Bengie Molina And The Interesting X-Factor
'X-factor' is a strange term. An x-factor is something you think may end up making a difference in a game or a series. Meaning it's a factor.
Anyway, as alleged 'x-factors' are concerned, this year's World Series presents an interesting one. Ordinarily x-factors end up being bench players or intangibles or managerial strategy or whatever. This year, one of the big things on so many tongues is Bengie Molina. Molina, you see, spent about three and a half seasons catching the Giants before getting traded to the Rangers in July. And this experience catching the Giants' pitchers may give him and his team an advantage in the biggest series of the year.
Only, will it? On the surface, it seems to make so much sense. Molina is familiar with their pitchers. He knows how they work and how they look and what they throw. He can take advantage of that knowledge himself, and he can impart that knowledge into others. Presto, the Rangers have an edge.
But when you really break it down - when you think about it, and think about it closely, I don't think it'll matter. Not much, anyway.
First, consider Molina himself. Will Molina have an edge going up against his old pitchers? For one thing, remember that he'll be seeing them from a different angle as he was behind the plate. Pitches and windups look different behind the plate from how they look beside it. And secondly, even if he has some special knowledge of how they work, he still won't know what's coming. He'll still have to identify each pitch out of the hand like anybody else. The unpredictability reduces the advantage, if not negates it completely. Molina won't know what's coming, and he also won't know how the pitcher feels on a given day, which, of course, can have a profound effect on one's normal strategy.
And then consider the rest of the team. Let's say Molina tries to teach his teammates some stuff about San Francisco's pitching staff. What are they going to learn? Knowledge is no substitute for live experience. You can't tell someone what Tim Lincecum's curveball looks like. And more importantly, what is Molina going to say about tendencies or movement that can't be picked up from the numbers or the video? The Rangers already know how Jonathan Sanchez likes to pitch. The Rangers already know about Brian Wilson's slider. There just doesn't seem to be much in the way of additional value to Molina's advice. It's not like he's going to be able to point out any tells. Had Molina noticed any tells, he would've mentioned them with the Giants earlier in the year.
I can see how Molina's history might give him some tiny, individual advantage against his old pitchers. He has a pretty good understanding of how their pitches move, and that could help him out. But it also could not, and ultimately, I think this is just an interesting topic of conversation that doesn't lead anywhere. Bengie Molina used to catch the Giants. That's weird. Maybe it'll help. It probably won't. Moving right along.
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Weak sauce dude
I want a 10-year regression of before and after batting lines of catchers vs. pitchers they once caught for. Go.
by dlukas on Oct 26, 2010 2:40 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd say the x factor is the cowardice behind the decision to not try and get Lee 3 starts.
And whoever is behind that cowardice, wether it be Washington, Lee, his agent or some combinaton of the three.
Please explain why not burning through Cliff Lee's arm in three playoff starts on short rest is cowardice
I'm torn on stuff like this.
If you’re THIS close to winning the race, don’t you run the wheels off of the thing? But on the other hand, we’re talking about actual human beings here. I think you leave him on normal rest, and address the idea of additional appearances when it becomes necessary.
"There! I just sold you for a cigarette! And I don't smoke!"
That's kind of my thought.
You don’t need to start him on short rest, but you could use him in an emergency if necessary. They have no idea how he would do on short rest anyway.
"There! I just sold you for a cigarette! And I don't smoke!"
As a free agent at the end of the year, I think it should be (mostly) his decision to make
I think if he had another year on the contract, it should be the team’s decision.
I'm sure if he feels he can do it, the team will be the first to know.
This happens with every team’s ace every year (in the playoffs).
"There! I just sold you for a cigarette! And I don't smoke!"
I too remember just three or four years ago, it was the norm for an ace to pitch games 1, 4, and 7 of a playoff series.
Seems like an ace can make 2 starts on short rest in the world series…doesn’t seem like it effected other world series aces too much.
by BrettJMiller on Oct 26, 2010 4:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The ace often goes on short rest.
But some of that depends on the pitcher, some depends on how much faith the team has in the other starters.
"There! I just sold you for a cigarette! And I don't smoke!"
Last time it happened in the WS was Curt Schilling in 2001
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 26, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
But 2002 was the last time we saw a WS go 7 games
Looking at the scheduled starters is probably more telling.
by Michael Kearney on Oct 26, 2010 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe 2001 was the last time we saw a starter go on short rest at all in the World Series
nevermind twice.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 26, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
CC started game 4 on three days rest last year.
by Michael Kearney on Oct 26, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
He sure did!
He sure did.
Anyway, it’s rare.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 26, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
This seems relevant:
(link)
Because we’ll all be talking about this all month: Since start of divisional playoffs (95), starters on 3 days rest: 21-31, 4.65 ERA.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 26, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes that did happen too.
Beckett, game six, Yankee Stadium, three days rest.
Lee has had injury problems, the Rangers have a deep rotation
and pitchers tend to pitch worse on short rest
Rangers fan holding up cutout of Bengie Molina and Ron Washington = weird.
Red coming to Safeco with a giant cutout of Adrian Beltre’s gameday pic = the greatest thing ever.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
I would never have guessed. Not in a million years.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Oct 26, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions

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