rounder and sandwich though.
by Mariner John on Dec 14, 2010 1:09 AM PST up reply actions
Acceptable loss.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Dec 14, 2010 6:16 AM PST up reply actions
Are the Phillies morans?
I can imagine trading away one ace for another. “We’re going a different direction with the top of our rotation.”
But to give him away for 3 prospects with pulses, give up his last cost controlled year, and then decide that you want him enough to back up dump truck of Sacajawea dollar coins to his house, that’s pretty stupid.
Seriously, they need to get a brain.
...and now I'm here
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"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Dec 13, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
Rec'd on the assumption that that person's surname is Moran.
by Eyeball Kid on Dec 13, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Brian Moran, LHP
7th round draft pick out of UNC in 2009, which you would know if you read my posts you whore.
by Graham MacAree on Dec 13, 2010 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 10 recs
It's weird that we not only drafted three players from UNC in the first ten rounds, but that they all have a legitimate shot to contribute in the big leagues.
We also had one North Carolina State guy. He’s all right.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Dec 13, 2010 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
Your post was written 18 months ago and contained a far different picture of Brian Moran
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 13, 2010 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Because even when it comes to you in a dream, you forget it in another dream.
...and now I'm here
If I had remembered it, I would have used that picture.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Dec 13, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
Have you taken an econ class?
It’s a sunk cost, it was a stupid decision but there is no point in them worrying about it now when it’s in the past. Halladay Lee Hamels Oswalt starting four, good god.
No, that's ridiculous
They already have a #1 in Halladay, so they should trade Oswalt and Hamels for a #2 and a #3, and then find a #4 instead of signing Cliff Lee. Philadelphia just doesn’t understand how a rotation should be built.
by nathaniel dawson on Dec 13, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Of course they're smart for signing him.
They were idiots for letting him go in the first place, and this just underscores that mistake a whole lot.
jon heyman has been saying it.
Hilarious-he was getting blown up about the mystery team this am. So happy he was right.
by wazzu93 on Dec 13, 2010 9:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Only reason that guy's employed is because Scott Boras talks to him before anyone else.
Mute the Sounders. Malamute the Huskies.
by thehemogoblin on Dec 13, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
I searched for this on Twitter.
5 seconds later there were 1,012 Tweets I missed. 10 seconds later, 1,372. Apparently this is big news. Who knew?
...and now I'm here
Give them Fister and Vargas for Oswalt and Hamels. Should fix that problem.
Mute the Sounders. Malamute the Huskies.
Reply fail.
Mute the Sounders. Malamute the Huskies.
by thehemogoblin on Dec 13, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
Geez.
The Angels and Rangers both have a whole lot of money and nowhere to put it.
by Fuckmikereilly on Dec 13, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
That's why strippers wear shoes...
Mute the Sounders. Malamute the Huskies.
by thehemogoblin on Dec 13, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No, they can give it to Beltre. Texas needs to replace the face, and the Angels need
some option at 3B. If Beltre’s smart he waits for a seriously long and very lucrative contract. Who’s his agent again…nevermind.
by TrustBaseball on Dec 13, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
The Rangers biggest contract is at third base.
The Angels make too much sense though…
by Fuckmikereilly on Dec 13, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
Wow
Sherman says it’s in the 5 year, $100 million range. He must have left a ton of money on the table.
My Mariners blog SodoMojo, My Twitter Feed
Cliff Fucking Lee you did right.
You will have a hard time spending 100 million. Obviously you don’t want to make it any harder on yourself. Well played.
by TrustBaseball on Dec 13, 2010 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Guess spitting on Cliff Lee's wife was a bad idea after all.
Dawg! He put da team on his back!
Bigger news story: Cliff Lee signing with Phillies or outrage by Yankee fans that they don't get everything they want?
...and now I'm here
Holy shit. Way to go Philly!
there will be so much pants shitting in NYC tomorrow over missing out on all the big guys.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 13, 2010 9:07 PM PST reply actions
The subways will be smellier than usual!
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Dec 13, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So can we go in and try to help the Phillies shave some payroll?
I fucking hate you Mariners
I'll be going to Cliff's start and cheering him the whole game
Man’s given Mariner fans so much joy in the past year.
Aw crap
Now we have to listen to Yankee fans get bent out of shape for the next 5 years.
It'll be about Felix by then
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 13, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
That would involve listening to Yankee fans
but as RC said, who really gives a shit what they think or say?
Some of them are already floating retarded Felix trades
To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.
I'll take their entire farm system.
Save Jack the time rebuilding.
"Retarded isn't a race." -Thingray
by Matt Erickson on Dec 13, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
Look forward to the New York press tomorrow
Cliff Lee is a jerk
We don’t want him anyway
We weren’t wiling to bow to his extortionist demands
It’s gonna be awesome. They might be ready to start now on ESPN if they could stop blowing Brett Favre for five minutes.
by surfmonkey89 on Dec 13, 2010 9:27 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Cliff Lee is awesome. I'm irrationally taking this move as evidence he clearly loves us.
He can’t stand to play against us.
by SethGrandpa on Dec 13, 2010 9:27 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I'm a little sad he's in the NL
I won’t see him as much any more.
heh.
“It wasn’t about the $ or winning. If it was the Yankees would’ve been his pick. The $ and a chance to win. He wanted to be back in Philly. Good for him.”
This is my favorite thing ever.
How long until Ackley time?
AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."
Truly great news.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Dec 13, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
Wonder what we're gonna have to give Philadelphia to get him this time.
We don’t have Maikel Cleto anymore. Maybe Josh Fields, Rich Poythress, and the recently DFAed Rob Johnson for good measure?
by DAMellen on Dec 13, 2010 9:39 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Now we know
why Rob was DFAed. That Jack is a crafty one, he is.
Not encumbered by the thought process.
by Bart's Evil Twin on Dec 13, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
Serious question
Shouldn’t the ridiculous American League be a selling point to get great free agents in the NL, at least in the short term?
You can tell the guy, look, you can go sign for a ton of money with Texas, Anaheim, New York or Boston. Great, you’ll never get to a World Series though, because in order to do so you’ll have to go through three of: Texas, Anaheim, New York and Boston. Or you could come join us, coast to the World Series and only have to face one of them. Your choice.
So
the Phillies have Leee, Halladay, Oswalt and Hamels and the Mariners have Felix, Fister, Vargas, maybe Bedard, and David Pauley and/or Luke French. We’re going to lose 150 games next season.
The Phillies rotation has no bearing on how many games we win, and you've conveinently neglected to mention Michael Pineda in your argument.
by Fuckmikereilly on Dec 13, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
Like Jeff said, I doubt Pineda makes the opening day roster due to the whole service time issues.
And I was really saying how our rotation looks so much worse without Lee in it this year.
So Lee was worth 50 wins in 2 months?
Man, with a full season, we wouldn’t have lost a single game. A SINGLE GAME!
How long until Ackley time?
AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."
Philly's rotation is 'eh'
I’ll be impressed with the Phils when they acquire Greinke to round out the back end of the rotation.
Surprising and Awesome news.
Now I can continue to root for Cliff Lee!
Hallday-Lee-Oswalt-Hamels-Whoever

Also, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA TEXAS! And HAHAHAHAHAHA Yankees!
If Lee wasn’t signing with us, this was the best case scenario.
RIP Dave Neihaus.
There is something terribly wrong with that mans head.
It looks kind of like a pinto bean
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
by beastwarking on Dec 13, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Is that James Cromwell?
It is best to stay away from a man when his blood is up, Edmund.
His blood is always up.
Perhaps you should stay away from him altogether then.
Joe Blanton...
Yes, No, Maybe?
Word is they’re looking to ship him off on the cheap to make room for Lee.
I still wish Joe Blanton's fat whale ass would spontaneously combust for pushing Ichiro
Joe Blanton is a fat disgusting pig who sweats when he eats. I want him no where near the Mariners.
by RustyJohn on Dec 13, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Can the Mariners afford him?
He makes $8.5 million in 2011 and 2012.
by Coach Owens on Dec 13, 2010 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
Renegotiate his contract and pay him in Crisco and Orca fat. If he played for the M's I'd defecate in my hands and throw it at him every game he pitched.
“Fuck?!?! Where’s that shit coming from? Maybe I’ll eat it.”
by RustyJohn on Dec 13, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
That's a waste of a perfectly good orca.
Dawg! He put da team on his back!
Perhaps then the Husband Orca could track down Joe Blanton and kill him...
like they did to Richard Harris in “Orca: The Killer Whale.”
Only if they send us a bunch of cash
Which would kind of defeat the purpose of trading Joe Blanton to clear payroll for Lee…
I'd just say fuck it and have the "5th starter" just be a collection of relievers every time out.
Because yeah gotta find some way to get those guys some work now.
RIP Dave Neihaus.
by Goose on Dec 13, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So the Yankees lost out on Cliff Lee TWICE....
Bwhahahahahahaha!
by ThundaPC on Dec 13, 2010 10:19 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Yea, and
I’m sure some of them will blame us for “backing out” on the NYY deal.
I’m so glad NY and Texas lost out.
by surfmonkey89 on Dec 13, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Suck on it, Yankees.
Here’s a great takedown Matt Taibbi did on Yankee fans/Cliff Lee after the World Series ended. All the more enjoyable now that they got deservedly and richly screwed like the losers they are.
Late to the party...
YYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does anybody here remember how Felix was just voted the best pitcher in the American League?
Over Cliff Lee.
by Robert on Dec 13, 2010 10:59 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Or poor decisions to make involving WD-40.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
Cliff Lee can even throw an impressive curveball in the offseason.
This turned out way better than I thought it was going to.
by mont_mariner on Dec 13, 2010 11:05 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
This turned out perfectly, except not for the Yankee$ or the Ranger$. Thank you Cliff Fucking Lee.
I’ve got your M’s jersey and I will wear it proudly, especially now that you’ve turned down the money and will play where you want to play for the next 5 years. I wish you the very best .
by TrustBaseball on Dec 13, 2010 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
Mystery Team!!
Apparently Philly woke up the morning after the Cliff Lee trade and realized “Hey…we could have more than one awesome starter at the same time.”
by short on Dec 13, 2010 11:10 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Oh this is so great!
I think I will worship Cliff Lee forever. I already did because of his pitching. But now… he fucked the Yankees big-time! What an awesome human being!
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