36.2% For Edgar
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 6, 2010 11:12 AM PST
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PrintAll things considered, that's not too bad for a ballot rookie. In the big picture, Edgar's chances are looking good.
I care about the rest of the vote about as much as I care about the Gold Gloves.
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Do we have a history on players it took a few years (decades?) to get in and what their first ballot % was?
Just to compare how Edgar did on his first go-round.
I fucking hate you Mariners
I believe you can only be on the ballot for 10 years, then it's up to the Veterans Committee.
I’m trying to find confirmation on that. I could be wrong.
Was hoping for something north of 40%.
Oh well. In the next 15 years, many of the old codgers who voted against Edgar will be gone and replaced by people more apt accept him.
My hope is that Edgar is elected alongside Randy or Junior. I would consider making a trip out to Cooperstown in those cases.
Honestly, I hope Edgar gets there before that
I’d like him to be the first player to make it in the Hall as a Mariner.
Or your fantasy team
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by seattlecougar on Jan 6, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Mark McGwire went from 23.6% to 21.9% and then back to 23.7%.
Barry Larken gets just 51.6%, Tim Raines 30.4%, Andres Galaragga is one and done (4.1%) and somebody actually voted for David Segui.
Amazing.
A Few Hail Zduriencik!
>= 5%
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by seattlecougar on Jan 6, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
If I remember right Jay Buhner got a vote or two.
I think anything under 1% are kind of joke votes.
by Edgar for Pres on Jan 6, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
How many votes did Edgar get?
Some are reporting 36.2% while others are saying 32.6%
I don’t know what it’s called, but that happens to me sometimes where the numbers get shifted around.
For the sake of argument, let's say the following players were deserving:
Alomar, Larkin, Blyleven, Edgar, Dawson, Raines, and McGwire.
Is Dawson the worst player on that list?
by Teej on Jan 6, 2010 11:34 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Yes. By far.
Barry Larkin had a better OPS than Dawson.
by Manzanillos Cup on Jan 6, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
When put into context like that, it really makes me upset about hall voting
Even though I normally don’t really care that much
At least Bert will get in now next year.
And I’d expect Edgar will be in within five years as well, which may be sooner as well considering Mariner fans rule the internet.
Shocked that Geoff Baker didn’t vote for Edgar, his article about his choice is like a time walk back to an early 2007 column by him.
And I really want to know who voted for Segui
by seattlebruin on Jan 6, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
And never played more than 150 games in a season and only hit 130 four times
by seattlebruin on Jan 6, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
If I remember correctly he was insane with the glove for a while
Also he seemed really nice when he signed my autograph so there’s that too.
All I remember about him is that one time there was a foul pop up that he was right under, and for whatever retarded reason I started chanting "drop it, drop it, drop it!" ( I was like 9), and then he dropped it.
I thought I had special powers for like 3 years after that
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Probably just someone giving him one honorary vote before he leaves the ballot.
Jay Buhner got a vote like this. Not anything to get worked up over.
Seriously, who did that?
Did one of you guys steal a ballot?
by Teej on Jan 6, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Who voted for Eric Karros!? That's even worse!
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David Segui's mother
is a member of the BBWAA.
How did Todd Zeile not get a vote?
His fact sheet was outstanding
by Brian Floyd on Jan 6, 2010 11:52 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
I think not voting for anybody is completely valid
It just depends on what you consider to be Hall-worthy. High standards I think are good.
by Edgar for Pres on Jan 6, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Not voting for obviously deserving players because of "high standards" is the dumbest thing I've ever heard
by seattlebruin on Jan 6, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't read his quotes
He is a retard. I’m sorry I tried to in any way defend his actions.
by Edgar for Pres on Jan 6, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised
If he did this for the spotlight and to have material to write about.
Also, he’s an idiot.
I really hope Dawson goes in as an Expo
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To elaborate
If Dawson goes in as a Cub, I don’t think he should even be there. If he goes in as an Expo, that seems more valuable to me as we was the best player that franchise ever saw, besides maybe Tim Raines, and I doubt Raines gets in.
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My entirely unscientific prediction: Edgar makes the hall in 2012
He builds “momentum” through ’11, then makes it in a thin ballot the following year.
Don't care much about the vote but...
This probably hurts Edgar’s chances. Voters next year will surely vote for Blyleven, Alomar, Larkin and maybe Morris. And Bagwell is coming onto the ballot and has a better case than Edgar. With that many candidates, and since the logic behind HOF voting is stupid, this means they won’t vote for Edgar
FUCK THE ANGELS!
For next year, maybe
But eventually there’s going to be a weak year.
Yeah a lot of people probably didn't vote for him because they don't think he deserves the esteem of a first ballot selection
But still will vote for him eventually
Yeah
Edgar just needs to maintain momentum through a couple of strong years, which may be hard, especially when a lot of the big sluggers of the 1990’s start coming up.
That being said, voters haven’t looked all that kindly on McGwire so far, so who knows.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jan 6, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
You get Geoff Baker's HoF vote if-
You Ice your Knees alot…..
You play on astro turf….
You get injured in highschool….
OK, to make this a little more fun
What not-yet-eligible players do you think deserve to be in the Hall of Fame? For active players with limited service time, use a 95% judgment case – do you think that there is a 95% or better chance that the player’s career numbers will eventually be Hall of Fame worthy?
For example, Albert Pujols is a shoe-in based on his nine seasons of utter excellence. Zack Greinke would be a no way and Chase Utley would be somewhere in the middle.
My ballot
Pitchers: Greg Maddux, Randy Johnson, Tom Glavine, Mariano Rivera, Trevor Hoffman
Position Players: Ken Griffey, Jr, Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter, Barry Bonds, Ichiro Suzuki, Albert Pujols, Manny Ramirez,
I’m sure I missed really obvious ones
by seattlebruin on Jan 6, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Frank Thomas and John Smoltz maybe
Craig Biggio is probably definite.
by Mariner John on Jan 6, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
149 OPS+
He was good.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jan 6, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Remember - it's YOUR vote
if you have high standards and don’t think that Ken Griffey should be elected on the first ballot, you don’t have to vote for him
by seattlebruin on Jan 6, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Unsure about Thome.
Piazza and Vizquel I think both get in after a couple of years.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jan 6, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
Really, Visquel?
I never really thought about it but I guess so?
...and now I'm here
Ozzie smith getting in helped his case.
If Edgar gets in then so should Thome.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 6, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
Correction
He’ll have good counting stats based on longevity and he was is a genuinely great defensive player.
Seriously. He’s still putting up good defensive numbers in a limited role in his 40’s. As a shortstop.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jan 6, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
Well, he was a plus CF all the way through his age 36 season and average at age 37
so I think it’s safe to assume he was pretty awesome for the first eight or so years of his career
Its kind of a shame Alomar didn't get more votes.
Not really sure why. Edgar got about what I expected. I think anything but a major disappointment is a good thing for Edgar’s chances. I think its gonna take him a while to get in but eventually I think he will get there.
I don't understand: if the DH is so easy to play,
then why aren’t there more DHs of Edgar’s caliber? I keep reading/hearing the argument that he had the luxury of not playing defense, but nobody ever seems to include in that statement an explanation of why others with the same “luxury” haven’t measured up over the past 36 years.
The commonly used argument
is that DH’s have it easier because they don’t have to play the field and can thus concentrate purely on hitting and won’t get injured, which raises their stats beyond where they should be.
Despite the mountain of evidence that suggests that not playing defense, in fact, generally hurts offensive production.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jan 6, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Though at the same time, being a DH makes it easier to rack up counting stats because you minimize injury risk.
And Edgar’s counting stats are what a lot of voters are looking at. “He was a DH and he still only barely broke 300 homers? LOSER.”
This is true.
But when looking at counting stats, I don’t understand how you can just ignore an (undeserved) late start to a career.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jan 6, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
And still got that extra base at 38 with no knees
He hit 40 doubles to lead the team in 2001 at age 38 after countless leg and knee injuries. There have been hitters with more power for sure, but there have been very few who could lace a ball into the OF gaps like Gar.
I guess that's part of where my frustration lies:
when “the commonly used argument” is statistically indefensible, it’s irksome to see it so commonly used. =/
I love how every other story about a player switching to the DH
Is how hard its going to be to adjust to not having to play the field.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 6, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
Bingo
I seem to recall an interview in the Times with a Mariner in ‘02(?) who was subbing for an injured Edgar. The comment made was that they were finding it really hard to find a rhythm without being in the field, and their offensive production was showing an impact from it. It was too easy to dwell on their at-bats when they couldn’t contribute with their glove.
Because most talented players can play the field as well.
It’s rare you have a hitter of Edgar’s talent who switches to DH without displaying the dreaded older players skills
It's too bad Randy is retiring.
With Edgar’s likely slow road to the hall, Griffey, Edgar and Johnson could have gotten in the same year. And their candidacy would likely help each other since it would make a good story.
...and now I'm here
Probably a good thing.
Trey would have taken you down, and he’s gotten pretty big.
by msb on Jan 6, 2010 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
Normally I don't care one whit about the Hall of Fame.
But Edgar cares. So I care. And now I’m pissed off at the terrible HOF voters.
The frustrating thing is the stupidity that goes into the votes, not necessarily who gets in.
One of Geoff Baker’s claims is that he voted for Dawson because of the “intangibles of playing on astroturf.” Which… makes pretty much no sense at all, especially because Edgar also had knee problems and also played on astroturf.
...and now I'm here
Geoff Baker is just a Drama Queen, ignoring him is the best thing.
by Sam Regens on Jan 6, 2010 5:12 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of which...
I never, if you would have given me a thousand guesses, picked his post-baseball career to be “”http://www.brandedsolutions.com/aboutus/team/team.html" >CEO of an embroidery company".
Never. Not once.
Here you go, and it didnt work for me.
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