Figuring Out That One Last Roster Spot
I was going to delay this post to give Matthew's more exposure, but I am almost laughably impatient. As such, please make note of Matthew's excellent Felix post below this one. Read it, because it's way more interesting than all this bench talk and roster speculation.
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At this point, it seems like the major transactions are finished. I'm not one to pretend to have any kind of insight into what the front office might do next, but with guys like Cliff Lee, Chone Figgins, and Milton Bradley already here, by and large the roster has already taken shape. Though the team could always opt to add a starter or pull off a surprising trade, right now, as constructed, there's only one remaining roster spot that absolutely has to be filled before the start of the season.
We've discussed that roster spot before. Not too long ago I said the team is most likely searching for a semi-regular righty bat capable of playing the outfield. But I feel like I left something out. For reference, here's what I assume is the team's current depth chart:
You can see the need for a righty outfielder. Ryan Langerhans, though oft-underrated, isn't much of an everyday player, and while Milton Bradley's got a lot of talent, the team would like to keep him at DH as often as possible so as to protect his health. Which leaves a hole. The Mariners need a guy they can platoon with Langerhans, and a guy who can act as a more legitimate fourth outfielder than Bradley can.
However, that's not all they need. Look at short. Jack Wilson is a neat little player. For every run he fails to produce at the plate, he takes one back in the field, providing an average overall performance and great glovework at a critical defensive position. But for as dependable as Wilson is in the field, you can never count on him to be healthy. He only missed four games in 2005, but since then he's missed 20, 27, 75, and 56, a sum total of 178 games missed over the last four years. That's a lot of missed time. Since 2006, Wilson's missed more than a quarter of his games, and at 32, we can't expect him to become more durable overnight.
It's not that Wilson doesn't have a capable backup. He does, in Jack Hannahan. Though Hannahan only has two games of shortstop experience in the Major Leagues, he's a terrific defensive third baseman with all the tools and agility to make it work in the middle. While most teams would shy away from using a guy with so little experience as their utility infielder, the Mariners are confident that they know what they're doing, and I think they'll be rewarded for it.
But consider the situation, here. It'd be one thing if Wilson kept going on the DL. A DL trip would allow the Mariners to call someone up from AAA (say, Josh Wilson or *sigh* Chris Woodward) without missing a beat. Wilson, though, doesn't go on the DL very often. He's only been twice in the last six years. No; Wilson's the type to develop those nagging day-to-day injuries with unpredictable recovery timelines. The sort of injuries that often don't require a DL stint. And should Wilson come up with one of those, then this roster, as currently built, would have to get by without any depth at all in the infield.
That's something I imagine the Mariners don't really want to do. It's not an issue that's likely to come up too terribly often, but it's one of those things you'd rather deal with before it happens. If Wilson gets knocked out of action for ten days, you don't want to play with a thin bench or send down a reliever. You want to be prepared.
It's for that reason that, though I mentioned guys like Reed Johnson and Rocco Baldelli, I think it's more likely the Mariners look for someone capable of playing both the infield and the outfield. Someone, incidentally, like Bill Hall, only presumably better. Someone a lot like Fernando Tatis. Tatis fits the mold. He's cheap, he's a righty, he has some power, and he can play almost anywhere. Last year with the Mets, he played everywhere but center and catcher. That's a versatile player, and the sort of versatile player I think the Mariners really want.
Fernando Tatis isn't a stud. At 35, his offensive skills are beginning to deteriorate, and though he can play almost any position, it's not like he can play them *well*. You don't go after Fernando Tatis because you think he can change your team's outlook. You go after Fernando Tatis because you need a guy who can swing a righty bat in the outfield while offering some emergency depth in the infield, and there really aren't a whole lot of those guys available. Like it or not, the team's probably a little wary about the shortstop position. Bringing in a guy like Tatis would give them options and keep them from freaking out every time Jack Wilson limps to first base.
This isn't, of course, the only possible route. Maybe the Mariners make a trade. Maybe they choose to be more vigilant about putting Wilson on the DL if he suffers any kind of injury. Maybe something else. I don't know what the plan is. But from looking at how the roster has shaken out, I can make a best guess, and at this point in time my best guess is that the Mariners end up with Fernando Tatis or Jerry Hairston Jr. or some other guy with a similar skillset to round things out. They aren't real sexy players, but versatility can be underrated, and, ultimately, there's definite value in covering all your bases.
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It's interesting to watch your impatience duke it out with your stubbornness.
But anyways, nice Felix addition.
So if I'm reading your depth chart right,
Felix is the DH if Griffey and Bradley are both out? Awesome.
by I Lick Squirrels on Jan 13, 2010 8:16 PM PST reply actions
Felix takes Johan deep.
Therefore, third DH.
Just for that reason
I can’t wait for interleague games.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Jan 13, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
Chone Figgins looks pretty white from a bird's eye view
by Dewey N on Jan 13, 2010 8:20 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
I cannot believe the Mariners switched to an all-grass mound.
I mean, who saw that coming?
Chone Figgins looks pretty left-handed from a bird's eye view
by seattlebruin on Jan 14, 2010 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
How good does the emergency SS need to be?
Could you play Lopez in LF and Hudson at 2B? I’d guess no, but that would be interesting.
My thinking was if you sign Orlando Hudson to play 2B
And make Lopez your LF platoon buddy with Langerhans, in the event of an injury to Hannahan & Wilson you could shift Lopez to SS for the day. He’s not a terrible 2B so I think in an emergency you could do it.
Figgins is definitely an option though, but you could shift Lopez from LF to 3B and Figgins from 3B to SS.
Just my thoughts. To be honest, I don’t think this is their plan, though.
Lopez has never played the outfield before, and unless he was awesome with the glove, he be a pretty lousy starting outfielder
There’s no point in keeping Lopez if he’s not playing second
It was just a thought, that's all.
It would obviously depend on his defense. If he was an average defender then I’d rather go with him in LF vs LHP and Hudson at 2B.
Not super
I’m not sure Tatis would function as the emergency SS, anyway, but he’d allow Figgins to move over.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 13, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
About halfway through that, I was thinking "they need Bill Hall!"
And then you said that.
I also think they could use a righty to backup at first as much as one in the outfiled. I’d hate to see them plan on using the lefties they have (Kotchman, Langerhans, Griffey, Hannahan, Saunders) fulltime at both positions.
by nathaniel dawson on Jan 13, 2010 8:33 PM PST reply actions
obviously we need to trade for Willie
think we can get him for Felix?
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
I was interested to hear Chone on the HS show say that he was preparing to play either 3B or 2B.
As though he wasn’t sure where he would be playing.
Zduriencik at the meet-up
More-or-less counted Figgins at both positions too. I still don’t know if that reflects the general organizational philosophy of positional flexibility (giving guys regular time off and shuffling things around because of pinch hitting — which Wak didn’t do much of last year — or injuries or whatever) or if they have something specific in mind, like bringing in a RH 25th OF/IF whose natural IF position is 3B (moving Lopez to 1B when you want more RH in the lineup?). Or maybe they really are still hoping to flip Lopez.
by wandergeist on Jan 14, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
I'd love to see Jerry Hairston Jr here.
He’s played every position besides P and C, in 2008 he put up a .384 OBP and .487 SLG. Last year was lower than that… about .07 lower in both categories, but it would be interesting to see him play over here.
Whoever this player ends up being, he doesn't have to be great at anything
hell, he really doesn’t even have to be good. Just passable in the field, passable at the plate. A guy who plays ~ -5 defense at SS while being able to cover the other positions and can hit ~.265/.340/.400 would be perfectly fine
by seattlebruin on Jan 14, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
Wouldn' that almost make him better than our starting SS?
by Edgar for Pres on Jan 14, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Probably not, though it might be closer than I originally thought
by seattlebruin on Jan 14, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Alexei Ramirez
277/333/389 = -5 runs
+ 2.3 fielding = 2.2 WAR
If he was -5 runs fielding then he would be a 1.5 WAR player.
CHONE projects Jack Wilson to be a 1.5 WAR player (Fans say 1.8 WAR).
Just think its a funny example. If this sub we get is any good at defense at SS and can hit at all, Jack Wilson better watch his back.
by Edgar for Pres on Jan 14, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
+10 runs over less than a full season is reasonable
I wouldn’t want to project him for more than that.
by Edgar for Pres on Jan 14, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
No I think Willie would do best in the dead ball era
by Dewey N on Jan 13, 2010 11:23 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Ichiro would be a god
sans the whole non-white thing
by chrisisasavage on Jan 14, 2010 8:03 AM PST up reply actions
Except those guys
Had to pass for white (and Anglo) back then too. Heck, it was tough to make it even as a swarthy Italian.
by wandergeist on Jan 14, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Seems right
Not even worth the effort of a question mark or a rising tone at the end. Just a single word rolling to a dead stop without anything extra, like a Willie hit.
First try of humour gone wrong...
But think of all the grit and hustle and positions he can play, OK, I have more to learn
by aussie_chop on Jan 13, 2010 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not convinced that a Willie Bloomquist type player would be all that bad for this roster spot
but like Nathaniel Dawson pointed out, I sure as hell wouldn’t actually pay anything for it
by seattlebruin on Jan 14, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
Actually, he is in the mold of the player type that could help the M's out.
Not sure that I would want to pay him $1.7 MM and give up a player to get him, though.
by nathaniel dawson on Jan 13, 2010 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
He's the right "type" of player yeah
But he’s 33 and you probably can’t expect much better than replacement level performance from him going forward.
And somewhere in a bunker outside of Kansas City
Dayton Moore rubs his hands as he sees his master plan finally starting to come together…
by wandergeist on Jan 14, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Lies.
Jason Giambi was the toughest out in baseball in both 2000 and 2001.
by I Lick Squirrels on Jan 13, 2010 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah it's almost like having access to the most advanced training facilities, nutritionists, fitness experts and the kinds of resources that allow one to spend massive amounts of time working out might allow a person to craft quite the physique.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 13, 2010 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
Why just not ditch the 7th bullpen arm
Then go with with Baldelli/Garko and Amezaga/Hairston
I had this very discussion last night.
As much as I still am not happy with Kotchman being our 1B this year it is a nice feeling to be sitting here on January 14th and only be concerned with the 25th spot on our roster.
24th
I’m pretty sure they’ll also pick up another starter.
25th, since we have five starters even if they don't make a move
by seattlebruin on Jan 14, 2010 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
They also have a LF even if they don't make a move (Saunders)
We’re discussing what we think is likely, and I think it’s likely the team sees two spots they still want to fill: RH Utility and 3rd starter.
The fact that they have excellent depth at the back end of the rotation doesn’t mean it doesn’t make sense to go out and pick up someone better. Right now that 5th starter might be worth .5-1 wins, if we can pick up a 1.5-2.5 win starter that’s a significant improvement, and we’re at the point in the win curve where every additional win makes an even bigger difference. I’d be shocked if they didn’t try to upgrade the rotation.
by mebpenguin on Jan 14, 2010 9:10 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
From a semantics perspective, the utility player is the 25th man.
A SP would be somewhere around the 10th.
You do make a good point though, but I honestly have no clue where they go from here.
I am okay with a rotation of Felix, Lee, RRS, Snell and others but I also would love a #3 that pushes others into the bullpen and AAA.
I dunno, as it is the team is in trouble only in the event that two infielders (one of them being Wilson) are injured at the same time
which would be a problem for just about any team it seems. Of course they could get another Figgins on the cheap, but it seems like it’s too much hedging for something that is not really such a huge risk.
I mean, look, lets say that Wilson pulls a groin muscle and is day to day. He’s sat out four games and boom, Lopez goes down with a concussion from a head first slide. This is presumably the problem scenario, and it is admittedly a possibility though a remote one.
One solution is to burn a roster spot on a guy with sufficient versatility to play both IF and OF with the assumption that he will be average at best at any position and below average at the plate. You have insurance for this kind of situation, but you essentially lose the platoon advantage since the bat isn’t special and the defense is a big drop off.
On the other hand, you could go with a guy like Johnson or Thames or whoever, and in the unlikely event that two infielders are out simultaneously you 15 day DL the one with the more serious injury (perhaps retroactively cause why not) and activate Tuiasosopo, or Ackely, or whoever.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 14, 2010 9:58 AM PST reply actions
Didn't Tatis used to be the classic didn't-live-up-to-his-potential example?
He was really terrible 2001-2003. And then he disappeared for two seasons.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
He got off to a monster start in 2000, got hurt, played poorly, and then lost his job to Placido Polanco and then Albert Pujols.
My guess is that injuries had something to with it
How's Figgins at short?
Hannahan can then play third maybe? Or if Tui proves to be ready, he can fill in.
To answer your actual question, Figgins is below average at short
he’s probably not as good as Hannahan, but he’s not a disaster out there or anything
by seattlebruin on Jan 14, 2010 5:26 PM PST up reply actions

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