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10/7: Open Playoffs Game Thread


C.J. Wilson

#36 / Pitcher / Texas Rangers

6-1

210

L

L

Nov 18, 1980



James Shields

#33 / Pitcher / Tampa Bay Rays

6-4

220

R

R

Dec 20, 1981



Andy Pettitte

#46 / Pitcher / New York Yankees

6-5

225

L

L

Jun 15, 1972



Carl Pavano

#48 / Pitcher / Minnesota Twins

6-5

250

R

R

Jan 08, 1976



Derek Lowe

#32 / Pitcher / Atlanta Braves

6-6

230

R

R

Jun 01, 1973



Tim Lincecum

#55 / Pitcher / San Francisco Giants

5-11

170

L

R

Jun 15, 1984


Derek Lowe looks like he's looking at Tim Lincecum

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Lee doesn't have the most amazing "stuff".

He just controls it better than anyone except for Halladay.

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Eeeeh his stuff is pretty fucking good

certainly better than Wilson’s. Wilson isn’t that good a pitcher.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Oct 7, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I can't figure out what Wilson has that qualifies as great "stuff".

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not a Wilson expert, other than I remember him being pretty filthy as a closer.

So I went to fangraphs, and it appears that he has 5 pitches he uses with regularity and they are all above average. He is most certainly far behind Cliff Lee as an overall pitcher, and my understanding or interpretation of the fangraphs pitch values may be off, but it seems like he’s got some pretty good “stuff”

by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 7, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

What do you mean above average?

if you’re going by the pitch values ignore those. They are based on pitch results and Wilson’s had a flukey low babip year.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Oct 7, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Define "things".

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously though,

I think of “stuff” as velocity and movement. Lots of guys have amazing “stuff” but can’t control it. Tell me one of Lee’s pitches that you see and go “holy crap, did you see that?!?” like a Felix curve, or a Chapman fastball, or a Liriano slider.

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fastball, curve, changeup

I love Lee’s curve.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Oct 7, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

All of his pitches are good.

But none of them make me go “WOW!”. The location of the pitches is what blows me away.

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Alright

I don’t think you can really dissociate the two when it comes to breaking balls, but probably you’re right. Although, the changeup is awesome and I stand by that.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Oct 7, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is a great change.

I think that might be the hardest pitch in baseball to truly appreciate.

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's the thing

It’s just a throwaway phrase for lazy talking heads like Buck Martinez.

by lemonverbena on Oct 7, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hear ya.

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cocknballs

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Oct 7, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

There's only one Cocktober.

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

He's also throwing heat and freezing up hitters.

Clearly some kind of mutant.

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by JY on Oct 7, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great, now I'm hungry for an electrified burrito.

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh great now they're in our food now.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Oct 7, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

now now now, now now now now

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Oct 7, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have no idea how they choose broadcasters.

I think 50% of the people here right now could do a better job than 75% of the people they use for sports broadcasting.

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I want to hear Christopher Walken call a game.

It doesn’t even have to be baseball.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Oct 7, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe on the TV

but it takes a good amount of research to know the teams well enough to rattle on about their players over several three-hour ballgames on the radio and not be deadly repetitive.

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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Oct 7, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe on the TV

but it takes a good amount….. Maybe you’re right.

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

You should hear him to play-by-play for Toronto games.

He makes Tim McCarver look like an early adopter of sabermetric ideas. I can’t count the times he said “Jose Bautista really knows how to drive in runs,” completely ignoring that the guy batting behind him had 30 HR and only 87 RBIs and somehow that wasn’t incongruous to Buck.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Oct 7, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are definitely flashes of Wiggum

But he sounds more like Peter Gammons to me.

by Eyeball Kid on Oct 7, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, to take the Lee/Wilson stuff argument way too seriously

best way I can think of to measure ‘stuff’ is overall contact rate and out of zone swing rate. Wilson is below average in both categories and Lee is better than him at both.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Oct 7, 2010 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Nelson Cruz:

acquired for Julian Cordero (who?), Francisco Cordero, Kevin Mench and Laynce Nix. Carlos Lee was part of the deal but whatever.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Oct 7, 2010 12:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Carl Pavano looks liike how the guys on Jersey Shore think they look.

CJ Wilson looks like how the guys on Jersey Shore actually look.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Oct 7, 2010 12:02 PM PDT reply actions  

"He knows how to play small ball"

“In the postseason you have to face tough pitchers, and you have to be able to manufacture runs.”

Thanks, Buck.

by lemonverbena on Oct 7, 2010 12:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Needs more Coke.

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where is Dr. Rockso when you need him?

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

But Hamilton bailed on him.

Shitty wingman that guy.

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see the episode of Intervention where Josh's teammates confront him.

Ron Washington “Josh, your sobriety has affected me in the following ways: I am no longer able to get coke on a nightly basis without having to make dangerous trips to the ghetto. You used to be the main hookup and now it’s like you don’t care about anybody but yourself. Will you accept this back of crack cocaine?”

by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 7, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want the Mariners to be the leaders in something.

Most years without ever going to the World Series?

But for fewest playoff wins, the Rangers still have a ways to go.

by Paul AB on Oct 7, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

This game needs more crippling failure from the Rangers.

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 12:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Fuck Texas.

I sometimes find myself engaged in combat with hobos.

by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 12:46 PM PDT reply actions  

It might take a while, but I will.

I sometimes find myself engaged in combat with hobos.

by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, my sister lives there.

Keep your damn hands off her.

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoops - forgot to tell you she said hi.

Good with a lariat, that one.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for that recap of the game Ron.

I had actually left my desk, so that helped.

by msb on Oct 7, 2010 12:47 PM PDT reply actions  

25 dingers!

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Needs more ailing family members.

Favre-itis is a terrible, terrible disease. But damned if you don’t play better when someone you love dies.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

High Five!

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seems it wouldn't be as satisfying.

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or a short stop?

Or a third baseman? Or an outfield?

by FaceRuiner on Oct 7, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Imagine a tandem of John Madden and Ron Fairly.

Fairly: You know, the tricky thing about baseball is hitting the ball with the bat and making the ball go somewhere where no other players are standing.

Madden: I once saw Bret Favre in the showers at the YMCA in Addison.

Fairly: Yeah, the thing about footballs is they’re not really balls because balls are round.

Madden: I love Bret Favre’s balls.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

ANGER!

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 1:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Well I guess this series is over.

May as well accept our new AL west overlords for the next few seasons at least. God dammit.

Milton Bradley apologist

by sanford_and_son on Oct 7, 2010 1:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Rays are still in this

they just have to not lose to Cliff Lee again is all

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Oct 7, 2010 1:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Show me the CarFax.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Bahaha! Replay chant!

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 1:12 PM PDT reply actions  

The Rays are playing like the Mariners.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 1:15 PM PDT reply actions  

He said Choate.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 1:18 PM PDT reply actions  

I like your avat-R.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Would you enjoy dating it?

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Naw, just one sloppy night and no phone call.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hawt.

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

From an old Seattle Rainiers font, obviously.

by lemonverbena on Oct 7, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

How are the Rays so bad at offense?

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 1:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Joe Maddon Fielded a call from Jack Z.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why did you capitalize the F, dickweed?

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by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

These early games are fucking up my shit.

"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."

by the other side on Oct 7, 2010 1:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Is it green or something?

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by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Flagged

unwarranted hostility

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Oct 7, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Flagged

asseyes

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Oct 7, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Flagged.

Bro-hug.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go flag yourself.

Bro-hug.

I sometimes find myself engaged in combat with hobos.

by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can you come over and check?

"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."

by the other side on Oct 7, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm currently in Thingray's shrubs.

…just, y’know, making sure the foundation of the house looks good.

I sometimes find myself engaged in combat with hobos.

by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rumor has it the M's and Nick Jr. are in talks.

I sometimes find myself engaged in combat with hobos.

by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's okay. This game is giving everyone the runs.

I sometimes find myself engaged in combat with hobos.

by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Many days actually, Matthew.

The above post was a reference to another post.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm the poop joke man around here.

ess is just a rookie.

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, don't go on getting yourself in trouble with the base humor.

Matthew got four recs for shutting my dumb ass up.

I sometimes find myself engaged in combat with hobos.

by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh crap.

I totally wasted my time then. That’s shitty.

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a sad world when dolphins stoop to scalping.

I sometimes find myself engaged in combat with hobos.

by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

How are the Rays so bad.

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 1:46 PM PDT reply actions  

BJ Upton needs to go on a 2008 playoffs dinger rampage.

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 2:01 PM PDT reply actions  

McCarver needs to come to my bar so I can fill him up with Bacardi 151 then set him ablaze.

Think of the tips I would receive.

I sometimes find myself engaged in combat with hobos.

by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Thank you for that very sobering outlook on reality.

I sometimes find myself engaged in combat with hobos.

by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kirk, it never ceases to amaze me that you always have my back.

::Knuckle-bump::

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by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

HI ROBERT.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stop it Robert. Stop it Kirk. Stop it Kevin.

If LL devolves into 2008 when regulars were at each others throats all the time I’m gonna brain all three of you.

by Sec 108 on Oct 7, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Brains?!?!?

Now I’m hungry..

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Noted

On a unrelated note, I have never before heard the term “brain” used as a verb until you used it and no later than 3 minutes after you did my best friend from High School called and randomly used it as well.

by Robert on Oct 7, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, that was one hell of a pitch.

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by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 2:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Well huh, I didn't realize that.

That’s actually a cool thing the Mariners did (with a little help from Texas).

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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Oct 7, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

This Wheel-o I just found is much more interesting than this game

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 2:31 PM PDT reply actions  

"They've been held to just 8 hits in this series by Texas"

Something you didn’t expect to hear in years gone by.

by msb on Oct 7, 2010 2:32 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I FUCKING LOATHE THIS REALITY.

I sometimes find myself engaged in combat with hobos.

by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 2:33 PM PDT reply actions  

This is indeed a disturbing universe.

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by JY on Oct 7, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Mariners would do better than the Rays have done.

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AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."

by joof on Oct 7, 2010 2:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Animals with Antlers don't have claws.

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 2:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Partial translation

It’s a very intense match today. He’s thinking! He’s thinking! Will he move the queen or the horse?

GOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLL!

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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Oct 7, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

After the Will he move the queen or the horse, he says "He's going" a whole lot.

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah right:

Viene! Viene viene viene!

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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Oct 7, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like a rock, I was strong as I could be....

Wrong guy, huh?

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fuck Andy Pettitte.

I hope each home run hit by the Twins today hits one of his family members in the face.

by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 7, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Hard to be a home run and still hit the pitcher in the face.

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

If they hit it really hard at the right angle

or I could just admit that I didn’t read the above post correctly.

by aussie_chop on Oct 7, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I suppose the right ricochet off of the upper forehead could theoretically clear the fence.

But I don’t think he’d stay in the game after that.

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

It could go all the way around the world and hit him in the face.

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Old player skills?

He just looked like a guy that would fall off a cliff one day.

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

That ball faded slower than expected.

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I forgot

"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."

by the other side on Oct 7, 2010 3:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Oops.

That was interesting.

"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."

by the other side on Oct 7, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right now?

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn it Pavano. Stop being such a boner.

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 4:05 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm pretty sure if we're good, every day will be like opening day

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Opening Day is the best and worst day of the year.

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by JY on Oct 7, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Opening day means Felix!

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Opening day means catastrophic gameday threads.

Although since I’ll be in Seattle for next season, I may bypass that by going to the ballpark that day.

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by JY on Oct 7, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

GOING TO THE BALLPARK INSTEAD OF A GAME THREAD? WHY?

You better have your LL mobile handy. I promise you, it’ll load quickly and efficiently.

by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 7, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've already done that a few times on the go.

Depending on how good the reception is I can get the full site on my phone without issues.

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by JY on Oct 7, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Am I the only one who has fantasies of winning a Super Bowl or World Series?

I’ve never felt such unbridled joy before, so the world is my oyster. I imagine it will be similar to my “I Won the Lotto Parties!” that I have in my head.

by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 7, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Weird. Never really followed a team and wanted them to win or get a trophy, or whatever.

I thought teams just played as an excuse for me to eat hot dogs and get drunk in front of thousands of people.

I sometimes find myself engaged in combat with hobos.

by kevin_ess on Oct 7, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nope, I do too.

I wasn’t old enough to enjoy the Sonic’s championship, and I want to experience my own.

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do all the time.

 Fortunately this Tuesday bought me some patience.

by Robert on Oct 7, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

As much as I love adding Lynch,

I don’t think he’s our ticket to the championship this year.

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh I see.. you're a Chester Pitts guy.

Yeah, I agree, he’ll be the one to get us to the Super Bowl this year.

We are going to the Super Bowl, I don’t care if we are 7-9 to finish the year. That’s all it takes. If those idiot Cardinals were one play away from a ring 2 yearrs ago, we can certainly do it.

by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 7, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

He booked it around those bases on that homerun.

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AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."

by joof on Oct 7, 2010 4:49 PM PDT reply actions  

I was unaware Andy Petite changed his name to Sally.

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 4:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Twins!

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by JY on Oct 7, 2010 4:51 PM PDT reply actions  

This Twins season is the one the M's should have had when they opened Safeco

Instead we got a half-dome season and Griffey bitching his way out of town. Oh, and Mesa blowing the first game.

by lemonverbena on Oct 7, 2010 4:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, the mid-season opening of Safeco always bugged me.

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?"

by Thingray on Oct 7, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn it twins.

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AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."

by joof on Oct 7, 2010 5:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Goddamnit Twins.

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by JY on Oct 7, 2010 5:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Why what?

Why would anyone hope the Yankees lose? I’m guessing it was meant to ask about the meteor comment.

by Paul AB on Oct 7, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Given that I am a Mariners fan much like lemonverbena

and that the Texas Rangers are in the same division as the Mariners, it seems as if my first priority would be for a division rival to do poorly, thus allowing the Mariners to do better.

by seattlebruin on Oct 7, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do quite often.

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AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."

by joof on Oct 7, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's not the argument.

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I do.

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

I understand

I just think you guys are worried about the Rangers outspending the Mariners just because they will advance in the post season.

I don’t think Dallas will suddenly become the biggest baseball crazy city in the US.

by Paul AB on Oct 7, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Playoff success gives a longterm boost of income to the team.

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd say meh on that aspect

because Texas has always been fairly attractive since a lot of players live in/are from the south, and the team has traditionally had money to spend. I’d be more worried that they have $ to lure free agents than guys suddenly being attracted to a winning team.

by seattlebruin on Oct 7, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you want a concrete example of how this helps, had they been sold last year

and had money to spend in the draft, they would have Matt Purke in their system right now, and he’d be one of the best pitching prospects in baseball

by seattlebruin on Oct 7, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Although to be perverse, they had the most money to spend when they stunk and Bavasi pissed the money away.

by Paul AB on Oct 7, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Easy to assume

but not necessarily what will happen. It depends on the reaction from the people in Texas (attendance and media money) as well as the financial decisions of the new owners.

by Paul AB on Oct 7, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Media money = $1.5 billion

Financial decisons = spend shitloads of money

by lemonverbena on Oct 7, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Still it is more than likely to happen.

The Yankees are going to be good no matter what. The jury is still out on wither the Rangers will have sustained success but going to the World Series will do nothing but help them with that.

by Robert on Oct 7, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, you have nothing to worry about

Because the Yankees will take the Rangers like Walmart crushes the local corner store.

by Paul AB on Oct 7, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Yankees have won the AL pennant like 40 times and at least 6 times in your lifetime.

The Rangers are one of two teams beside the Mariners to never have been to the World Series. I would much rather a team that has always won and will always win than being one of the two most futile teams in baseball history.

by Robert on Oct 7, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Rangers are in the M's division, the Yankees are not.

The Yankess will be rich no matter what, but the longer the Rangers stay in the playoffs the more money the team makes.

Milton Bradley apologist

by sanford_and_son on Oct 7, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Marlins don't reinvest their money into the team. The Rangers will.

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

And if you want the proof, the Rangers already invest in the team now, they just don't have any money to do it with

and now with a new ownership group, they will likely continue to invest all available capital into the team

by seattlebruin on Oct 7, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I woul'd have been happier with that outcome if I had more confidence in the Twins' offense.

They needed Morneau, badly.

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by JY on Oct 7, 2010 5:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Being a Twins fan

would be like being a M’s fan, except even more frustrating because they are in the playoffs more often.

by Paul AB on Oct 7, 2010 5:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I think that's the opposite.

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

From Twitter:
JaymeeSireCSN – Tomorrow’s #Braves SP Tommy Hanson fouled a ball off the plate during BP that bounced up and hit him in eye. Immediately walked off field.

by Joe Metro on Oct 7, 2010 5:48 PM PDT reply actions  

NL baseball just lowered the braves chances of winning.

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by joof on Oct 7, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

Fangraphs shows the Twins with a 5 percent chance

going into the bottom of the 9th, down by 3? Surprises me it is that high.

Or maybe that is just because I watch the M’s.

by Paul AB on Oct 7, 2010 6:03 PM PDT reply actions  

We're a critical hit away from Victory!

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AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."

by joof on Oct 7, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Robin Williams?

Uhhh ok.

You're dead to me.

by Goose on Oct 7, 2010 6:35 PM PDT reply actions  

And then a wistful

“well I’m just glad the Giants don’t wear see through pants”


…“Or am I?”

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Oct 7, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lincecum is pitching rather fancily these days

changing speeds on his fastball, missing by tiny tiny margins, cutters n shit. It’s cool that, even though he isn’t throwing 96 anymore he still makes guys look real stupid

by tsunamijesus on Oct 7, 2010 8:07 PM PDT reply actions  

With Heyward up, was the SF crowd just chanting "Posey's better?"

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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Oct 7, 2010 8:07 PM PDT reply actions  

World Series appearances are a consideration in HoF voting

Eric Hinske has been in 3 World Series.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Oct 7, 2010 8:43 PM PDT reply actions  

{dead meme about Tim Lincecum's draft availability}

Good grief, he is just dominant. What a wealth of top pitching talent we’re living in with Felix, Lincecum, Criff Ree, Halladay, Sabathia…

by James F'n X on Oct 7, 2010 8:46 PM PDT reply actions  

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