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Reflecting On The Event

First of all, I'd like to thank everybody who in some way contributed to my having a wonderful weekend. There are too many of you to name individually, but you guys should know who you are. Thank you to everyone who supported us and came out to the event. Thank you to everyone with whom I shared a meal, a drink, a meal and a drink, or an appetizer and several drinks. Thank you to my hosts. Thank you to my girlfriend. Thank you to every damn one of you that can tell a good story. Thank you to Dave for organizing this whole event and Matthew for finding the right location. Thank you to the people at Benaroya who accommodated a raucous crowd. Thank you to the impossibly patient waitress(es) at Elysian. Thank you to anyone I forgot. And, most of all, thank you to Jack Zduriencik, Tony Blengino, Jeff Kingston, Tom McNamara, and Randy Adamack for their facilitation and participation in an expo for nerds. Predominantly white, balding, male nerds. These are the weekends that make me think, man, I hope I never have to stop doing what I do.

Second of all, I'd like to apologize for being difficult to hear during the event. Dave and I had tested the acoustics on Friday and found them to be spectacular. As such, I imagined that, even if something I said wasn't picked up by the mic, it would still spread around the room. Apparently that didn't happen, and the back of the audience by and large found me incomprehensible. My mistake. Sitting on stage, it was impossible to hear much of anything, but I screwed up, and maybe next time someone could stand and yell "HEY QUIT SCREWING UP" at the beginning instead of waiting and making me feel bad afterwards. Whatever. Those of you seated towards the front were treated to the additional bonus of hearing what my awesome voice sounds like.

Now then, on to the actual event. I always get a kick out of how people respond to the off-the-record nature of these things. If you've never gone to one, you might be left with the idea that you're missing out on some super top secret information. That those of us listening in are getting tipped off as to what moves the team's going to make next. That's not how it goes. Nobody speaking is particularly interested in sharing anything private or juicy with a blog audience, and for this reason we generally don't even bother trying to ask questions about individual players or contract negotiations or whatever. I don't know any more about the state of the Felix situation now than I did last Friday. To expect these events to feature free and revealing dialogue is to be unreasonable.

They're off-the-record to make these things feel more intimate and casual. With the current setup, Mariner executives are given very little time to prepare their responses to questions. It wouldn't be fair to reproduce their words for public consumption. And the truth of the matter is that they will say some things that they wouldn't tell a larger audience. It's just that these things are jokes, or anecdotes, or little hints at philosophy. Come on. They know who we are. They know they can't say anything that might get them in trouble. Going off-the-record just allows them to speak more freely. What makes these events enjoyable isn't that we're treated to a truckload of inside info; what makes them enjoyable is that we get to directly engage our front office in conversation, and in so doing get to know them better as people and hear some wonderful stories along the way. I had a blast on Saturday, and I had a blast because Jeff, Tom, Tony, and Jack are just awesome people to talk to.

Still, I know those of you who couldn't make it want to hear a little something about what went on. And to that end, I'll say that, after listening to every response to every question (except for that one I missed while I was in the can), I came away thinking one thing:

We don't give enough credit to the front office.

Now, I don't mean that in the sense that we aren't kind enough. We give plenty of credit to the front office. More than pretty much any other fanbase in baseball, I bet. But when we give credit to the front office, we generally give credit to Z, instead of acknowledging every single member of the organization involved in the decision-making process. I think half the answers during the panel began with something like "well we're four guys up here, and we'll usually have four different opinions." Jack (who did most of the talking) made a point of emphasizing just how many people are involved in any decision the team makes. And I think we could all do a better job of recognizing that.

Don't get me wrong - Z is amazing, and as the ultimate authority as far as the roster is concerned, he deserves the bulk of the praise (and, on rare occasion, the criticism). But Z doesn't make decisions on his own. He's not the guy who says "I want Lee" and then makes it happen. Zduriencik had something to say. Blengino had something to say. Kingston had something to say. McNamara had something to say. Grifol had something to say. Fusco had something to say. A whole host of other people had something to say. It was not Z who made the Lee trade happen on Seattle's end - it was the sum of the input from a ton of guys in the front office. And for that reason, we should try to move away from praising the individual and more towards praising the group. Jack Zduriencik is in charge of the Mariner roster, but Jack Zduriencik is aided by a support staff finer than most any other in the league.

GMs get all the attention, but GMs, like managers, will get too much praise when something goes right, and too much criticism when something goes wrong. This is why I'm beginning to change my opinion of Dayton Moore. It's not that I think Moore is fabulous at what he does or anything. That certainly isn't the case. But it's not just Moore. If Kansas City's front office operates anything like Seattle's does - and I doubt any front office out there is an absolute monarchy - then it would appear that Moore is surrounded by clods. I don't know which of these names those clods might be, but there are clods in there, and it is those clods that, as a group, are steering the Royals in the wrong direction. It's not Moore that thinks it's a good idea to sign Jason Kendall. It's Moore's front office that thinks it's a good idea to sign Jason Kendall.

Now, the counter to this is that it's Moore's own fault if he's surrounded by idiots. And this is true. Most of the time, GMs are responsible for building their support staffs, and it seems like Moore screwed up, while Zduriencik hit a home run. For this exercise, you are free to focus primarily on the man at the top. Jack Zduriencik deserves all the credit in the world for surrounding himself with terrific people and terrific baseball minds that can, as a group, help move the organization towards a title.

But that's where I feel the individual praise should stop. I like Jack Zduriencik. I like him a lot. But I love love love the Seattle Mariner front office, and everybody involved therein, from the floor to the ceiling. It is the front office as a collective that has so dramatically turned the organization around, and though Jack is deserving of so many of our accolades, focusing on him I feel does everybody else an injustice.

Forget individual names. It's this front office - this entire front office - that ranks among the best in the game.

Star-divide

The weekend's one lowlight - criticism from one Steve C. about our public speaking. It seems Steve C. thoroughly enjoyed the second half of the panel, but found the first half to be a "waste of [his] time and money." Steve C. was offered a complete refund, which he instantly accepted. Steve C., I hope you enjoyed the event, because you're never attending another. You're a dick.

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I really would like to have been a fly on the wall

When Jack hung up the phone, or waved them into his office while he was on the phone with Ruben, or whatever happened. Somebody at some point must’ve thought he was getting his leg pulled.
“Cliff Lee. The Phillies’ Cliff Lee? THE Cliff Lee?”

by wandergeist on Jan 12, 2010 11:01 PM PST up reply actions  

He asked for a refund of $10?

I didn’t know we could do that. I think I’ll ask for a refund of my entire meal at a restaurant because the dessert was a little cold. I need a refund on my cable bill too because I watched a shitty episode of the Lost.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jan 12, 2010 10:56 PM PST reply actions  

Well, in the future

If this becomes the template — about an hour of blog-related business / BSing, followed by the main event — perhaps this can be laid out ahead of time so that people’s expectations are set appropriately (and they can skip the blog part if they so choose).

by wandergeist on Jan 12, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Or maybe...

It was $10 and the guy should pull the cucumber out of his anus and live with it. It’s $10. I wiped my ass with $10 when I ran out of toilet paper.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jan 12, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions   4 recs

It's a recession

Not everybody’s rich. $10 is more than a meal for somebody. I can remember when I would fill my car up $5 at a time (granted, gas was about $1/gal then).

Which still doesn’t mean it wasn’t kind of a jackass move (and more than a little). I mean, $10 is a movie ticket. There are a lot of crappy movies out there. Does he demand his money back from those, too?

by wandergeist on Jan 12, 2010 11:05 PM PST up reply actions  

It's $10.

If the guy makes 10,000 a YEAR, that represents 0.1% of his income. It’s $10. What a dildo. I hope he gets scabies on his scrotum.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jan 12, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions   5 recs

I think the point trying to be made is that this is equivalent, in some people's minds,

to demanding a refund for the movie ticket because you didn’t like any of the previews.

We never sold it as a Q&A with the bloggers. We threw that in for free because we’re funny and awesome and you should all be amazed by how funny and awesome we are. You get an amazing amount of Q&A with the bloggers, for free, every day, on these blogs.

by Matthew on Jan 12, 2010 11:11 PM PST up reply actions   4 recs

I would have, chief.

But I didn’t because then people would know who I am, and that creeps me out.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jan 12, 2010 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Wiping one's ass with circulated currency is unsanitary

and can result in hemorrhoids, sepsis, dysentery, sickle-cell anemia, rolfing, dogface, morbid hysterical pregancy, socialism, etc.

by lemonverbena on Jan 13, 2010 7:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Morbid hysterical pregnancy is underrated.

Try it some time, it’s mind blowing.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jan 13, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

To clarify, it wasn't the format that was the problem.

It was that we didn’t call on enough hands from the very back, which is probably true and that some of the talking was hard to make out. I don’t know how many people have stage experience, but it’s rather difficult to see 50 rows back with lights shining in your eyes.

I don’t want it to seem like I’m super pissed about this, to be clear. The refund came out of us covering the costs of the venue, not any mythical profit that we supposedly see from these. It’s just that I would be more sympathetic to a complaint on having to listen to us for an hour. I’m less sympathetic to a complaint that we didn’t see your hand raised and that Dave talks fast.

by Matthew on Jan 12, 2010 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

For my part, I have no sympathy for the guy at all

I’ve been preaching full-time for seven years, and in some capacity for over a decade, and I still talk too fast; anybody who thinks public speaking is so easy that they have the right to criticize you guys either has never done it and has no idea what they’re talking about, or else has been doing it so long that they’ve forgotten what it was like starting out. It’s a hard gig even if you know what you’re doing, and if it isn’t something you do very often, it can be brutal. Especially if you have the big lights shining in your eyes—I don’t know if it’s the limbic system or what, but those lights do something to the brain that’s really difficult to learn to deal with. Whether it’s arrogant ignorance or just plain arrogance, this guy’s expectations are way out of whack with the reasonable, and I don’t think he deserves any slack at all for his attitude.

by The Ancient Mariner on Jan 13, 2010 6:53 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I ramble, babble, and mumble

And that’s during business meetings. My Boss refers to me as Mr. E=mc^2 because of it. But I actually unjoy speaking in front of people.

A good trick is to start a speech off with something completely unexpected. It catches the audience off guard (which helps you feel better about any anxiety) and it gets their attention focused on you.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 13, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, in fairness

Dave’s event writeup said “We’ve done enough of these now where I think you guys have a pretty good idea of what they are.” and that it was a “Q&A with local bloggers and members of the Mariners front office”… and no one asked. Sure, he could have published a detailed agenda ahead of time, but he also did lay out the schedule at the start, so if you wanted to leave for an hour, there was that chance.

by DMZ on Jan 13, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't care how broke you are, that's maddening.

If $10 is that important to you, maybe you should consider, I don’t know, not spending on it a fucking baseball discussion?

by Teej on Jan 12, 2010 11:22 PM PST up reply actions   8 recs

Exactly.

A Few Hail Zduriencik!

by Goose on Jan 12, 2010 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Ya

That’s a good point. If you thought you could spend a Jackson on a baseball talk, you’re not so broke that you need it back. Or you’re an idiot, and that $10 is the least of your problems.

by wandergeist on Jan 12, 2010 11:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong; a customer is entitled to voice his disappointments.

But this all reminds me of when I was 5 or so and my mom demanded a refund from the video store after she rented “Born on the Fourth of July” for family movie night. I think that’s bullshit. You saw that it was rated R and had a shit-ton of nudity. If you didn’t, that’s on you. Plus, come on, let me see some boobs, Mom.

A movie rental is an agreement — and the customer must acknowledge that he is taking a gamble. That’s the whole point. Sometimes you’re disappointed; sometimes you’re elated. But I don’t think you’re not entitled to your money back if you picked the wrong movie or it wasn’t everything you hoped it would be.

I think the same contract goes for any public performances — whether it be a play, a poetry jam or a baseball discussion. You pay for the right to see what happens.

by Teej on Jan 12, 2010 11:51 PM PST up reply actions  

But this wasn't even a typical customer experience.

Sort of non-profit collaboration provided at the lowest possible cost. It would be akin to trying to return an item you won at a charity auction because it wasn’t as valuable as you paid.

by hcoguy on Jan 12, 2010 11:57 PM PST up reply actions  

This is the evolution of consumer society.

The consumers have learned that they have more control over your busines than businesses do. The days are gone where you could just throw someone out who was being demanding or rude about their experience. Faster communication means that they can tell half the world that your business sucks. The proliferation of frivelous lawsuits has allowed individuals to sue for anything they want. Businesses have gone on the defensive, and a lot of them just give in instead of fighting it out. It’s a catch-22. Either you fight it out and look discompassionate or arrogant or you settle and look guilty.

I work in the hotel industry. Customer service requirements are at an all time high. Customer expectations have become absurd. Non-pin drop quietness in a hotel full of people has become a refund worthy offense. Paranoia over hotel cleaning standards (Thanks 20/20, Dateline, or whomever the fuck exposed a couple of lax hotels) has led to everything being scrutinized whether it is actually a problem or not. Everyday I have to deal with someone who had one bad experience with something, no matter how minor. And if they’re in with a group or a convention, the entire party will complain about the same thing, even if they never had that experience.

It’s hell sometimes.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 13, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

This is something I just don't understand.

If I have a bad experience with a business, I don’t patron it again.

by hcoguy on Jan 13, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

It really is a dilemma.

I’d prefer that someone not come up and verbally berate me because they couldn’t get their shower hotter than 120 degrees F. Like I want to be yelled at while I’m working. On the other hand, if someone has a legit problem and I don’t know about it, chances are it wont be fixed for the next guest either, so I’ll have two potential lost guests instead of one.

My preferrence is for pro-active fixing of problems by keeping proper maintenance and inspections of our product, but something always fucking happens.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 13, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Tell me about it.

I now have a totally blown image of the average teenage girl thanks to working in the hotel industry.

Everybody thinks young men are slobs, and they are. They’re just apathetic clods. Young women, on the other hand, are thorough.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 13, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate having to call about anything and getting reps that assume I'm just trying to get a free XXXX.

The way a lot of people act puts reps on the defensive, and it’s hard to just get the things I ask for.

No, I don’t need your manager for you to remake my burger without cheese, because I don’t care about a refund or a free dessert. No, I don’t need 10 minutes of apologies and a business card for the manager on duty for not having towels in my room, just give me a stack of towels and let me go back up.

Assholes have ruined everything for everyone.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 13, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Being gunshy is a problem with some agents I've had.

I, myself, have realized after-the-fact that I’ve been gunshy on a couple of ocassions as well. It’s a terrible approach to take, but sometimes you just do it. The best one is to listen, reiterate the guest complaint, and then take action after making a decision.

Most of the time, if you get someone like that, Faux, it’s an agent who hasn’t been trained properly or hasn’t been empowered to do whatever is necessary for the guest. Agents who aren’t sure what they can or can’t do often will waffle and get defensive.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 13, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

LARM works for this and many other situations

Listen to the person
Acknowledge that you are following along (verbally/nonverbally)
Rephrase what they have said, briefly
Make a statement (what action you are taking)

by lemonverbena on Jan 13, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Acronym. Love it.

I’ll shamelessly steal it, if you don’t mind.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 13, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

This one I have heard. I don't use it because all my agents are also CPR / first aid certified.

And most of them are young. Don’t want to confuse the little tykes.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 13, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Believe it or not...

There is an interpersonal confidence tactic in which you basically keep insulting and belittling the person in front of you in your mind.

It also works.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 13, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I seem to recall

A “This American Life” bit where they were looking at research that showed waitresses who were ruder got bigger tips.

by wandergeist on Jan 14, 2010 1:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I think there's a difference there.

There’s “rude” and then there’s “truck stop saucy”.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 14, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Without going all LLLJ on everyone,

Giving this to my boss will fulfill all my brown-nosing for at least a month.

by hcoguy on Jan 13, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions  

This is why I loved working at Starbucks in High School

Orders were screwed up enough that people rarely cared and were polite when asking for a change. Those that did care tended to be assholes and we’d just throw in Decaf and serve them with a smile.

by MT Olson on Jan 13, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

This is no joke.

I have a friend in your industry that deals with crap like that daily. He’s a chief engineer at a 4 star hotel and the stories he tells. Just wow.

by ToddK on Jan 13, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll believe it.

Ours is only a three star. I can’t imagine what four star clients demand.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 13, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Honestly, I'd like to give it a shot.

Just for the experience. Successful managers in bigger hotels tend to get other bigger hotel offers and more moolah.

Not that I’m not happy where I am. The clients here are mostly friendly (lots of engineers) and good to talk to.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 13, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

No no. Front desk manager / director of rooms.

I’m the front line kiss ass.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 13, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice,

Tell these fine folks what kind of stuff these people tend to forget in their rooms. Heh

by ToddK on Jan 13, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Everything.

From something simple like a toothbrush to children. I used to laugh at people for leaving behind cell phone chargers. I thought “what fool would forget that?”….

Then I forgot mine at one of our franchise properties on vacation. Ah life.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 13, 2010 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

It's extremely common and re-claiming is rare.

Protip for everybody: If you ever need a cell phone charger, swing by a hotel and ask if they have one that matches your phone. Most of the time, they’ll just let you have it.

Most places have a policy that after x number of days, usually a month, whatever is in L&F is free game. They’ll typically give it away just to free up space.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 14, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I wasn't going to delve too deeply into the sex related material left behind.

But sure, why not. Humorous story:

So we found a particular vibrator which is one of those egg shaped deals with the corded controller. Well, at first… I shit you not… none of the housekeepers nor my manager at the time could figure out what the hell it was. Finally, one of them piped up and said it was an MP3 player. She demonstrated the use of it by putting one end to her ear and hitting the switch. After everybody was done freaking out about a vibrating MP3 player, I was finally consulted as to what the thing was. Needless to say the poor “MP3” girl was mortified for weeks. I dont’ remember what we ended up doing with that. Threw it away probably.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 14, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I stayed in a four star all-suite hotel for over a month in LV.

The maid refused to believe that all I wanted was an extra stack of towels and for her to stop in every 3rd or 4th day to change the sheets and vacuum. I heard her conversation with the guy next door, who wanted turndown service and fresh sheets nightly, and a bath drawn every night at 8PM. She said he wasn’t bad comparatively.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 13, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you honestly want to know what it's like to welcome back an alleged pedophile?

Let’s just say that I’m a master at making you feel welcome, you sick fuck.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 13, 2010 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Three star hotels see 'em all.

The best of society and the worst of society. I’ve chatted with Secretaries of State, self made millionaires, Seahawks practice squad folks, elite baseball prospects playing for a local single A affiliate, nuclear engineers and scientists, and someone from just about every country on the planet. I’ve also chatted with drug addicts, prostitutes, social misfits, schizophrenics, criminals of all kinds, and someone from just about every country on the planet.

And as a hotel industry manager, may I please beg the world that if you’re going to leave your room at 3 in the morning to go “get ice from the ice machine” 100 feet down the hall from your room, either:

A). Remember your room key or…
B). Wear clothes.

Preferably both.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 13, 2010 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Andrew Jackon is on the 20.

Alexander Hamilton is on the 10.

by Vatinius on Jan 12, 2010 11:56 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

He might've been if he hadn't been shot.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jan 13, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh here we go again. Someone blaming Aaron Burr.

Can’t we just let it GO already?

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 13, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

My girlfriend saw a coat there that was thirty bucks more than the price at Macy's.

She told them the price it was at Macy’s and they gave her the coat at that price. No other questions asked and no confirmation necessary.

CougCenter WSU's second main blog

by Craig Powers on Jan 13, 2010 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

That's what they're trained to do

and it’s not the fake-nice you get in a lot of stores, either, it’s genuine. Nordstrom gets lost in the shuffle in these customers-are-special-cupcakes days, but they’ve been like that since the 50’s and it’s awesome.

by pdb on Jan 13, 2010 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I was in the last row

And I was able to make out almost all of what you said. I needled you a little in the other comment thread but it wasn’t that bad. You sounded more timid/scared than unintelligible, which would’ve been kind of endearing… if this had been a school play or something. I thought about yelling something about speaking up, but I was afraid I’d spook you off the stage altogether.

by wandergeist on Jan 12, 2010 10:56 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, no, I'm just a mumbler

Was my natural response to my brother shouting all the time.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 12, 2010 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

LLFB?

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 13, 2010 4:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow, some people

…have no class. I can understand being disappointed the Mariners guys only had the floor for 90 minutes not most of 3 hours (I confess, I was). But not thinking that putting $10-15 in your pockets for all that you and USSM guys do for free was worthwhile anyway. Grrr.

Heck, I’d pay the same price even without the Mariners front office guys just to hang out with hard core Ms fans for a couple of hours.

I hoped you guys banned Steve C from posting on both sites as well.

by AdamSt on Jan 12, 2010 11:04 PM PST reply actions  

Steve C. doesn't have an account here

As far as the admission revenue, almost all of that went to covering the cost of renting the room. Dave and I were also able to fly in for free, but that’s about it.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 12, 2010 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

The waitress at Elysian was excellent

She never stopped smiling, even when we were all acting like retards about paying the tab

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Jan 12, 2010 11:07 PM PST reply actions  

You and me both.

Marc and I just ended up wandering off to some bar in the market.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jan 13, 2010 12:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Cool.

Maybe during the summer event I’ll finally get to properly drink with the LL folk. Depending on when it is and if I’m here…

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jan 13, 2010 1:36 AM PST up reply actions  

As someone who missed the event

I’m kinda glad that nothing overly juicy was revealed. The way some people were all ‘hush, hush’ was making me wreck my brain with possibilities as to what was said (I mean, they just traded for Cliff Lee. The FO can pull just about anything outta their collective hat at this point) I feel a bit better now as I can guess with some certainty as to what was said.

It sounded like a blast and hopefully I’ll be able to attend next year.

by IceStormV1 on Jan 12, 2010 11:28 PM PST reply actions  

If I can praise one guy in the M's front office personally who is not Z for a second,

I want to spread some love to Tony Blengino. After the event last year I got the opportunity to interview with the Mariners to help out in the advance scouting department because he forwarded on my resume. While I didn’t make it, the experience was surreal, fun, and I don’t think I’ll ever forget it. Also, from how I’ve seen him talk at this event and the one last winter, he seems to have a lot of somewhat goofy energy that makes him endearing.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jan 12, 2010 11:29 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

I love that guy,

His Stat of the Week segment on the Hot Stove show each Wednesday makes for some fine radio fun.

by msb on Jan 12, 2010 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep. He's easily me favorite member of the FO personality wise.

Though after Saturday, Jack Z is a close 2nd.

A Few Hail Zduriencik!

by Goose on Jan 12, 2010 11:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I dig Fusco's story-telling.

Like ’em all really, but that was the one thing I missed on this panel.

by Omerta on Jan 13, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

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I don’t know which of these names those clods might be

My vote is for Lora Grosshans (Senior Director – Publicity). She needs to be doing a better job of helping the lowly denizens of internet fan clubs understand the brilliance behind the Front Office’s moves.

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by seattlecougar on Jan 13, 2010 12:02 AM PST reply actions  

One refund is not bad and you shouldn't get too wound up about it.

It is a reality when doing business and should be expected. In fact the general dearth of refund requests should be seen as a sign of how great these events are and the good work you all do putting them together.

by Sec 108 on Jan 13, 2010 8:03 AM PST reply actions  

I would agree with this

Yes, the refund request was weird and petty, but it’s pretty astounding that there was apparently only one such episode out of a crowd of ~500 people. I think that says a lot both about the quality of the event and the enthusiasm of the audience.

by Chris Hafner on Jan 13, 2010 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

This wasn't 500 random idiots, though

It wasn’t a representative sample of the population as a whole (in 500 of which, yeah, I’d expect all sorts of unfortunate things). It should have been a little better than that.

by wandergeist on Jan 13, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe...

But as someone who couldn’t go (and I’m sure I’m not the only one) due to tickets selling out (work, etc); I find it particularly annoying. Maybe it’s illogical, but it feels as if someone that didn’t deserve to go – someone who’s not a real fan – managed to get in, while a lot of real fans were not able to; and then has the gall to pull this asshattery? It chaps my hide.

by Kunkoh on Jan 13, 2010 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm fairly confidant that Stevie C. was one of the dudes seated behind me

not the guy next to him who was snoring, but the other one who would not stop talking about how lame the blogger panel was. Apparently his main gripe (repeated over and over again and to no one in particular as his companion was sleeping half the time) was that most of the questions weren’t baseball related. At one point I considered turning around and asking him to shut up, he was getting that annoying, but then we took our break and when we came back he mercifully remained silent.

Oh and he did indeed at one point say “what a bunch of nerds,” despite obviously having no initial objection to attending a blogger-hosted panel. Sweet irony!

by Omerta on Jan 13, 2010 10:11 AM PST reply actions  

What a dick

Ten bucks says this is the guy who wanted the refund.

by OlSalty on Jan 13, 2010 10:47 AM PST reply actions  

Yikes.

Somehow I missed that exchange the first time around.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 13, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Although Steve C. clearly sucks as a human being

It’s probably not the best idea to call him out and then list his (presumed actual) first name and last initial. I’m not saying he didn’t pull a dick move by accepting a full refund for an event that 99.7% of the other viewers thoroughly enjoyed, but I don’t think it’s responsible to call him out, prompting legions of LLers to do so as well.

by .Taylor on Jan 13, 2010 1:34 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think that reflects very well on you.

Please do not get me wrong - I respect you immensely and I’m sure you know this, but that’s just not very mature. Did Steve C. complain publicly to you or privately? If it was public, he deserves to be mocked. But if he privately expressed his distaste, then it seems unnecessarily mean to instigate an Anti-Steve thread.

by .Taylor on Jan 13, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it's a valid opinion to hold.

And you’re right to stick to your guns on it, IMO. But statements about “majority opinion” won’t help your case. Just say your piece and let it go.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 13, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't see that big of an issue.

Open up a phone book and go to the Cs. Then start looking for Steve. I guarantee that you’ll find more than a dozen on the first page. It’s not like Jeff gave out his full name and/or address that the tickets were shipped to.

The guy is in no danger of being found, and it lets him know that you don’t get to be retarded without some repercussions, even if it is just temporary notoriety on a blog.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 13, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait, do phone books even exist anymore?

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 13, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I never even had one of those, I grew up late enough to use a cell phone.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 13, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you old?

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 13, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Or just nostalgic?

I still use a typewriter on occasion.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 13, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

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