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Uniform Fan Poll

The crazy thing about uniform changes or announcements isn't the uniforms themselves, but rather the impassioned response from certain corners of the fan base. People tend to get really emotional about clothes. Some people love them. Some people think they're ridiculous. Some people don't really care, but these people are outnumbered and outshouted, mostly because they're not shouting at all, because they don't really care, and no one shouts about their indifference.

I'm sure there's a scientific basis somewhere as to why certain people like certain uniforms while certain other people don't, but I'm unaware of any such explanation, which means these things always seem subjective and irrational. Even more irrational than team rootability. You can usually identify reasons why people like a given team. It's much more difficult to identify reasons why people like a given uniform. It isn't based on hometown or favorite players or cherished memories. It's based on color and design preference, and these things are unpredictable. Sometimes the people themselves can't predict how they'll respond to a change.

So with that and yesterday's announcement in mind, I wanted to poll the crowd and see how people feel about the "northwest green" alternates. I can't tell which way the majority leans from the discussion, so I want some damn numbers.

Poll
My opinion of the alternates:
I love the teal!
311 votes
I like the teal
334 votes
I don't really care about the teal
264 votes
I don't like the teal
209 votes
I hate the teal >:(
162 votes
They should make them the same color as Art Thiel's face
80 votes

1360 votes | Poll has closed

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One home uni, one away uni

Home: White
Away: Grey

That’s how it should be.

by surfmonkey89 on Oct 21, 2010 2:44 PM PDT reply actions   6 recs

Agree 100%

This alternate uniform for alternate “thursdays that fall on days of the month divisible by three” kind of deal drives me crazy. The identity of a team is forged by its uniform. Do the premier franchises have alternate uniforms? Do the Yankees have alternate uniforms? This is just a way of getting more gear to sell.

by New England Fan on Oct 21, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Almost every single team has at least 1 alternate jersey.

Including the Phillies, Giants, Braves, Rangers, Red Sox, and Cubs. So nice try I suppose.

by Patrick Stites on Oct 21, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't mind alternates for special occasions,

but alternates for every third Tuesday piss me off.

"There! I just sold you for a cigarette! And I don't smoke!"

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess that just doesn't make sense to me.

I love seeing alternates once or twice a week on a homestand. Team colors are a big part of a team’s identity.

by BrettJMiller on Oct 21, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

So what qualifies as team colors?

You look at some teams, and they have 20 colors on deck. How does that help identify a team? You don’t see Coca-Cola with 20 different colors of cans for Classic Coke. It’s always red and white so you can instantly identify it on the shelf. KFC doesn’t paint some restaurants teal and black, and some white and red. This whole thing is simply a ploy to try to sell more jerseys to suckers.

"There! I just sold you for a cigarette! And I don't smoke!"

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

What team has 20 different colors? At most I've seen 3.

And even though we got rid of the teal-billed hats in 2001, we’ve had navy and teal as our colors since we switched to the compass logo. The colors a team wears on the field are their team colors, and teal’s always been a part of our current uniform, even if it hasn’t always been featured.

by BrettJMiller on Oct 21, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't have the stats in front of me,

but I know the Dallas Cowboys have at least three versions of blue, and mulitple versions of silver along with white, black and grey listed as team colors. Uni Watch did a big thing on this a while back. I’ll see if I can find it in the archives.

"There! I just sold you for a cigarette! And I don't smoke!"

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I found it:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=lukas/071025&sportCat=nfl

"There! I just sold you for a cigarette! And I don't smoke!"

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

As a consumer

I want multiple choices. If people want more jerseys, sweet! I don’t see this as a gear-marketing-ploy so much.

Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
The first rule of Lookout Landing is...

by appleshampoo on Oct 22, 2010 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is totally a gear marketing ploy and nothing else

you think they asked the players what they wanted to wear next year?

by pdb on Oct 22, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's ridiculous to think that they did ask the players, and there's no way we can know.

Okay, I may have been naive in my thinking about marketing ploys. But the thing is, you can buy teal jerseys now if you want.

I guess I just don’t entirely get this angle. Jerseys are expensive. People who buy a lot of jerseys are going to buy new jerseys year to year anyway. These people are going to buy a new jersey next year regardless, maybe now it will be teal.

People with less money probably don’t buy as many jerseys, maybe only one every couple of years. Maybe this year their one jersey will be teal.

You really think this will increase their jersey sales year-over-year? I just don’t get the “this is just to make money off of stupid people” criticism. If you don’t like the jerseys, fine, don’t buy them.

Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
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by appleshampoo on Oct 22, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

It has been found that changing the alternate jerseys on a regular basis does

have an upwards effect on jersey sales. Some fans are compulsive about needing to have one of every single iteration that comes out. Those are the people being targeted with such decisions.

by Sec 108 on Oct 22, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you have a link for that?

Not trying to be a dick because it does make sense. I’m curious though if there was a study done or something.

Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
The first rule of Lookout Landing is...

by appleshampoo on Oct 22, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

No link.

I have a client who produces league approved apparel and it was something he communicated to me.

by Sec 108 on Oct 25, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a total traditionalist when it comes to baseball uniforms

and pandering to the fanbase to sell more units really pisses me off.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rays, Rangers, Giants, Phillies (old school), Twins, Braves....

All made the playoffs this year, and they all have alternate uniforms. Plenty of premier organizations have alternates.

by BrettJMiller on Oct 21, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see more teams use colours other than grey for their away jerseys.

Remember the Pirates’ yellow?

Or the Royals’ powder blue?

That’s what I’d like to see. None of this everyone’s grey crap.

Now, MLB might be behind the all grey trend. They vetoed Toronto’s planned away jerseys a few years ago that were going to be a slightly darker grey. Oh, those rebels.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Oct 21, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a national team though.

It’s a little different situation.

"There! I just sold you for a cigarette! And I don't smoke!"

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know.

I actually agree with him though. I like color in uniforms. If every team wore white and grey it would be incredibly boring. Simple color jerseys like Texas are great.

by spencer peaty on Oct 21, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can agree with colors instead of grey.

But pick one and stick with it.

"There! I just sold you for a cigarette! And I don't smoke!"

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Oh, and I prefer white pants to the monochrome look,

but that’s just my opinion.

"There! I just sold you for a cigarette! And I don't smoke!"

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I prefer it in all sports actually.

I’m not a big fan of “all one color”, except for some reason all white is okay. I guess I’m racist.

"There! I just sold you for a cigarette! And I don't smoke!"

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

When I see teams on Sport Center, I don’t want to have to guess who I’m seeing

by New England Fan on Oct 22, 2010 4:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree to an extent

but I think home uniforms should be given discretion to wear whatever color they want except gray, while all road uniforms should be gray. Multiple alternate uniform types is just a way to sell more jerseys. That’s annoying.

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by Corco on Oct 21, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

They're calling teal "Northwest Green"?

That’s like calling Paul Blart: Mall Cop “Northwest Die Hard”. Or like calling urine “Northwest Lemonade”. Or like calling Jose Lopez “Northwest Jose Bautista”. I could go on.

by RunningFool on Oct 21, 2010 2:45 PM PDT reply actions   6 recs

Yeah, okay, the name is retarded.

But the teal is awesome.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 21, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

What I don't really get is the trident love.

I like the trident and all, but having the team wear it once or twice at home every five years or so is good enough for me.

I went to the Turn Back the Clock game to the late ‘80s/early ’90s blue-and-gold "M’s" uniforms, which I enjoyed, but don’t need to see any more than once a decade.

But I would enjoy the M’s in Rainiers duds for probably a series a season. I’d be more excited, though, if Tacoma didn’t already use that moniker.

Charter Member: Dave Sims Sweet Hat Club // Career .384 BA, .543 OBP for Rocky Diablos

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Oct 21, 2010 2:47 PM PDT reply actions  

The same way most of you grew up with the current unis, I grew up with the trident

it’s the uniform that I first identified with the Mariners and as such will always be a big part of my Mariner fandom.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   5 recs

Agree -

The blue and gold was a paen to the Pilots who wore the same colors. The trident was just cool. I still have a trident hat.

by New England Fan on Oct 21, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes indeed.

The trident and those colors were the first pennant I had on my wall, the first Mariner’s hat I had, the logo on the wrist band I got from some promotion back in the 80’s, etc, etc.

That is the M’s when I first started following them.

"There! I just sold you for a cigarette! And I don't smoke!"

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

The Trident IS the Mariners in my mind to this day. The rest of those uniforms weren’t so great but the hat was the shit. I will always pine for its triumphant return. That and the tugboat bullpen car.

Griffey!

by Big Jared on Oct 21, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I usually don't give a shit about uniforms, but these make me sad.

1. Teal is gross. It’s always been gross, but the ‘90s embraced gross colors, so we put up with it. But it’s not something I’m hankering to see again.

2. It’s too soon. Guys who wore those jerseys are still playing professional baseball. A “throwback” jersey to 15 years ago seems like a stretch.

3. It’s yet another indication that this organization is stuck in the ’90s.

by Teej on Oct 21, 2010 2:49 PM PDT reply actions   5 recs

It's all about getting fans in seats on a friday night.

If I remember right the last time they wore the teal shirts a lot of people said they liked the teal, but too bad no one saw them wear it for a whole game since the game wasn’t a tv broadcast

Eat shit bum!

by LeftArrow2 on Oct 21, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Personally I never liked them, even when they first came out.

But I despise the color teal, so there is that. I wasn’t aware that any players were big fans of them. I’m guessing it was some of the younger guys that maybe saw Griffey wear it in his prime or something?

"There! I just sold you for a cigarette! And I don't smoke!"

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not only do I love the teal, but I love having navy alternates

It sets up scenarios where we could wear 4 different jerseys 4 straight games!!!

by Poochie on Oct 21, 2010 2:50 PM PDT reply actions  

??

Morgan Ensberg for Manager 2011!
AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."

by joof on Oct 21, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I liked the darker alternatives better

But I guess there’s no use complaining now.

by Aaroniero Arruruerie on Oct 21, 2010 2:51 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

You still get them on the road!

Next, the return of the black alts for interleague play!

by lemonverbena on Oct 21, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd bet in 2012 they'll probably make the navys also a home alternate again.

I’d suppose that this year they only want to have the “new” alternate at home to market it more to the fans.

by BrettJMiller on Oct 21, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll tell you one thing, they'll never get my money for an alternate jersey.

No team ever will. Screw the black Seahawks jerseys, and the neon green too. Screw teal.

Throwbacks (real ones) are different. I would spring for the old trident stuff, both home and away.

"There! I just sold you for a cigarette! And I don't smoke!"

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

If the team actually wears it on the field, I would be willing to buy it.

If the Mariners wore pink, I’d buy a pink jersey. They don’t, so I think it’s an abomination. But the Hawks wore lime green once, and the M’s are wearing teal again now, so it seems like fair game to buy them now.

by BrettJMiller on Oct 21, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

What is a "fashion jersey"?

I’ve never heard of this. And Brett, I see your point. Once they actually wear it, it becomes a legit purchase in that sense, but I personally will not spend my money on something that the team only wears “every now and then” (or in the case of the neon Seahawks jerseys, hopefully NEVER again).

"There! I just sold you for a cigarette! And I don't smoke!"

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jerseys that are only sold in stores

so fans can wear them and look cool. But they will never see the field.

by spencer peaty on Oct 21, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fans that wear gear that isn't in the team colors piss me off.

If you aren’t a big enough fan to wear the colors, then don’t wear the gear at all.

"There! I just sold you for a cigarette! And I don't smoke!"

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dont see your point?

If the team/league creates the item, and its authentically licensed merchandise, how does that make someone “not a big enough fan” for wearing it? It was made by the team/league.

by Patrick Stites on Oct 21, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because team colors are important.

Just because they put their logo on a pile of dog crap doesn’t mean you have to buy it and put it on your head.

If you want a Mariner’s hat, get a Mariner’s hat with the team colors. Why does it have to be pink (unless it’s a charity thing)? I told my wife I would never buy her pink team gear, and if I caught her with any it was getting burned. Thankfully she agrees with me.

Also, there is something to be said for going into a stadium and seeing a flood of team colors everywhere. But when people are wearing black, pink, neon, teal, white, blue, etc, it kind of ruins the whole effect.

"There! I just sold you for a cigarette! And I don't smoke!"

by Thingray on Oct 21, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate this logic.

I own a Mariners team color hat but it hangs in my living room because I don’t like the colors. I do collect officially liscensed Mariners hats of other colors/styles though. This makes me a douche nag because, even though I am sporting the logo and spending about $35 dollars a hat, I am a douchebag because it’s not their official colors. Fuck that noise. My 12 Mariners hats supported the team by giving them money and by wearing their logo.

by Kirk on Oct 21, 2010 10:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I didn't see douchebag anywhere in his comment Kirk.

He also didn’t say he was using logic. He was stating a preference.

by Sec 108 on Oct 22, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Well I wear a dark green Mariner hat because I wish that was one

of their colors. I would never wear plaid, red, black, teal, pink or many other varieties because I think they look awful. It is just my personal preference.

I honestly do not care what other people wear, but I do dislike this decision for the two reasons I have already stated. I hate teal and it feels like a ploy to pull at the heartstrings of the casual fan.

by Sec 108 on Oct 22, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I posted this earlier but it was unfinished & this seemed the appropriate topic to finish it with.

It also took longer than I anticipated to finish.

I wish with everything that I have that Wedge would wear this “fashion jersey” opening night.

"It's a light bat"

by DHforHOF on Oct 21, 2010 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

What?!

Okay, I just looked it up; dictionary.com applies the modifier “promiscuous” in a total of one out of about twenty definitions, and nowhere does it mention lack of consent. I am led to believe that my initial thoughts on the word were correct.

by RunningFool on Oct 21, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

No no no, it just means to have sex with.

And it’s always meant some variation of copulate, even when it was in other languages. But because it’s a derogatory word, it is more closely associated with negative sexual interactions. As far as I can tell and have read, it still just means sex. There is a whole book on it apparently, but I haven’t checked it out.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Oct 22, 2010 2:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was simply meant as a seemingly more derogatory statement than that which MB himself wore in reference to EW.

If you were to dive into the statement as a whole and research the origin, discussing it here would not be appropriate.

Due to the reasoning behind adding “Premaritally” to the statement in fact being seen as more derogatory than Bradley’s original statement of “Fuck Eric Wedge”.

Society over time has let go of it’s grip on perceived immoralities based on certain groups views. I do think though that it is within reason to assume that society still sees the word “Premarital” as a degradation of the act of intercourse, thus making premarital copulation viewed as socially worse than copulation in and of itself .

Note that, I do not care one way or the other.

I merely found it a more amusing way to photoshop a fictional (shirted) response to Milton’s apparent view of his old Manager that has now become his apparent last hope at baseball redemption.

"It's a light bat"

by DHforHOF on Oct 22, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reply fail.

The above post was intended as a general statement as to why I chose the wording I did. It was not aimed at CapSea’s response to Runningfool.

Apologies.

"It's a light bat"

by DHforHOF on Oct 22, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's origin is actually unknown.

Those that have spent years studying it’s origin have general (and one would assume mostly accurate) ideas of where it came from but, no one truly knows for certain.

In English though, in my mind it is the single greatest word in any dictionary. While it is still viewed as socially unacceptable in America & many other countries, in common place settings it can be used in any sentence ever conceived. It can be viewed as any emotion on earth if placed correctly in the statement or sentence.

Think of how many times the word Fuck has been typed into one of these boxes here at LL during a Mariners game alone. I am sure it’s in the tens of thousands. In many cases it was intended to have a slightly different meaning than the person just before meant when they typed it, even if in response to the same play.

All depending on what word sat before or after it.

The word in its most literal meaning, refers to the act of sexual intercourse. I have never read anything on it that might suggest that it once meant “With out Consent” or “Rape”. Most dictionaries reference Germanic when giving an etymology for the word, all of which relate to intercourse, a prelude to intercourse or the essential equipment necessary to have intercourse.

Personally I use it abundantly while being entertained by the sports teams I follow, normally in reference to their lack of talent, some specifically amazing play or the officiating seemingly favoring the opponent at the time.

"It's a light bat"

by DHforHOF on Oct 22, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its hard for me to be passionate about a uniform being worn for 8% of the games.

Its only about 13 games a year. If I had to pick, I would be in favor of the teal since change every for only a day is good once in a while.

Eat shit bum!

by LeftArrow2 on Oct 21, 2010 3:29 PM PDT reply actions  

I hate the teal more than anything else this team has worn ever.

I would literally rather they play naked or wrapped in cellophane or, I don’t know, on fire than in that horrid awful 1990’s throwback crap.

At least the Trident was classy and different. Now our logo is generic and stupid.

by Smegmalicious on Oct 21, 2010 3:45 PM PDT reply actions  

If you're a huge Safeway fan

And if you’re a fan of a generic logo. I like the compass element of it, but the trident was just so classic.

by Smegmalicious on Oct 21, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't get how it's generic? It reflects our team name fairly well.

The trident seems dated now but maybe that’s just because they stopped using it 20 years ago.

by Mariner John on Oct 21, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Largely indifferent, with a slight lean toward like

Alternate jerseys are sort of fun, but you can definitely go overboard with it.

by Aly Edge on Oct 21, 2010 5:14 PM PDT reply actions  

The biggest issue with teal

It replaces the Friday night navy jerseys. The Friday night navies are the best jerseys ever. In the history of the Mariners, they are the best ones. Felix looks like a sexy, sexy beast in the navy jerseys. And now I don’t get to go to The Safe on a Friday night and watch Felix dominate in the Mariners’ coolest fucking jerseys ever.

Take the teal on the road or something. Not this.

by Pete_ on Oct 21, 2010 7:18 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

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