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New Year's First Rumor Thread!


I figured it was time to once again call in a new Rumor/News Thread; the old one seems dead. There is some interesting news going around the MLB, like Damon's continually diminishing value.

Star-divide

GMZ provided M's fans with a late Xmas/New Years gift with the extension of Franklin Gutierrez, keeping the stellar defensive center fielder with the Mariners for another 4 years at a bargain price of $20.5 Million.

In the past couple of weeks, we've also seen Adrian Beltre sign with the dreaded Red Sox, and Casey Kotchman swap coasts in the process (Geoff Baker Link). While we are all sad to see Beltre go (especially Red--we all feel your loss!), it was long assumed since the Mariners offered him arbitration that he would sign with the Red Sox for a shot at a World Series title.

But alas, there is no shortage of action during the off-season. In the past three days we've seen the Reds ink star Cuban Aroldis Chapman. Dayton Moore has once again pierced through the hearts of Kansas City fans with the signing of Scott Podsednik, and Brian Sabean pulls out another veteran signing from his bag of predictable tricks by signing Aubrey Huff.

 

Rumor has it that the Cubs are going after Ben Sheets. So the question becomes, does Z want Sheets as well?

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Marlins agree to spend more money.

Interesting… their system isn’t as stacked as it’s been in the past right now, so increasing payroll might be the only way to stay competitive in the near future.

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by lailaihei on Jan 12, 2010 11:51 AM PST reply actions  

Once they get their new stadium in a couple of years, their payroll should go up anyways.

So this will probably be moot.

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by Fin on Jan 12, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Pirates hoarding relievers

Working to sign Carrasco, Dotel

Only mention this because I’m surprised Carrasco only gets a minor league deal. May have been a mopup type but a 3.46 FIP ain’t bad. With the market for relievers, maybe the M’s could pick up someone like Calero on the cheap.

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by Fuckmikereilly on Jan 12, 2010 11:32 PM PST reply actions  

Hey!

We re-signed Brad Nelson! Woo! World Series!

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by Coach Owens on Jan 13, 2010 11:12 AM PST reply actions  

Branyan article

Pretty much closes the book (if Kotchman hadn’t already).

Classy guy, and I hope he finds a home outside of Pitt/KC/DC.

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by Fuckmikereilly on Jan 13, 2010 11:25 AM PST reply actions  

Hindsight.

I don’t blame him for wanting more security but feel bad he gambled and potentially screwed himself.

by wazzu93 on Jan 13, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

This may happen with Jack sometimes.

He just puts an offer on the table and waits.

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by JY on Jan 13, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

another rumor is that the A's may be looking to trade Scott Hairston

Mets and Molina are closer to deal
Nationals are trying to sign Orlando Hudson

by MJ5 on Jan 13, 2010 5:02 PM PST reply actions  

I would take Hairston as our RHB 4th OF

as long as he was easily aquired for little or no value.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 13, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Hairston's a starter

and young, cheap, under team control. The A’s just traded for him last summer. He won’t be cheap in my book. I’m interested to see the source for the Hairston rumor.

Don’t care about Molina, still wish we could sign Hudson but it makes little sense.

FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Fuckmikereilly on Jan 13, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually

The A’s had Hairston, Davis, Sweeney, and then went and signed Crisp. Who is worse than all 3. But I guess that means Hairston is expendable.

Does anyone still think Billy Beane is smart?

FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Fuckmikereilly on Jan 13, 2010 6:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't really understand how they got better by signing Crisp

Unless they trade one of the other OF they have. I agree, its a weird move.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 13, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Isn't Hairston a FA?

I thought he signed a 1-year contract before the 2009 season.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 14, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

So Eric Bedard is still a free agent

Any chance Seattle could sign him to a one year, low base salary, incentive laden deal? Or maybe even a minor league deal (le sigh…).

Base Salary: League Minimum
I would imagine incentives would go like this:
Pitch at least 100 innings…………………$500,000
Pitch at least 150 innings…………………$1,000,000
Pitch at least 200 innings…………………$2,000,000
Pitch in the 6th inning in a game….$1,000,000
Pitch a complete game…………………….$3,000,000
Match your 2007 SO total…………………$4,000,000
Do not get injured…………………………….$5,000,000
Have Seattle forget how shitty of a trade it was to acquire you………$10,000,000

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by Fin on Jan 13, 2010 8:57 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Diamondbacks just signed Adam LaRoche

…maybe that makes Conor Jackson available for OF/1B?

by ManifestDestiny on Jan 14, 2010 6:56 AM PST reply actions  

Well at least they've followed up the horrific move with 2 pretty decent moves.

$4-$5M for 1 year. Neato.

And I’d say Chris Young would be the outfielder that would be more available if anything. I would guess Arizona is going into 2010 with an outfield of Upton-Parra-Jackson.

A Few Hail Zduriencik!

by Goose on Jan 14, 2010 8:59 AM PST up reply actions  

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES
A source told Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic that the Diamondbacks are “leaning toward” releasing outfielder Eric Byrnes.

A spot on the D’Backs’ 40-man roster needs to be cleared for first baseman Adam LaRoche, who signed a one-year deal Thursday afternoon. Byrnes hit just .226 with a .270 on-base percentage last season and is entering the final season of a three-year, $30 million contract. Most of his struggles can be related to fluke injuries but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s no longer an adequate everyday outfielder.

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by Goose on Jan 14, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

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PHOENIX – Two people in the Diamondbacks front office tell 3TV’s Brad Cesmat that outfielder Eric Byrnes will be paid $11 million dollars in the buyout that should happen in the next 24hrs.

Link

As much as I hated Cirillo and Player A while they were Mariners, Byrnes was worse than both of them combined, in every sense. And he was paid $30M to do it.

Fuck you Eric Byrnes. I hope you never get another job in baseball again. Good riddance you piece of shit.

A Few Hail Zduriencik!

by Goose on Jan 14, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh god no.

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by Goose on Jan 14, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't see him as a bad option.

For league minimum, he can provide a few things we could use. Right-handed hitter that can play all three outfield positions, good pinch runner, would probably do well enough hitting against left-handers. I suppose it would be nice if he could play 1B or the infield. That would certainly make him more useful.

by nathaniel dawson on Jan 14, 2010 5:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I have 1000 irrational answers to this, but instead I'll give you the one rational answer as to why Byrnes wouldn't be a fit.

Whoever fills the role of right handed outfielder is gonna have to no mind being on the bench once in a while. And one of the reasons I hate Eric Byrnes so much is that he flipped his shit when the team benched him.

So I don’t think he’d accept that role here.

A Few Hail Zduriencik!

by Goose on Jan 14, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

He's worse than most of the options out there

Good defense at the corners most likely, but little value beyond that.

FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Fuckmikereilly on Jan 14, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I would so much rather have LaRoache at that price than Kotchman

assuming we don’t do anything else with the remaining $$$

by Poochie on Jan 14, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Me too but he priced himself out of our market for too long and it was too risky to wait

In hindsight we could’ve had him for a bargain but he wasn’t really an option until he rejected the Giants offer and the market for him collapsed.

by OlSalty on Jan 14, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Sheets reportedly throwing for some teams, including Ms

Via Tim K’s article:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove09/columns/story?columnist=kurkjian_tim&id=4824942

Most interesting parts for me is how he mentions watching Branyan in Seattle and Tim mentions his familiarity with Jack Z. It sure would be nice, but I wonder how much money the M’s have left to spend on a pitcher?

by jtopps on Jan 14, 2010 10:48 AM PST reply actions  

Valverde-->Tigers
Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports reports that reliever Jose Valverde has signed a two-year, $14 million contract with the Tigers.
The new contract reportedly includes an option for a third year at $9 million. The Tigers considered going with some combination of Joel Zumaya, Ryan Perry and Daniel Schlereth in the closer role, but they actually upgrade bigtime from Fernando Rodney here. Likewise, Valverde actually managed to do quite well for himself, given that the Tigers were the only realistic possibility for him to close. Because Valverde was a Type A free agent, the Tigers will surrender their first-round pick (19th).

A Few Hail Zduriencik!

by Goose on Jan 14, 2010 1:56 PM PST reply actions  

Ahahahaha

So what was the reason for dumping Granderson again?

by OlSalty on Jan 14, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Disgusting.

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by gregrabble on Jan 14, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Curtis Granderson is owed 5.5mil this year and 8.25mil next year

In other words, less than Jose Valverde is being paid. Curtis Granderson is a 3.5-4 WAR player. Jose Valverde is a ~1 WAR player.

I guess if they’re trying to save money 3 years from now….

by OlSalty on Jan 14, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

The stupid, it burns.

Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?

by Benne on Jan 15, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

This kind of thing makes me think the FO is right to drag their feet a little with Felix.

If there’s to be a readjustment in the player market, now is not the best time to be locking up a player for half a decade (I’m looking at you, St. Louis).

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 14, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Probably

Johnson gave the Marlins a huge hometown discount (and they still had the balls to try to lowball him on that even by originally refusing to give him 4 years). I don’t think Felix is planning on giving us the same courtesy.

by OlSalty on Jan 14, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

5/80 would be more realistic

Felix is a lot better than Josh Johnson, and his final two arb years are going to be worth something in line with his market value, which is probably like $20M/per

by seattlebruin on Jan 14, 2010 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, it might mean it's a great time to lock him up to an extension.

Prices seem cheap this offseason, and if one were to believe the economy is going to rebound in the next 2-3 years, the M’s might be able to secure more of a below-market deal for Felix.

Maybe that’s what you meant by dragging their feet — waiting until Felix and his agent come down to terms more acceptable for the team.

by nathaniel dawson on Jan 14, 2010 5:31 PM PST reply actions  

I guess it pushes Chavez to DH

where hopefully he can stay healthy. And they didn’t need Hairston. I think I like it for the A’s.

FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Fuckmikereilly on Jan 15, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Uhh

Explain?

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by Fuckmikereilly on Jan 15, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Kouze is not nearly the defender that Hannah is

has a poor eye but good contact skills and above average power. He’s also a righty. So they’re pretty different.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 15, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

This makes no sense

I know we aren’t suppose to doubt Beane’s genius but I’m doubting the shit out of this one.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 15, 2010 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess

Looking at it I really only liked it because they had an outfield surplus and traded it for a decent young 3B, but then again they could have not signed Crisp, kept Hairston (and Cunningham) and signed someone like Crede.

So maybe I don’t like this trade for the A’s. Or just their offseason in general.

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by Fuckmikereilly on Jan 15, 2010 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah there is a surplus of 3B on the FA market this year

They probably could have gotten Lowell for free from Boston.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 15, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Perfect

as far as I’m concerned. Give the buyers market a chance to reconfigure expectations a little…

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 15, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like the FO knows what they're doing

I feel really relieved that the FO is making a full effort in trying to extend Felix. Based on this newfound knowledge and the history of the FO’s decision-making, I feel very comfortable that the optimum result will happen.

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by perfectstrat on Jan 15, 2010 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh dear.
BrockandSalk Sketchy reports out that the Mariners are close to a deal with Jarrod Washburn. Bleacher Report crediting ESPN rumors. Trying to confirm.

by BrianL on Jan 17, 2010 7:11 PM PST reply actions  

Well now Brock has found the source and is backtracking a bit.
BrockandSalk “Sketchy reports” on Washburn are based on http://is.gd/6u8G4 where Cafardo says the M’s have “re-engaged.” How is that “close?” #internet

by BrianL on Jan 17, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

From that article:
2. Jarrod Washburn, LHP, free agent – He had knee surgery after his horrible tenure in Detroit, where the feeling was that his mechanics were disrupted by the problem in that joint. While the pitchers still on the market are looking toward Randy Wolf’s three-year, $30 million deal with Milwaukee, it doesn’t appear that they’ll find that kind of commitment out there. The Mariners, one of the most active teams in free agency, have re-engaged on Washburn, but he may head to the National League. The Brewers could have interest in the Wisconsin native.

Doesn’t sound like anything to me.

A Few Hail Zduriencik!

by Goose on Jan 17, 2010 7:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope.

Also, I don’t think I’m ever going to get used to citing Twitter.

by BrianL on Jan 17, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

French looked pretty bad

I don’t want to say Washburn is good but he’d be worth a couple million I think.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 17, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions  

A Question and a Proclamation that doesn't warrant a new fanpost

Would Ty Wiggington work as the utility guy the M’s need? He plays the right side of the infield to complement Hannahan on the right, and also has considerable time in the outfield. I know he’s not great value ($3.5 due in final year of contract), but as a safety net for multiple positions we could do worse. I also do not believe in the negative WAR value he posted last year. All of the predictions have him bouncing back from an uncharacteristically bad outing last year, and he would improve upon his UZR from last year if acquired, as he would play much easier defensive positions (LF, 2B, 1B) as opposed to 3B. That’s pretty much the logic for acquiring him. Now someone tell me why the Mariners shouldn’t.

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by perfectstrat on Jan 17, 2010 8:54 PM PST reply actions  

A year ago it might've been a decent option

Now, I dunno. His defense is below average and his bat fell off a cliff for some reason last year. Probably won’t be as bad as he was but I think we could do better.

by OlSalty on Jan 17, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Ideally

we would have had Jerry Hairston Jr., but that ship has sailed.

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by perfectstrat on Jan 17, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Has anyone heard if we will be sending anyone to watch Sheets tomorrow?

Haven’t seen any definitive word, but then again, I haven’t looked all that hard.

by seattlesundevil on Jan 18, 2010 10:10 AM PST reply actions  

I would bet my life savings on yes

even if I had any life savings.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 18, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

FELIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by perfectstrat on Jan 18, 2010 11:15 PM PST reply actions  

Ankiel------> Royals

At least there’s theoretically some upside to that move

by Poochie on Jan 21, 2010 11:08 PM PST reply actions  

Uh, What the fuck?

GMJ on his way to the Mets. Apparently LAA will pay the majority of his salary but… sweet mother of god. Also, Olney reports that the M’s are working on getting rid of their do-nothing second baseman.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 22, 2010 8:10 AM PST reply actions  

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