Rangers/Rays ALDS Pick 'Em
Not looking for who you think is going to win. I'm looking for rooting interest.
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Hard to root against Cliff Lee
But fuck everything about Texas. I’m still pissed about them giving A-Rod a quarter of a billion dollars.
this seems like a healthy, logical stance to take in 2010
by pdb on Oct 4, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm all about "fuck everything about Texas"
but at this point I could not care less about A-Rod, the deal, or anything like that. Hate Texas because they’re Texas, not because of something that happened eight years ago that was going to happen anyway.
by pdb on Oct 4, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm hugely invested in Cliff Lee, but don't want the Rangers to get any more
post-season revenue than is necessary. Go Rays!
I can't think of any possible reason to root for a Rangers' win other than the game Cliff Lee starts.
Any real success the Rangers might have at all in the post season, works against us financially. To root for them to advance will allow them to gain revenue that they will use against us in the coming years. I don’t love the Rays, my AL team is the Twins, but I’d rather have the Rays get the money than the Rangers. We don’t play the Rays as often as we play the Rangers.
by TrustBaseball on Oct 4, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I still love Cliff, but I will never root for a division rival. Rays.
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
Frankly I'm a bit sick of the Rays
but I still want them to win this series. Hopefully the Rangers win Cliff Lee’s start but otherwise fuck ’em.
by Eyeball Kid on Oct 4, 2010 12:55 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Rangers only because I'd love to see both AL East teams eliminated in the DS
The Rays are still the most likable team in the east, but seriously… I’m so sick of listening to how supposedly superior the AL East is.
What's the deal with corn nuts?
by BaronVonBullshit on Oct 4, 2010 1:02 PM PDT reply actions
How about this:
I would like people to stop robotically discounting anything good in the AL West because conventional wisdom calls it a weak division.
For that, and Cliff Lee, I am bandwagoning Tejas for this one.
Sure is.
And I’d like to see that changed—that way accomplishments are not discounted, and players aren’t assumed to be worse than their performance because they play for a team in a weaker division.
I think part of that is a strong post season performance by an AL West team. Obviously, the real answer is for the AL West to be a better division. But right now, we can pick between two teams, one of which can demonstrate that it is possible for an AL West team to succeed.
If one AL West team succeeds that does not automatically make the AL West a strong division though
by pdb on Oct 4, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Or, to elaborate a bit
The Rangers winning does not improve the strength of the AL West as a whole. It proves that the Rangers are a strong team, and that’s about it.
by pdb on Oct 4, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Perception, perhaps is the only manner in which anything will change.
Still, all things being equal, why not want a division team to have a strong showing? The Rays winning does nothing on this front.
And yes, Rangers success does not affect the performance of other teams, in or out of their division. At this point, nothing can, because teams have stopped playing. Except a few. Of those few, I want the one from the AL West to win.
Because I couldn't give less of a damn if Texas is a good team or not
if the Mariners are not the AL West’s playoff representative, I’m not going to root for Texas just because they are. The AL West is not a family, it’s four rival teams, and I’m not about to start rooting for a rival that has something I desperately want just because they have it.
by pdb on Oct 4, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
And, of course, for the Mariners to win.
But as long as east coast sports editors get to scoff at the AL West, the Mariners, when they do win, will have their achievements not taken seriously.
And that will be less fun for me.
Well, it's baseball, so ultimately it doesn't matter.
I’m not actually following this series. In fact, outside of Cliff Lee starts, I doubt I will watch any of it.
A quick disclaimer: I am not retarded. No, nothing here will actually change the performance of the AL West, or the Seattle Mariners, in real terms—obviously, because the AL West teams aren’t playing, and no amount of games in which a team doesn’t play can improve their performance.
I guess your question, though, sort of strikes at the heart of what it is to be a sports fan. It’s not like I don’t have plenty of good books to read, family to catch up with, or work to do. It’s an agonizing form of entertainment, when you think about it. So I don’t know why I care. But to the extent that I do, I’d prefer one outcome over the other. I have no influence over this, of course, and it has no real effect on me or my various loved ones. Either outcome has no effect on my health, security, or pocketbook, so I don’t really care.
The part of me that cares, though, wants Mariners successes to be recognized outside of Mariners fans, and not simply skipped over while waiting for the next AL East team to do something interesting. I guess I feel baseball would be a whole lot less fun without other teams and other fans also clamoring for accomplishments. And when their teams have a day in the sun, most will applaud, and some will try to shit all over it for any reason handy because it wasn’t their team standing up there.
It has happened to the Mariners before, and it will happen again. I remember folks lessening how amazing the 2001 season felt because the Mariners played in the AL West. So, you know, it’s not like its a real accomplishment. Like if the Yankees did it.
Like somebody planning revenge years ahead of time, in the meantime living through absolute shit, I want it to be perfect when it happens. Especially after the 162 games we were just put through. So, I look at two teams playing each other, and I care about neither of them. But, one of them, might, maybe, provide this entirely bullshit intangible fringe benefit that may help partially validate my future hypothetical fandom (if the Mariners can keep me. I only have one more season of arbitration).
Plus, hey, Cliff Lee.
But no outcome of Rays vs. Tejas can accomplish that.
It will literally have no effect on that at all, no matter what happens. It is not possible in any way for it to have an effect on that. So, while we have no skin in the game, lets try and nail the consolation prize’s ugly cousin.
The Rangers deserve some respect, but people are correct when they say the West is weak in comparison.
Texas is the only team in the West that finished above .500, while the East had four. And those four teams didn’t get to play the M’s 19 times.
This is yet another reason 2010 pissed me off so much
THIS DIVISION WAS SO DAMN WINNABLE THIS YEAR
by pdb on Oct 4, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I/we were right on 75% of the AL West teams!
Pretty much nailed them actually.
This is my dilemma
I want to watch a lot of playoff baseball but I just don’t really give a damn about this series.
by pdb on Oct 4, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
So, is it the cool thing to hate the Rays now?
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
Based on your vote I see you were not your own person
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 4, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I never root for divisional rivals.
I am just a little confused, it seems like people suddenly are sick of the Rays.
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
by JAH on Oct 4, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Jeff and I are sick of them
probably some others as well. Still others think differently.
Such are the state of things
Fair enough.
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
by JAH on Oct 4, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you interact with their fans a lot?
I’ve found Tampa fans are like bears, you have to really go looking for one to find one in the wild.
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
by JAH on Oct 4, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am talking about the fans that won't go to games despite being the best team in the American League over the last three years.
It's worth noting that the unemployment rate in the area is amongst the highest in the country and their TV ratings are through the roof.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 4, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
The Rays were my 2nd favorite team back when they were an expansion and sucked and then they went to the World Series. Now my 2nd favorite team will have to be the Royals.
I root for Cliff Lee.
When rooting for non-Mariners teams in the playoffs, I usually root for the team with more historical suckage.
I think it is because I understand what their fans have been through.
by Jed MC on Oct 4, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love the Rays, but Cliff Lee carved out a bigger niche in my heart.
Reluctantly, I voted for the Rangers.
I hope the Ranger's get swept out of the playoffs so they can lose 12 playoff games in a row.
I also hope not Felix gets shelled for 17 runs in the post season.
Morgan Ensberg for Manager 2011!
AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."
Criff Ree! The Rangers are overdue for a playoff appearance- hard not to root for them
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
Rays, but will root for the Rangers and Cliff Lee the rest of the way if they win
I do not quite understand the backlash against the Rays, as they have not been good for very long and suffered like the pre-1991 Mariners for a long time before that. Plus, Jonah Keri seems like a nice enough fellow, and a Rays World Series might help book sales.

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