Congratulations, Texas Rangers
I remember back in 2008, when the Rays were first making a name for themselves. The Mariners dropped out of the race with astonishing speed, and I needed a reason to keep giving a shit. I needed a bandwagon. So I picked one. I picked a plucky, cheap, young team from Tampa Bay, and I dove in head-first. I had a t-shirt and everything.
I supported them throughout the regular season, but things didn't really amp up until the playoffs. During the year, as much as I was rooting for the Rays, I was still consumed by the Mariners. I was still watching them and writing about them nearly every day, and that didn't afford me a lot of time to pay close attention to somebody else.
The playoffs did. The playoffs were when the emotions really came out. I don't even know if I bandwagoned properly, because I felt too invested. I cared too much for a casual short-timer. I clasped my hands together nervously as the Rays disposed of the White Sox, and then the ALCS against the Red Sox pushed things to another level entirely. I had trouble breathing during Game 7 as I watched on from my living room, in my t-shirt. And when David Price induced that final groundout, I roared, and I fell backwards where I was sitting. I felt nothing but things I wanted to be feeling. I felt like I'd been a die-hard fan through thick and thin, even though I knew that I wasn't. No matter. The feelings were real.
Then, nothing. After the ALCS, the Rays advanced to the World Series to take on the Phillies. And I couldn't believe how little I cared. The Series went five games, spanning six days (which is still so weird). I think I watched maybe two of them. Seemingly overnight, I'd become indifferent to the team I'd been bandwagoning so hard. Maybe the ALCS had just taken everything out of me. Or maybe I subconsciously realized that I wasn't allowed to be that invested in a World Series without the Mariners. That would be kind of like cheating.
Game 7 of the ALCS - that was the turning point, for me. I was all about the Rays up to it and through it. Soon thereafter, I stopped caring. And soon after that, the Rays started to annoy me. We get it. You're young, and quirky, and you figured out a way to beat the system. Objectively it doesn't make much sense, but I grew sick of the Rays pretty fast.
Watching the game tonight, and reflecting on my prior experience, I'm thinking the same thing's going to happen with the Rangers. Now, granted, the situation's a little different. I haven't bandwagoned the Rangers the way I bandwagoned the Rays, because the Rangers are a direct division rival, and they've pissed me off on countless occasions in the past. I could never love the Rangers, or even lie to myself and think I did for a week or three of the year.
But I've supported them in the playoffs. I've supported them against the beasts of the East because I'm tired of the East, and I like when these things play out differently. Objectively, the Rangers are a rival. Objectively, the Rangers are fun. They've played fun, entertaining baseball. Their play has been good. Their crowds have been good. For three weeks, they've been a kick.
I was pulling hard for them against the Yankees. Even though I knew that a Yankees win ultimately wouldn't make a difference, while a Rangers win totally could, I still wanted to see Texas prevail. All that Yankee hatred I thought I'd thrown away years ago came out, as did my desire to see fresh faces under the brightest lights. In life, I hate change. In sports, I love it. Change implies unpredictability, and we need our sports to be unpredictable. If it weren't for the unpredictability, why the hell would I give a shit about next year's Mariners?
I had more fun watching the Rangers win tonight than I've had watching a baseball game in some time. The bottom of the fifth gave me chills. The Vladimir Guerrero double, and the Nelson Cruz home run, back-to-back - those were perfect. In the situation, they were perfect, and they lifted me up from my seat as the Arlington crowd went into a frenzy. When Cruz took David Robertson deep, you kind of felt like that was it. That the Rangers had taken complete command, and that it was only a matter of time.
It was. The Yankees did nothing, and Alex Rodriguez watched a slider, and the Rangers won the game, and I hooted. It was a good hoot, too. Not one of them flat, scratchy hoots when you try to go too high. It was pleasing, and thick.
Today went exactly how I wanted it to go. I'm glad the Rangers won, and I'm glad they got to do it on their own field. As sweet as it always is to watch teams beat New York in New York, it's no substitute for fifty thousand people just losing their minds. Home celebrations are the best part of sports, unless they happen in Anaheim.
Now what?
I can't predict how the future's going to play out. I am terribly bad at predicting my own rootability. Even though I had an inkling, I didn't know I'd be rooting for the Rangers over the Rays until the series got started. So it's possible that, hey, maybe I'll keep pulling for Texas all the way through this thing.
But the more I think about it, the more I think this goes like it did back in 2008. A few years down the road, I think I'm going to reflect on tonight as a turning point, the same way I look at Game 7 between the Rays and the Red Sox. The Rangers have been fun. They've been a lot of fun. They eliminated the Yankees! But now it's the World Series. Now we're talking about a championship, and we're talking about a tight division rival. That's not something I want. Why would that ever be something I want?
We know the Rangers are probably going to be good for a long time. They're really talented, and really young, and they have a good farm system, and suddenly they have money on top of everything else, too. The Rangers are likely to be a thorn in our sides for several years. They project to be annoying for as far into the future as any projections ever ought to go. This is a team that's going to try to beat us. This is a team that probably is going to beat us, a lot, at least in the short-term.
Soon, I will grow to hate the Rangers all over again. Or maybe not hate - I think I'm too old for hate - but certainly dislike. There's every reason to. Nobody likes their rivals. That's the whole point of rivals.
And I figure tonight represents the peak of my Ranger fondness. I doubt it's going to get any higher than this. It's going to slip. Maybe gradually at first - who knows - but it's inevitable. My feelings regarding the Rangers, I have to imagine, are all down from here. I'll be bitter soon. It hasn't hit me yet, but I know that it will. Thanks a lot for leaving us alone with the Nationals, Texas. The Nationals smell.
For now, while I'm still feeling friendly, I'd like to issue my sincerest congratulations to the Rangers and all of their fans. The players played like hell, and I was impressed by the atmosphere in Arlington, as those fans wouldn't let up. I've watched a lot of Mariners/Rangers games during the summer that took place in front of 25,000 teenagers and one Jim Knox, and those were always torture. These have been exciting. The stadium has come alive; more alive than I've ever seen it.
I've had a lot of fun watching the Rangers these last three weeks. They've reminded me of what good baseball is like. They've reminded me of what playoff baseball is like, and they have in part reminded me why this game that we watch is so God damn awesome. The Rangers, this October, have helped to make me a happier person during a very stressful period of time, and for that I can't thank them enough.
In closing: thank you, Rangers, for what you have done. You've brought a smile to my face during a month in which I'm not used to smiling. That was really nice of you to do.
Go Giants.
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Thanks, Jeff.
I understood every word you said and had a similar experience with the Rays.
I had the added connection to having been born in the Tampa area and I’ve worked in Orlando for much of the last few years, but I still had trouble caring when the World Series came along.
I haven’t gotten annoyed by them yet, but the luster has worn off.
Jeff
As always great stuff. I couldn’t care less about the Mariners but I still visit this site every day because of your immense talent in relating your feelings into words while providing great subtle (most of the time) humor.
Absolutely agree with texasraider
You are one of the best. Thanks for rooting with us Texas fans this post season and for the great write-up.
Fuck the Rangers.
Why the fuck do they get to win a pennant on their first fucking try and we haven’t even come close after 3 tries? Are you kidding me? Fuck them.
And fuck you too Yankees. One of the very very few times that I want you to win and you totally shit the bed. Fuck off.
Godamnit,
You're dead to me.
by Goose on Oct 22, 2010 10:34 PM PDT reply actions 17 recs
Who says LL is a haven for groupthink?
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 22, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Everyone got together, and we all agreed we don't think together.
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
by JAH on Oct 22, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
Peed on your fucking rug.
"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."
by the other side on Oct 22, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
It's a lot like the Cards going to the SB 2 years ago.
If they had won it, it would be exactly like this. You said it perfectly though.
by Hopefulmsfan on Oct 22, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree. I'm still young enough to hate the Yankees and Rangers, and this whole ALCS made me horribly confused.
Part of me wished we didn’t trade Cliff Lee to the Rangers just so I wouldn’t have anyone on the Ranger team I want to root for.
Eat shit bum!
Interesting, I'm still old enough to hate the Yankees and Rangers.
A big part of me wished we didn’t have to trade Cliff Fucking Lee to the Rangers, because he’s the only Ranger I wanted to root for. I hope he cleans up in the WS, but that Texas still loses. Go Giants.
by TrustBaseball on Oct 23, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
First try?
We’ve been trying for 50 years, and went to the playoffs and lost painfully in the 90s.
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
I'm pretty sure he means the ALCS,
We went three times and you went once and won it.
by Hopefulmsfan on Oct 23, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
The (Devil)Rays let us down this year
I hate the Yankees so much that I was really annoyed to have to root for the (St)rangers in the ALCS. I don’t want to have to root for Texas in the WS, but if the Phillies don’t come through I will either have to, or just ignore the WS altogether
by New England Fan on Oct 23, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
We were kind of close in '95
Up late in game 5 with Randy slated to start game 6. We were sizable favorites to win the series at that point
It would have been one of the greatest upsets ever
I have no idea how we were in that position, we really had no starting pitching and Cleveland was one of the greatest teams of all time.
I liked the Rangers in this series too.
When the game was over, I imagined the Rangers winning the World Series and felt sick.
Go Giants.
Yeah, pretty much.
I’m happy to see the Rangers win, but I don’t really want them to win it all. And I want the Phillies to lose just because fuck them. And the Giants are whatever. I don’t really care about the team, but the park is nice and my parents are from there so let’s do that.
If the Phillies win the NLCS, though, I’m rooting for the Rangers. Sorry, future Teej.
If the Phillies make it I'm gonna have to convince myself to just root for Roy Halladay
Like you, I’m sick of them.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 22, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
The only reason I would root for the Phillies would be Mike Sweeney.
Halladay will probably get another chance.
Milton Bradley is my hero.
by SeaKoala on Oct 23, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thank you, Jeff
Now Justin Smoak can hit .400 against us for the rest of his career for all I care.
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
Make it so, number one.
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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Oct 22, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thanks Jeff.
I had the very same experience with the Rays in 2008, and with the Phillies last year (yeah, I know. But I like Utley and Hamels.)
Seems like for a long time, it seemed like that was the only kind of satisfaction I’d ever get out of the playoffs, which is kind of what makes tonight so amazing for me as Ranger fan. I honestly really do hope you guys get to experience this feeling at some point. I think everyone deserves to at some point, really.
Except Angel fans.
Thanks again.
"I think Elvis Andrus deliberately hits grounders to the right of shortstops to show that those shortstops aren’t Elvis Andrus" - Jeff
2008 was funny
I was rooting for Rays as well, right up until Jamie Moyer started game 3 and I realized I could not possibly root against him. My loyalty switched instantaneously. I happily watched the Phillies take the Rays down for the ring.
Watching Texas win was great for three reasons. Number one is that Cliff Lee deserves to see another World Series. Number two is that it was great to see Nolan Ryan be really, really happy. Lastly, I hate the Yankees like testicular cancer. I’ve never for a moment grown tired of loathing them. Nor shall I. I enjoy the fact that some things in sports are constants. And even if the Yankees descend into Raideresque levels of sports irrelevance—I will still nurture my hatred for them like a prize tomato.
So thanks, Texas. Now go Giants.
by short on Oct 22, 2010 10:41 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Fuck you, Jeff.
Rooting for the Rangers. You disgust me.
by Kirk on Oct 22, 2010 10:42 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 8 recs
I'm in sort of agreement with your post. Yeah, go Rangers. Ho hum.
I wouldn’t mind if Cliff Fucking Lee wins the games he starts. (He was once a Mariner.) I was excited tonight as the Rangers took out the Yankees, but I really didn’t want them to have the advantage of world series money that could have been someone elses. They are a direct rival, but so what, it happened.
I hope that someday soon the Mariners are having the celebration tat the Ranger’s are having tonight. I’ve been waiting what seems like a very long time. This doesn’t seem to be rocket science, so why can’t we win this thing? Go GMZ and Go Mariners.
The other side says "we suck", "we'll aways suck". I can't stand this.
Why can’t we be fucking winners? I don’t think there is a reason in the world. And yet, we aren’t.
by TrustBaseball on Oct 22, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm kinda fine with them winning.
Gives an added bonus to the rivalry aspect when a team with a worse history than yours makes the World Series. Without it, the AL West is pretty much a fistfight in the back of the short bus.
(Are the Angels really the only team during the 4-team AL West setup to bring home a title?)
And since Jeff posted it on his Twitter, I was listening to the Rangers feed during the game and the final out call
was pretty terrible in my opinion. Just completely underwhelming for the most important moment in franchise history.
You're dead to me.
I didn't love it
but (A) I’m not used to him, so it means less, and (B) I’m not used to a younger man on the radio anyway.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 23, 2010 2:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure doesn't sound like it!
Not when compared to Niehaus.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 23, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Go NL!
The Rangers have served their purpose, now I hope they never win another game. And the Phillies kind of annoy me too, so I’m all for the Giants. Plus Jose Guillen is my all time favorite Mariner.
Librarians are hiding something
Yeah, F the Rangers, they were the better team, the Yankees didn't deserve to win this.
But this stuff sucks and I’m sick of it. There is not a reason in world that the Mariners can’t field a better team than the Ranger’s did. Go Giants or Go Phillies, I couldn’t care less, just somebody beat the Rangers.
"There is not a reason in world that the Mariners can’t field a better team than the Ranger’s did."
Yes, there is. You don’t have Jon Daniels. We do.
Good article Jeff
I rooted for the Rays too, but it was just an interest not craziness like you. I rooted for the Rangers too, but now that i think about that, it disgusts me because now the M’s are one of those what, three teams that haven’t made the World Series? (Expos/National and Astros?)
But, I have to disagree about buying another teams apparel. I’m in that group where I just can’t do it. I think the last time i wore another teams apparel, I had a UW sweatshirt because Penn St. was crappy ( I grew up in PA…a story for another time why I like the ‘Hawks and M’s) and the Huskies were pretty good. But I stopped that in a hurry when I had an epiphany one day about rooting for two teams. If you’re a fan and I mean die hard fan of a team, they piss you off and you are in a bad mood when they suck (The M’s this year) or you are orgasmic when they win (like the NFC Championship in ‘05), you should never, ever wear another team’s stuff. My girl friend bugs me about wearing my Seahawk jersey or buying her a lime green jersey. NO!!!! You can’t jump on the band wagon just because you love me. She is a Steeler fan!!!. HELL NO!!! (She’s from PA too) I appreciate that she wants to share that with me, but, I can’t do it.
Just my two cents. I love this site and you are awesome Jeff and I have learned alot from this site about sabremetrics and baseball in general, but wearing another team’s gear…..that should be a no-no.
by seanchristopher on Oct 22, 2010 11:20 PM PDT reply actions
Astros went in '05.
"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."
by the other side on Oct 22, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks!
That’s right, swept 4-0 by the White Sox. So just the M’s and Expos/Natioanls!!! FUCK!!!!!
Keep Michael Saunders in left!!! Russel Okung is my new man crush!!
by seanchristopher on Oct 22, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Watching the game tonight was like masturbation.
I knew I probably shouldn’t, but I really needed to not root for the Yankees. Then I got into it and didn’t give a damn. They scored and I was feeling good. Then strike three World Series and boom. I’m left in a sticky goddamn mess of ginger ale and feeling dirty. Godfuckingdamnit. Us and the fucking Nationals. You bastards were our fellow hopeless organization. Fuck. Go Giants.
"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."
by the other side on Oct 22, 2010 11:20 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I hope it's Rangers/Phillies, because they're the two best teams
and I’d like either Cliff Lee or Roy Halladay to get a ring.
And I still associate the Giants with Bonds, and even leaving steroids out of the picture I always hated Bonds.
When the Mariners get good they’ll be good enough to beat Texas with Felix &co
ignacio
I secretly wanted A-Rod to homer in his last at-bat.
I wanted the Rangers to win this series, but the moment it happened it became bittersweet.
I know we all talk about Texas getting money being a bad thing, and I agree that it is, but simply having more money is not insurmountable. Any good team— even any well-run team— still requires an amount of luck to be a success. Texas’ young players may still have developing to do, but who’s to say they won’t plateau like so many others? They have to make free agent acquisitions that work out. They have to stay healthy. An injury here and a bad contract there could really hurt them just like anybody else not named the Yankees, who can outspend their Carl Pavano problem by signing CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett, and others.
Texas COULD dominate the division for years.
But Justin Smoak and Michael Saunders were second and third among AL rookies in HR’s this year. Adam Moore has gained major-league experience, and Dustin Ackley and Michael Pineda are on the way. If these guys develop like they could and the Mariners make the right moves, the Mariners could be a dominating force in the AL West for years.
I’d still prefer the Rangers NOT win the whole thing, though. Go Giants.
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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Oct 22, 2010 11:39 PM PDT reply actions
yeah, but
the Mariners aren’t the only franchise with young players one the way… in fact, Texas has players on the way as well and they’re all rated just as high or higher than the Mariners players. For every Ackley and Pineda in the Mariners’ system, there’s a Martin Perez or Engel Beltre in the Rangers’. I just wouldn’t get too excited about a farm system that is head and shoulders below the team currently headed to the World Series and expect that specifically to catch the Mariners back up to the Rangers.
We live on hope
Surely you haven’t forgotten what that was like already.
by Omerta on Oct 23, 2010 2:05 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
These guys just did this in story book fashion by beating some major heavy weights.
Which is exactly how I’ve always envisioned the Mariners doing it. Fantasized is more like it, it’s just the right way to get there. If the Mariners get there by knocking off some fluke bullshit pansy ass teams, I’m really going to despise the Rangers. They finished off the Yankees at home, even. Dammit. Perfect.
I hear ya man...
"There! I just sold you for a cigarette! And I don't smoke!"
by Thingray on Oct 23, 2010 12:28 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I truly don't think the Mariners will make a World Series in my lifetime
So any talk about “how they’ll do it” will always be fantasy.
I personally want to see the Rangers win the world series
and have Cliff Lee be the MVP so that it boost his value even more in the off-season and he signs the most ridiculous contract ever with some team (hopefully Texas) which no mortal could hope to live up to even in their prime; thus, hindering the team he signs with for the duration of the inevitably long contract (and more so at the end), because Fuck You team that signed Cliff Lee! Fuck You very much. (particularly if it’s Texas)
This is why.
They eliminated the Yankees! But now it’s the World Series. Now we’re talking about a championship, and we’re talking about a tight division rival. That’s not something I want. Why would that ever be something I want?
The same reason that some of us secretly or even openly in front of our friends & families rooted for the freaking Cardinals to beat the Steelers in XLIII.
We knew if they won it would almost be worse because shit if the fucking Cardinals could beat them why the Fuck couldn’t we? None the less I felt myself & others rooting, damn near praying the Cardinals would just fucking beat the EVIL as all hell “Stealers”
I still feel wrong about that, but it was what it was.
Fuck Pittsburgh.
Fuck The Yankees.
I love Josh Hamilton but,
( & every other underdog story ever it’s a product of growing up in this city. Rooting for the underdog was the only way we have ever been able to root for our teams so it makes sense that we physiologically feel that way for other underdog stories.)
Go Giants.
I wish you were in Mariner Blue but, we still love you Freak.
"It's a light bat"
On the other hand,
Champions usually lose a ton of free agents because of playoff success, so even if Texas wins maybe we have hope?
"There! I just sold you for a cigarette! And I don't smoke!"
by Thingray on Oct 23, 2010 12:32 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I can't wait for Sunday the Hawks need to kill the Cards. I feel guilty now. I confessed to rooting for the Cardinals. I thought confession made you feel better?
I am so glad Warner retired & they suck again.
"It's a light bat"
You could also out right lie & tell me Hamilton & Lee are going to be traded to the M's for Milton Bradley & "Pick a Wilson"
Directly after Nolan Ryan bankrupts himself on Ginger Ale & self destructs following the epic game 7 Win by the Freak.
"It's a light bat"
I agree wholeheartedly.
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
The first rule of Lookout Landing is...
I'm pretty sure that with the final out of that game the Rangers moved into the tier of hate previously reserved only for the Angels.
I hate this team and everything about them. The fact that Cliff Lee plays for them makes me hate them even more. Plenty of that is jealousy, but what the fuck ever this isn’t romance or my professional life. so fuck them for having what we can’t. I hope they get swept in humiliating fashion by whoever they end up playing and I hope Cliff Lee takes a steaming shit on the mound, flips Nolan Ryan off and walks out of the stadium after the series is over.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 23, 2010 1:48 AM PDT reply actions 17 recs
I never wanted the Rangers to get past the ALDS
I’d like to think I’m a fair guy, but just seeing “Texas wins series 4-2” pissed me off. Fuck them. No way I’m going to cheer for them, especially now.
I hope something hilarious and bad happens to them in the WS.
by Aaroniero Arruruerie on Oct 23, 2010 1:56 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I really don't know who I'm going to be rooting for in the World Series...
The Rangers are a division rival so rooting for them would be as if I was cheating on my girlfriend. (Who at the moment’s pissing me off, but there were good times at some point too.)
The Phillies would be there for the third time in a row and I was sick and tired of them last year.
I grew up hating the Giants and my roommate, along with my brother-in-law, happen to be die hard Giant fans. I will never, ever, hear the end of it if the Giants win the World Series.
Maybe I’ll just watch the Cliff Lee starts and follow nothing else. Cliff Lee’s amazing.
Now the guestion to ponder is wither Ron Washington?
Does he have the intestinal fortitude to start Lee in games 1, 4 and 7? Will he be the only manager this year to ask one of his pitchers to do something extraordinary?
If he cannot pull the trigger on this gutsy move the Rangers will lose no matter who they play.
And as far as the future goes the Rangers are not as big a threat as is supposed. Josh Hamilton is nearing his decline phase as an injury prone player, expect a precipitous dropoff ala Griffey Jr. The Rangers don’t draw well even when they win and will soon have to pay arbitration and market rates to Hamilton, Kinsler, Cruz and Andrus. Meanwhile they have their franchise guy in Young who will always be paid and never be pushed out the door. Cliff Lee will not be a Ranger next year. Vlad may want to cash in on this years success with a last long term deal the Rangers may not be able to afford. The Rangers window is closing fast just as the window of the Rays has now closed. The Mariners under Z are being built to challenge the Angels over the long haul and by the end of the decade it will be the Angels and Mariners who dominate the West, not the Rangers.
20 years. 3 Billion dollars
Financially the Rangers will be more than ok.
And whoever signs Vlad next year is going to be disappointed.
Twenty years and 1.5-1.6 billion would be more accurate.
Best case that is 80 million a year. Now consider how poorly they draw when winning and how disastrously they draw when they lose.
I for one am still far more worried about the Angels than the Rangers.
Also remeber that from 2000-2003 the Mariners had the third best revenue in baseball.
When the Mariners are good they are supported like few other mlb teams. And I believe the Mariners are not that far from signing their own new FOX deal which will certainly be a dramatic increase.
A thought re: Lee & the Rangers
" …there is some prevailing thought the Rangers might be more of an option than we all think. After all, Lee is an Arkansas boy that might not enjoy living in the "concrete jungle." Yes, the Yankees can offer more money, but Texas doesn’t have state taxes which will force the Yankees to go significantly higher than the Rangers to equal out an offer. If the Rangers offer 7 years and $150 million dollars, would the Yanks go wild and increase their offer by another $20-30 million to offset New York taxes? Is an offer of that magnitude that crazy? The Rangers did reportedly sign a $3 billion dollar cable deal with FOX in late September."
wrong question
The question is ‘whither’ (which means ‘where’) Ron Washington, not ‘wither’, (which means ‘wilt’).
You sodomites are all rooting for your own destruction.
The Rangers get more money so they can sign better free agents and they become a more attractive destination because their path to the playoffs is not comparatively difficult and they are now a successful team or whatever. Rooting for your direct rivals is shameful and you should be sent to bed without dinner.
by abender20 on Oct 23, 2010 4:21 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
And they were already going to be an attractive destination
And I don’t much care about free agency anyway.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 23, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I, too, was a big fan of the Rays in 2008
But then they started touring with major-label teams, playing bigger venues to larger crowds and, all of a sudden, they’re selling Rays t-shirts at Hot Topic. The last straw was when they played a Rays’ highlight video on ESPN.
Sellouts. It used to be about the the baseball, man.
by ThomasG on Oct 23, 2010 6:58 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I wouldn't say I was rooting for the Rangers
but I was happy they performed the vital community service of knocking out the Yankees. Now I can go back to deciding between the Giants and the Phillies – even though they’ve been there the last couple years, it doesn’t bother me that the Phils could be in the WS again. They seem like a benign enough dominant force. I don’t know.
I guess the brain damage it making itself known again
by Graham MacAree on Oct 23, 2010 10:34 AM PDT reply actions
Brain damage is probably the only reason I've spent seven years blogging about the Mariners
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 23, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
There sure as fuck isn't any logical reasons.
"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."
by the other side on Oct 23, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Jealousy is a stinky cologne.....and I smell terrible right now.
I mean, congrats to any lifelong, long-suffering Rangers fans. I can only imagine the elation they are experiencing right now. I hope they truly soak it in and enjoy it because holy fucking christ I am jealous. Just utterly blinded by it. If the Rangers win the World Series, I will be so fucking bummed out. Makes me want to puke just thinking about it.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Oct 23, 2010 11:05 AM PDT reply actions
I've arrived at the exact same feelings.
I don’t like, not one bit
Yeah, i'll have to agree.
I certainly won’t root for the Rangers as much as I did last night, with the strikeout of Alex to end it, that was perfect. But unlike many here,against ALL common sense, I think I will root for the Rangers in the World Series. Oh and great writeup Jeff, your articles are one of the many reasons I still check back here even during the offseason.
The one bright spot
About 10 years ago the Rangers were absolute crap. They had a huge payroll and simply sucked. Sound familiar? They unloaded and started acquiring young talent. It took them less than 10 years to make the World Series.
Watching them win last night reminded me that the Mariners won’t suck forever, which allowed me some peace of mind before I went to bed. Congrats Rangers. Thanks for reminding me that the time and effort I spend on this shitty ass baseball team of mine might not go to waste after all.
And yes… Go Giants.
The Rangers should be a beacon of hope to us all
If they can make the series, we can too!
by Poochie on Oct 23, 2010 3:48 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Thanks Jeff.
I’ve always admired the Mariners, even though they’re division rivals with the Rangers. I remember wanting so badly for you guys to beat the Yankees in 2001 after that incredible season. At that time, I felt the same as what you felt: anger towards our situation, and envious of yours. I hope the Rangers can keep Cliff Lee, and Smoak becomes a great player we all hope and project him to be. Even though we may not like each other, I’d rather be beaten by Seattle or Oakland (fuck the Angels) than a team like the Yankees or Red Sox.
The people here at LoL are awesome. I hope you guys will get to experience the same feeling I have right now.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
Yeah. This was my expereince too.
The entire series was a lose/lose scenario. I can’t stand watching the Yankees make it, but it’s worse for the Mariners if Texas makes it. Either way I wasn’t getting what I wanted, so I was okay rooting for Texas – a talented team that is still fun to watch – to take down the giant.
Now it’s over though, so now I want them to be swept in embarrassing fashion and their best players cast into a never-ending depression that leaves them lifeless and listless for 2011 onward.
...and now I'm here
Jeff you sexy beast.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
They became more successful...
when they recieved Cliff Lee. Stupid trade off.
by well you win some and lose others on Oct 24, 2010 11:27 AM PDT reply actions
As a little kid, I lived equidistant from Wrigley and Milwaukee County Stadium (where the Braves played, kids, not the Brewers). My mom took me to Wrigley and my dad took me to Milwaukee. Naturally, I was a Dodgers fan, and so hated the fucking Giants. As an adult, I lived in the Bay Area for a few years, but never became a Giants fan, and the A’s were out of the question, as I was a NL guy.
Ten or twelve years ago, I started listening to Mariners games, because that was all I could get on the radio an hour south of Portland. Even then, the radio petered out after sunset, but I did get to hear some of the end of the Randy/Griffey/A-Rod era. At least the early innings.
When MLB came up with Gameday Audio, I was able to listen to either team’s broadcast of any game. My childhood allegiances had faded, so I chose to continue listening to the Mariners. I became a fan, and read all the blogs every day, as well as listening to nearly all the games. But I did listen to a lot of other teams’ broadcasts as well, because I could, and because the Mariners don’t play every day all day. In the process of listening to random games, I chanced upon the Giants broadcasters.
It turns out that the Giants’ broadcasters are, to a man, smart and funny and entertaining as hell. The Mariners’ broadcasters, on the other hand, are mainly insipid. How Dave got into the hall of fame is beyond me, unless it just has to do with longevity. He’s awful. Sure, he has a good grand slam call, but he can’t even remember it correctly now, and has to insert ‘this time’ and ‘that time’ into it and every other sentence. Rizzs is better, but not a lot, a repetitive gladhander, Captain Obvious. I actually like Sims best, but he’s nothing to write home about. The Giants broadcasting team, on the other hand, is always entertaining, sophisticated, and insightful, and has the best/funniest post-game wrap in the business.
So as the seasons have worn on, I have dutifully listened to Mariners games, but lived for days when the time difference allowed me to listen to Giants games as well. I don’t really have time to listen to two whole games, but sometimes I’d listen to archived Giants games, just for the announcing, not because I had any particular love for the team. I really wanted to listen to the Giants games, but loyalty to the Mariners kept me from doing so as often as I wanted. Gradually, I started switching games in the late innings, after it became clear the M’s would not only lose again, but not do anything interesting. I till read 4 of their blogs and listened to the start of every game, but it seemed increasingly pointless.
This year, around mid-season, I finally made the switch. I mean, what the hell point was there in listening to the Mariners? I still read the blogs and checked in on Felix Day, but listening to good broadcasters was so much more satisfying than listening to bad broadcasters chronicle Mariners’ losses, even when the Giants weren’t setting the world on fire, either. And so I started to get more familiar with the Giants’ players. And then, the Giants started to win. And then, they were in a division race. And then, they won the division in the final week. And then they were in a pennant race. And then they won the pennant and are going to the World Series.
I rooted for Texas because of Cliff Lee, and, let’s face it, I was originally a Dodger fan who had to hate the Yankers even more than the Giants, because they almost always beat my guys in the World Series. And because you shouldn’t be able to buy a championship. But now we have a Mariners rival in the Series. How the hell can you root for them? There’s a better choice: forget about the TV announcers and listen to the audio from KNBR (via MLB Gameday). Then you’ll feel like you’re best friends with John Miller, Dave Fleming, Dwayne Kuiper, Mike Krukow, and J.T. Snow. You’ll appreciate their spot-on analysis. And you won’t be tempted to root for the fucking Rangers.
Go Giants.
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