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As Matthew already noted, the Mariners have declined their 2011 options on Erik Bedard, Russell Branyan, and Jose Lopez. The first two have thus become free agents, while Lopez has become nothing, nothing at all, despite all of the promise and all of the skills. He remains under team control and could settle for a mild raise from his 2010 salary, but this is likely the first step on the path towards seeing him disappear.

Please do note the use of 'likely' over 'definitely', though. Nothing is guaranteed, and there are reasons the team might want Lopez back. Take nothing for granted.

Anyway, that isn't all that happened. Via Matt Pitman, we learn that Ryan Langerhans and Guillermo Quiroz have become free agents, and from Mike Curto, we learn that Ryan Feierabend, Chris Seddon, and Sean White have been outrighted and may become free agents as well. Any of these players could come back and play in Tacoma, but any of them could not, too, and none of them would represent any sort of loss.

Langerhans, of course, we like, but he doesn't have much of a place. Quiroz is a 28 year old who spent most of last season in AA. Feierabend is unbelievably still only 25, but that's three years older than when he was unbelievably still only 22, and he's got nothing. And Seddon was probably better than White but worse than Jesus Colome, and this team saw fit to get rid of Colome in June. With Don Wakamatsu long gone and a new guy with zero ties to the organization in charge, the front office can finally stop pretending like Sean White has much of anything to offer to a Major League baseball team.

The Mariners may not go on to fill these 40-man roster spots with exciting and capable stars, but new blood is all I ask. Of the lesser players, Langerhans is the only one of these guys I'd maybe want to see in Seattle ever again.

Update: turns out the Diamondbacks grabbed Brian Sweeney off waivers as well. Brian Sweeney struck out four guys in his first four innings. He struck out ten in his last 33. Sweeney's the kind of heartwarming story that bad teams like to publicize, and for which good teams have little place. Surely Sweeney's all contact/flyball strategy will allow him great success in Arizona.

2nd Update: Casey Kotchman refused assignment and has become a free agent.

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Langerhans is useful

as a 4th outfielder. If they can get him back cheap I’d be in favor of it.

by Paul AB on Nov 3, 2010 1:34 PM PDT reply actions  

CHEAP is the word here.

That role is pretty easy to fill, although he did give us some flexibilty in that he could play 1b in a pinch.

"There! I just sold you for a cigarette! And I don't smoke!"

by Thingray on Nov 3, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Slightly below average CF defense, exceptional corner OF defense, and can play 1B

Plus slightly below average hitting (91 career wRC+).

I would imagine he could find a NL team that would give him a fair amount of playing time with that versatility. If not, I’d be happy to have him as a 5th OF (assuming the DH is the 4th OF) in 2011.

by CMC_Stags on Nov 3, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

At this rate, he will have a 4.00 xFIP in 2020.

Morgan Ensberg for Manager 2011!
AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."

by joof on Nov 3, 2010 2:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Stupid reply failure.

Morgan Ensberg for Manager 2011!
AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."

by joof on Nov 3, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

We have a lot of players that will need to go on the 40-man this offseason anyway.

Prospects ‘n’ shit.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Nov 3, 2010 3:14 PM PDT reply actions  

The pro-shit campaign took a big hit after today.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Nov 3, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   9 recs

NO POLITICS

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Nov 3, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   6 recs

Do you have a list of propsects at hand that will require protecting for the Rule 5 draft?

Just curious which guys we’ll need to add, and the rules governing the rule 5 draft always confuse me.

by JLC on Nov 3, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's mentally filed.

I’ll have a post up in the coming weeks about it. I may need to check with marc if he wants to collaborate on it.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Nov 3, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

You two could always do a Jeff/Matthew...

And put up USSM stories about it within 5 minutes of each other… The first one would be a brief snapshot of players likely to be put on the 40 that would be dwarfed by the second post detailing who will and won’t make it onto the 40 and the reasons for each.

This would then be followed by an edit to link to the original story now obscured and made irrelevant by the second.

by CMC_Stags on Nov 3, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Needs more snappy remarks.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Nov 3, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bill Bavasi - the gift that just keeps on giving

Although draft picks are not slam dunks, Bill’s choices worked out even less often than most GMs

by New England Fan on Nov 4, 2010 5:13 AM PDT reply actions  

They were pretty terrible at drafting under Gillick.

2001, for example, when we drafted Michael Garciaparra, noted soccer player, over David Wright, noted baseball player. The best player to come out of that draft for us? Either Rene Rivera or Bobby Livingston.

In the ‘00 draft, where we didn’t have a pick until round four, our best one was Jamal Strong. The ‘02 draft, because we didn’t sign Mayberry, or Esteve-Martinez, or Travis Buck, yielded us a fringe LHRP (Cate), who didn’t succeed until he left, a fifth outfielder (Bohn), and a quad-A first baseman (LaHair). ‘03 wasn’t bad by comparison but those were some lean years.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Nov 4, 2010 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Imagine how bad the farm Bavasi inherited would have been if it weren't for Engle.

Of course, considering his trades, maybe it was like giving a drunk the keys to a Shelby.

by ThomasG on Nov 4, 2010 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you trying to say that's a bad process asking for a bad result?

My bad.

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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Nov 4, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think in time we may find some similarly lean years

in the Fontaine/Bavasi years. I know we were happy with them at the time, but compare ’02 or ’03 to ’05 or ’07. The Fontaine drafts may eventually turn out OK given that many of the players are still active, but… wastelands.

We’re at a point where Anthony Varvaro and Justin Thomas are battling it out to be the most valuable player from that draft. Jeff Clement’s added 0 WAR, or exactly the same as Michael Garciaparra. Sure, Thomas and Varvaro were below replacement level last year, but they’re still kicking around. Anyway, to sum up, the 2005 draft has thus far produce a total of 0.5 wins BELOW replacement.

2007 still has a chance, but it’s at negative .3 WAR at this point, and Aumont, Nick Hill, Joe Dunigan and Denny “More Halman than Halman” Almonte aren’t exactly beating the door down right now.

2006 was very good, though Morrow’s good for Toronto, Tillman’s still got a chance for Baltimore and Adam Moore is not Rob Johnson (but still -0.5 WAR career). The guy that saves the draft from a Mariner WAR point of view is Doug Fister.

by marc w on Nov 4, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was a different kind of bad.

For example, in Fontaine drafts we picked risky players who had baseball before in their lives. I think that alone is a plus.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Nov 4, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I'm done giving him a pass for 'approach'

Getting useful skills that aren’t properly valued is great. Getting things that aren’t valued isn’t a strategy in itself. It has to work. Here’s hoping Tenbrink’s really good or something.

The track record here is just…yikes. Not sure how many teams got so little back on 4 years of drafts.
The Astros, probably. But it’s not good company.

by marc w on Nov 4, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was something I was willing to defend at the time.

Now I just see it as a another lottery investment,

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Nov 4, 2010 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kinda points to...

…how your minor league system is VITAL to your success. If you can’t produce useful players internally, you’ll gut your budgets to buy them. And have no room for difference makers.

The flip side is that if you let your farm system get that way, it’s gonna take a while to restock—-and that much longer to affect the major league team.

by rtang on Nov 4, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

The other thing is...

that clubhouses are kind of volatile if you don’t have a core of players to keep things consistent from one season to the next. Free agents are better as supplemental signings not the fellows that you expect to turn everything around.

That’s largely my own speculation though. As everything else that’s in that area it’s not easy to prove and I’m mostly using the Braves as a model.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Nov 4, 2010 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

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