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Today's Fun Fact, Re: Tony Gwynn

I know this doesn't have to do with the Mariners, but it was inspired by one. I was looking over Ichiro's numbers on Baseball-Reference, and I scrolled down to the Leaderboards/Awards/Honors section. My eyes drifted over to the 'Intentional Bases on Balls' box, where I noticed that Ichiro currently ranks 38th all time in intentional walks, with 155.

I got to wondering just how many other singles hitters there've been who have drawn so many free passes, so I clicked through to the all-time list. And there, near the top - #12 in baseball history - is Tony Gwynn, with 203. Gwynn and his career 135 home runs are sandwiched between guys with 586, 555, 548, and 512.

It isn't crazy - Ichiro and Gwynn have been among the best singles hitters ever. They've stood in as legitimate threats, and it's made sense for pitchers to pitch around them in run-scoring situations. But it's still impressive that they've been treated with such fear and respect given that neither has been a real candidate to go deep. It says a lot about their respective abilities as pure batsmen.

That got me glued to Gwynn's player page. Because I grew up in San Diego, Gwynn didn't exactly go by unnoticed, but I don't think I was old enough to truly appreciate how good he was at what he did. Had you asked me 12 years ago what I thought about Tony Gwynn, I would've told you he's pretty good for a big fat guy. I couldn't believe it the first time someone told me he came up as a scrawny speedster. Gwynn stole 33 bases in 1984. He stole 56 bases in 1987. He slapped 13 triples that same year. Gwynn used to be quick.

Then - and there's no getting around it - he got bigger. I don't know why he started adding weight so fast, and I don't want to say anything unfairly critical, but he ballooned in the second half of his career.

But that's not what I want to focus on. Rather, I want to focus on a split. Gwynn played in parts of 20 Major League seasons, making them easy to split up into groups of five. Let's split his career chronologically into four groups of five years and check out his batting average on balls in play over those periods of time:

First 5: .335 BABIP
Second 5: .339
Third 5: .355
Fourth 5: .334

It's important to note that the league average BABIP when Gwynn was young was lower than the league average BABIP when he was older. So he didn't finish his career with as good a BABIP as he had early on, relative to his peers.

But he was close. And that .334 BABIP over his final five seasons - that's astonishing. Carl Crawford's career BABIP is .331. Carl Crawford is one of the fastest runners in baseball. Over his final five seasons, Tony Gwynn was one of the biggest, and he had some of the worst knees.

With footspeed almost completely taken out of the equation, Tony Gwynn nevertheless managed to turn far more balls in play into hits than the league average. And he was able to do this because he just hit the ball hard. He hit the ball on a line, seemingly without fail, at least a couple times every game, from the time he was a fresh-faced rookie to the time that playing in the outfield every day just killed him.

Tony Gwynn retired in 2001. He spent the year as a 41 year old pinch-hitter playing on impossible knees. He batted .324.

Tony Gwynn was amazing. If he could bat .324 against Major League pitching in the condition he was in at the end of his career, beating this cancer should be a walk in the park.

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Dang.

I can’t find the photo of Gwynn playing basketball at SD State.

by msb on Oct 22, 2010 4:27 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm most impressed by his strikeouts

He had 8 years with more than 400 ABs and less than 20 strikeouts.Excluding his first and last years, his career high K% was 7.7. Over his career he was 4.7%. Ichiro’s lowest K%? 7.7. People underestimate how much of a freak Tony Gwynn was.

by TheEmrys on Oct 22, 2010 4:59 PM PDT reply actions  

I think being large and in charge is Gwynn's natural state.

Once he made it to the majors and hit like he did, I don’t think anyone pressured him to stay in any shape besides “round and hitting”.

"There! I just sold you for a cigarette! And I don't smoke!"

by Thingray on Oct 22, 2010 5:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Great closing comment.

You are a mensch.

I guess one man's pain in the ass is another’s perfect fit.
by mick10 on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT

by winningugly on Oct 22, 2010 5:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Great post by the way Jeff.

Everyone (me included) forgets what an unbelievable hitter Gwynn was, just because he wasn’t a slugger. Nice to see someone remember, and bring it back to everyone’s attention (at least in one little corner of the world).

"There! I just sold you for a cigarette! And I don't smoke!"

by Thingray on Oct 22, 2010 5:17 PM PDT reply actions  

1994

Royals fans love to talk about Brett’s run at .400 in 1980 (rightly so, it was a great season). However, it’s remarkable how many people forget Gwynn was hitting .394 when the strike stopped the season. I think he had a shot at .400 that year and the normally humble Gwynn even agrees.

No matter where you go, there you are.

by KC Mariner on Oct 22, 2010 5:49 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for this.

Tony Gwynn was and always will be my 2nd favorite baseball player of all time. I never tired of watching him hit and used alot of his techniques into my own skillset.

by Slica on Oct 22, 2010 7:54 PM PDT reply actions  

1987 Tony Gwynn made me love baseball more than 1980 George Brett did

which is saying something because 1980 George Brett is probably my favorite baseball player season I’ve ever seen. But 1987 Gwynn was pretty damn fun to watch.

by pdb on Oct 22, 2010 9:49 PM PDT reply actions   5 recs

Tony Gwynn was my favorite player growing up.

I remember trying to model my swing after his when I was in Little League. Didn’t work all that well, seeing as I was right-handed and all.

by ThomasG on Oct 23, 2010 5:08 AM PDT reply actions  

The most amazing thing to me about Tony Gwynn?

For a five -year period in his mid-thirties, he hit .365.

A fat, old guy hitting within sight of .400 for five straight years. OMG, is that even possible?

by nathaniel dawson on Oct 23, 2010 8:24 AM PDT reply actions  

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