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The American League results of the winter's biggest punchline are out, and the good news is that both Ichiro and Franklin Gutierrez managed to pick up Gold Gloves. The awesome news is that Torii Hunter did not. Hunter and Ichiro each came into the year riding a streak of nine consecutive awards, but only Ichiro has made it into double digits. As much as these things don't matter, at least they're actively not mattering in our favor.

Voting on these honors is done by AL managers and coaches, and, as has long been apparent, this is an imperfect system. We don't even need to bring UZR or +/- into this - you just can't expect much accuracy from a pool of voters who are basing their decisions on a handful of plays they observed over the course of the year. Sometimes people joke that a player only won because he made a highlight-reel play back in June, but then those are, after all, the plays that stand out in one's memory. So, who knows?

There's no sense in pointing out all that's wrong with the Gold Glove process. Not again, not anymore. Everybody knows it's screwed up. We're all the preachers, and we're all the choir. The only reason these awards matter at all is that the players like receiving them, so rather than complain about how unfair and subjective it all is, I'm just going to be happy that, in a season so terrible, two Mariners were recognized, and one for the first time. The first Gold Glove is the hardest to win, so kudos to Gutierrez for locking it up despite a mediocre year at the plate. He earned this, whether he earned it in 2010 or in 2009.

And, of course, Ichiro's totally amazing. There should probably be an annual Ichiro Award, that's always given to Ichiro, until he retires, at which point the award is no longer handed out.

Derek Jeter. Hilarious. But Ichiro and Gutierrez? Whatever. We can bitch, or we can be happy. I choose to be happy. In 2010, we've all bitched enough.

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There should probably be an annual Ichiro Award, that’s always given to Ichiro, until he retires, at which point the award is no longer handed out.

Couldn’t agree more.

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by eyebleaf on Nov 9, 2010 1:15 PM PST reply actions   6 recs

Okay, I have to ask the (currently) four people that rec'd this comment,

why?

There are no recs on the post itself and this comment consists of nothing more than agreeing with a specific sentence of the post. So you agree with eyebleaf agreeing with Jeff?

I don’t get it.

by Matthew on Nov 9, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions   7 recs

Question

What’s the point of rec’ing posts on the front page?

by doublemazaa on Nov 9, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a sign of appreciation.

Conversely I would ask what the point of not reccing is, just because it’s practically meaningless. It makes people feel good about their contributions, so I find it odd that there are people that don’t do it as though they are taking a stand.

But Matthew’s question is important and I would also like to know the answer.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Nov 9, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think it's a question of recognition.

As you pointed out in your initial question, eyebleaf didn’t really add anything, he just called attention to a specific line. In this usage, I think the rec is serving as a “seconded”. They saw a line repeated that they liked, and recced the comment as a way of saying “I agree, that was a good line”. I don’t think these people are particularly concerned about who “gets the credit” (my phrase, obviously, not yours). Jeff’s feelings didn’t weigh into the decision of where they stated their approval.

by Lanky on Nov 9, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

You're right. They should have just posted, "This" underneath the comment to show their agreement.

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by joof on Nov 10, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought the recs were hipster-ironic recs

Seeing as the comment in question has no subject line and a long signature. So it’s either ironic-hipster recs, pity recs, pile-on recs or confused-sheep recs. Or rec inflation.

by lemonverbena on Nov 9, 2010 9:51 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I rec'd it because people were whining about it being rec'd.

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by joof on Nov 10, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

No, no, no.

The Ichiro Award should still be handed out after Ichiro retires (in a few decades) to anyone who meets the high standards of the award. Which will likely be no one.

Hasta tu suenos.

by quacker27 on Nov 9, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

That's Gold Glove winner Franklin Gutierrez to you.

This feels like a “Oops sorry about last year Franklin”. Heres hoping this is the start to a long run.

"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."

by the other side on Nov 9, 2010 1:26 PM PST reply actions  

Quoting my Facebook update....

“This is the 24th season the Mariners have won a Gold Glove, the longest current streak in the majors.”

by wes W on Nov 9, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Passing fad

Count on it.

"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."

by the other side on Nov 9, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Since Mark Langston in 1987.

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by Hypnofelix on Nov 9, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Langston, also the first Mariner to earn one.

Excuse me, “earn.”

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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Nov 9, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I figured Elvis Andrus had enough attention to win this year.

Doesn’t he have more “ESPN Web Gems” than Jeter? I thought that was the voting criterion.

by Lanky on Nov 9, 2010 4:38 PM PST reply actions  

He will probably get it next year. You almost always get your first award a year after you first "earn" it.

It may be like the Hall of Fame voters who will not vote for someone in the first year of eligibility even though they know they will vote for the person in subsequent years even though the person has obviously done nothing in the ensuing year to enhance his HOF career. At least with the Gold Glove the person does have some degree of control by doing something positive in the waiting period.

by Droid Rage on Nov 9, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Just watching Alexei Ramirez

During the couple series we played the White Sox made me think he deserved it, he was unbelievable against us.

by WestCoastBias. on Nov 9, 2010 7:13 PM PST reply actions  

Now all we need is a gold glove in left field. Will the Condor show up?

Is there any reason Casey Kotchman wouldn’t have won a gold glove had he played twenty more games? Although it’s not like he held a record for errorless innings or anything… oh wait….

by Darth Flamingo on Nov 9, 2010 11:31 PM PST reply actions  

He wasn't that good this year in general and errors are not only a meaningless stat for those that like stats

It is also a profoundly meaningless stat for first baseman, since they barely make any errors anyway. I think even managers recognize that.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Nov 10, 2010 2:43 AM PST up reply actions  

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