Q&A Feedback
As some of you may have noticed, yesterday's event marked at least the sixth different venue and format for the Q&As in the past three years. We've done no bog talk, blog talk before, blog talk after, just the GM, the GM and staff, the staff and then the GM, etc So, in the vein of the LL QC, we'd like to hear your feedback on the event yesterday. How was this event setup compared to others? Any suggestions for making it better?
Note, what we do not want is any rehashing of what was said by the front office peeps at the event. We get to do these in large part because they stay off the record. Please keep that in mind. What we, meaning USSM/LL, said is fair game though if you want to make fun of Jeff or something.
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Had fun!
Thanks for everything. Worth every penny and minute of time. I did have some trouble hearing time to time. Probably the mic levels. Especially when Jeff asked questions.
by chrisisasavage on Jan 10, 2010 10:57 AM PST reply actions
No I just don't know how to use a microphone
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 10, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
I thought you seemed a little nervous. Maybe that was just me. Though I wouldn't blame you if you were; 550 people is a lot to speak in front of.
by .Taylor on Jan 10, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
Not nervous; clueless
The acoustics on stage were horrible, and no one tipped me off.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 10, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
I will back this up.
I have no idea how it sounded out in the seats, but on stage, it was close to impossible to hear anything. I guess that’s a side effect of building for musicians, but the feedback made it very difficult to discern conversation flows. So if anyone out there wondered why we didn’t ask an obvious follow up question, it’s probably because we couldn’t hear Jack and co.
I don't think I understood one word Dave said all day long
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 10, 2010 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, well, Dave....
it was obvious that at times the panel missed what was being said by the moderators … that might be something their sound folks could adjust
You were pretty quiet too
Jeff was worse.
by chrisisasavage on Jan 10, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
Really? I could hear Matthew loud and clear.
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There was light feedback, but I think everyone could still hear, for the most part
I guess I assumed that they would have given you guys some form of monitoring. Crazy.
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
In that case...
…we need to get you a wireless lav. Idiot proof—even actors can learn to use it.
For what it's worth, I didn't have any problems hearing people.
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
by appleshampoo on Jan 11, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Get CLOSER to the microphones!
I too had trouble hearing some of the comments at the event.
The problem is that most of the speakers were too far away from the microphones.
I have experience with microphones in broadcasting and playing music on stage.
Those mics are specificially designed NOT to pick up extraneous sound from a few feet away. They are very directional and have a very small sound pattern.
To get the best sound you must “kiss the mic” as we say in the biz, which means putting your lips within a few inches of the mic. Singing on stage in a loud rock band I would literally have my lips touching the microphone. Every inch you move farther away from the mic decreases the quality and volume of the sound geometrically. If I was signing in a band on stage and my mouth was 6 inches from the mic you would barely be able to hear me at all, but with my lips touching the mic the vocals would boom out over the loud guitars and drums.
The same concept goes for speaking into a mic to an audience. Professional speakers get up close to the mic so that thier voice boomsout over the room. Fox example, at the USSM event Derek did a good job of leaning into the mic and so did Jeff and Tony B from the M’s front office. That’s why you could hear them so well. At the opposite extreme Jeff from LL was way too far way from the mic when he was asking questions at the podium. At one point Dave moved the mic closer, but he was still too far way from Jeff’’s mouth to hear him clearly.
As for why you guys couldn’t hear Jack and rest up on the stage, that’s because the PA speakers are positioned at the front of the stage to project the sound out to the audience. They are specifically designed to NOT to send sound back to the stage because that would cause feedback from the microphones. You should have asked for “stage monitors,” which are small speakers on the stage that musicians use so that they can hear themselves while they are playing.
The theater and the PA system was great … it was just a little “operator error” that caused some people not to be heard as well as others.
I actually went up to Derek during the break before the M’s FO guys came out and asked him to get the speakers to get closer to the microphones, but they apparently didn’t get the message.
Next time, remember that the microphone is your friend. Don’t be afraid of it. Get up close and personal and everybody will be able to hear you much, much better!
Well, there's your problem: none of the LL/USSM guys are in rock bands
Though Graham looked like he might fit into some shoegazer band. Or maybe Weezer.
Was anyone actually running a soundboard for this event?
That would probably do a lot to help audio levels.
My guess is that the sound would have been a lot worse if there had not been somebody running the sound board. They probably cranked up the volume as much as possible on the mics, but as I explained above they have limited range so simply turning up the gain on a mic will not increase the volume of the person speaking anywhere near as much as having the person simply get closer to the mic.
I’m not trying to be “Mr. Know It All” … I’m just trying to explain why it’s so important to “kiss the mic” in order to get the best sound possible so that next time old guys like can hear better.
As you may have guessed, I blew out my hearing on loud rock and roll in my younger days and I now have only 50% of normal hearing level. Still that’s good enough to hear the speakers who were close to the mic, I only had trouble with the people who were not near the mic because when the sound person cranks up the mic to pick up the person talking it also amplifies the background noise, which makes it harder to understand what the person is saying.
Dude
Were you in any bands we may have heard of?
Just wondering if we have, I don’t know, PoTUSA or the Wipers or Queensryche on here or something
Jack Z was awesome.
He can tell a mean story.
I fucking hate you Mariners
Making fun of Jeff, huh?
Don’t think I missed the water spilling on your part. Just sayin.
It was my first event and I had a blast. Thanks again to everyone involved for making yesterday happen.
Did you fall in love with Miguel Batista? And he rejected you?
I liked having readers submit questions to LL and USSM, and then having you guys pose the best questions to Z & team.
I don’t mean for this to sound elitist, but having audience members ask the general manager questions just doesn’t work when there’s such a large group. There are too many bad questions. I think it was fine three years ago, when we took up two rows of bleachers while meeting with Bavasi in Tacoma, but not when there are hundreds of people. The method you guys tried this time around seems optimal.
Agreed.
Although I thought the majority of questions at the beginning to the bloggers were pretty good.
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Jan 10, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Dave has one up already
http://ussmariner.com/2010/01/10/ussmll-event-recap/
with some links to section331’s as well. There’ll likely be some sort of recap here, but not for a few days.
I'm not really sure it could be any better.
Yeah, it was hard to hear sometimes, but I think that was more a product of some people being better with the mic than others. I could hear Jack, Tony, Matthew, and Dave perfectly fine. Jeff and Tom kinda mumbled a little and Kingston was kinda yelling.
I really like the venue with this one and I think we should stick with it. Worked out very well IMO. I also think the format went very smoothly.
I thought the whole thing seemed a little short, but times flies when your having fun and all that.
Somebody suggested nametags for the audience next time. I also think this is a good idea.
A Few Hail Zduriencik!
Yeah the nametags idea is a good one.
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo, Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
I wasn't sure who any one was
Except the authors and section331 (who was obvious from a mile away). So I didn’t bother trying to figure it out. I had to run afterward anyway, so maybe next time.
by chrisisasavage on Jan 10, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, section331 is pretty easy to spot.
I didn’t really talk to anyone either though, except I ran into marc w. and a friend of his on my way out and then the three of us went off to have tasty beers and chat about stuff.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Jan 10, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah the only people I actually got to meet were Kermit, tootthekazoo, and Mark Sobba
Glad I got to meet them, would have been nice to meet a few more.
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This one was the first event I made it to...
I really liked the way it was setup with the Blogger questions before, then the front office coming out. You can’t really have it the other way because no offense, it would be anti-climactic. One more critique, speak up Jeff (or at least get closer to the mic)!
Thanks for setting this up!
The format and the questions were excellent. Great job coming up with astute follow up questions on the fly as well.
Had a great time
Enjoyed the M’s management panel as well as the blogger Q&A.
Special shout-out to the two dudes seated behind me…one of whom began snoring profusely and the other of whom began to whine incessantly about the lack of baseball questions during the blog-panel…do everyone around you a favor and next time, don’t come.
I've said it elsewhere
But really, the whole pre-event question collecting, and having you guys choose the questions works far better than having audience members try and duke it out for the mic. Everyone can hear the questions being asked, the answers, etc. It ran a lot more smoothly than the other two I’d been to.
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
The angle from the guests to the moderator at the podium was a bit awkward with the table so far forward.
It’s natural for a panel to speak to the moderator in that kind of set up and not just the audience, with the podium so far to the side they kept have to crank their heads around. Just a comfort level thing, kind of a minor point to bring up.
I enjoyed every minute of it.
This is the first one I was able to attend so I don’t have anything to compare against it. I thought the questions being asked by the moderators was an excellent setup.
The only thing I would change is having laser light, fog, and music intro when the front office is introduced. I would pay an extra $10 a ticket for something like this.
Great stuff. Kudos to Dave, Derek, Jeff, Matthew, and Graham.
I specifically mentioned the front office intro like you say here
After the door was open for a bit without them coming out yet, I asked Kermit if there was going to be fog machines, lasers, and loud music
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Jan 10, 2010 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
Really fun, interesting event. All of you guys - Jeff, Graham, Dave, Derek, did a really good job
Matthew, on the other hand, was inspiring
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You know, I'll second that.
I attended the event with my wife, and she loved the way Matthew interacted with Z.
Z acted a little annoyed at his questions
Maybe I read too much into the facial expressions.
by chrisisasavage on Jan 10, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
I got a little of that, but in context, I couldn't figure out why.
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by JY on Jan 10, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
Next question
Z did say Next Question at least once.
If he doesn’t want to answer a question, he won’t.
I thought he was joking on that one.
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jan 10, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
He had to have been
Don’t remember the context, but I think everybody was laughing before Z said that
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Jan 10, 2010 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
He was very calm, cool, and collected
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I KNEW THAT WAS YOU
You have curly hair, right? I’m cursing myself for not going over and saying hi.
by .Taylor on Jan 10, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
Absolutely I have curly here.
How did you know it was me?
Someone called you Eric, which I know is your name from the LL Fantasy League (I think that's how I know)
by .Taylor on Jan 10, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
I was standing talking to Kermit and Chris, 3 feet to your right. Griffin (gregrabble) was there too!
Missed opportunity, I guess.
by .Taylor on Jan 10, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
No rehashing...
But I didn’t attend; is there any way to get to the content? GMZ is clearly a mad genius, and I’d love to see a transcript or summation of the Q&A.
Off the record means anything interesting has to stay in the room.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 10, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
Uh, I'm aware of the term.
But that doesn’t necessarily mean “not for public consumption.” Publication is a whole ’nother matter.
Your logic is flawed.
Off the record is off the record, whether it is spoken or in writing. If you told me something and asked that it be off the record, and I came here and started talking about it, would that be OK with you?
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
It was my first time going to one of these and I thoroughly enjoyed it.
The format was great. Doing the blogger Q&A in the beginning was a good way to get people settled in. The format was well organized and I thank you all for your hard work in putting these events together.
Is there any reason why Graham didn’t ask questions?
Because no one can understand what the hell he's saying.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 10, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
Yanks can never understand what I am saying it frustrates the hell out of me. :/
by EnglishMariner on Jan 10, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
His hair would have been hanging down and blocking his mouth so nobody would have made out what he was saying
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Jan 10, 2010 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
I spent the time I should have been using to prepare questions drawing a picture of Brett's moustache
Also the accent thing would frustrate everyone.
by Graham MacAree on Jan 10, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
18 times!
They said “at the end of the day” a combined eighteen times!
Maybe next time, a drinking game is in order.
Not for me, of course, but everyone else can have at it…
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
There was also an "at the end of the season"
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jan 10, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
Well, those two have to be worth at least
A shot. Assuming of course that all the “at the end of the days” will be drinks of beer.
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
Sure, why not?
And every time people feel compelled to standing ovate…
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
He also made it clear on several occasions that his opinion was only his opinion, and then didn't really give it.
I guess I like the fact he is actually listening to other’s opinions and that it sounds like they differ a lot.
I fucking hate you Mariners
Be grateful.
If this event had been a Royals event, attendees would have been repeatedly admonished to “trust the process” and reminded that they don’t have any credentials to be questioning anything that goes on in a MLB front office.
by Steve Nelson on Jan 10, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, Matthew
You asked a lot of great questions, and good follow-ups. Everyone of the hosts was fantastic, but just wanted to point out that you did a great job.
Jeff, you were hilariously awkward.
Jeff always reminds me of an episode of The Office at these things.
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
by section331 on Jan 10, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
At least he talked this time.
Last year’s January meet-up he didn’t say anything.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Jan 10, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
He should have shouted and beat on the podium

I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Jan 10, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
WE ARE WARRIORS!
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 11, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
Jeff was a little hard to hear
But I just chalked that up to fear of the mic, or fear of the crowd, or fear of being in the world and out of his parents’ basement.
How is it possible someone actually asked for a refund?
I would have given my left boob to attend. >:(
I think Tony said he checks it occasionally.
And I’d imagine after some of the things we’ve said about Z that he wouldn’t dare admit to visiting the site.
I fucking hate you Mariners
I'd imagine the urge to check occasionally would be tough to resist.
And for that matter, why even try to resist it?
by Terminator X on Jan 10, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Well he sometimes
posts in the comments at USSM, so that would suggest, uh, yeah.
Not recently AFAIK (though he has popped up recently at Frangraphs).
Since Tango is now on the Mariners payroll ...
… I would imagine that he has to be very careful about what he posts under his name at a Mariners fan site. I don’t think he’s backed out entirely, as I believe that he has posted a few times since he became a consultant.
by Steve Nelson on Jan 10, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
There is someone on staff that reads LL and USSM regularly
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 10, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
Rick Rizzs.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 11, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
Compared to last year's Library meet
It ran smoother, and I think having the blog discussion first works well especially since people are still arriving. Having the questions worked out in advance seems essential when it gets as big as this, though it would be cool if we had some off-the-list follow-up questions when an interesting tangent presents itself. That’s easier said than done, though, so I can’t really complain (and there was a bit of that, to be fair).
The FO part seemed shorter and a little less free-wheeling compared to last year, but I suspect that’s because it was Jack’s show this time. Last year it was just the guys under him, and they seemed a little more inclined to just sit around forever and shoot the breeze. But maybe the difference this year was mostly the absence of Carmen Fusco, who seemed to have no end of hilarious stories.
So that would be the one change I’d request for next year: more Carmen!
NEED TO MAKE A COMPLAINT
probably 50% of the Mariner fan base is outside King Co. and a great deal of them are outside the state of Washington. need to know if this hush hush thing is a slap in the face by this website or by the Seattle Mariner Baseball Club to this above mentioned fanbase..
This is a violation of the first amendment
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 11, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
I've got a lawyer
And I’m going to sue.
Just as soon as I get a lawyer.
by wandergeist on Jan 11, 2010 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
This "hush hush" thing is the price that we pay for having a pretty incredible amount of access to the front office.
It’s also worth noting that between the six regular authors of LL and USSM, three of them live in different states, two of them all the way across the country.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 10, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Unfortunately...
The price of attendance is what you pay to reap the benefit of hearing all the juicy gossip.
People like myself, who weren’t able to attend will just have to take comfort in the fact that if there’s anything really going on, we will hear about it. …Eventually. :)
Better then Bavasi...
He was into full on stomach sucker punches.
I find your insinuation insulting.
It’s not like we’re trying to keep things silent in order to profit ourselves or shut anyone out. We get the cooperation of the front office, which they have zero reason to give us, in large part because we promise to keep things off the record. I’m sorry it cannot cater to you.
Actually, I think he was asking a question in simply a weird and insulting way.
“need to know if this hush hush thing is a slap in the face by this website or by the Seattle Mariner Baseball Club to this above mentioned fanbase..
As in, “is it this website’s choice to make this a secret or was it the FO?”
...and now I'm here
As DMZ would say, "The M’s front office leaks nothing."
*Except at our USSM event.
Well...
This was the first time I thought the FO guys were too vague and evasive. I had a great time at the event and I feel we’re very privileged for a fan base, but when I thought back about ACTUAL interesting information gleaned, I felt like this was the most evasive the FO guys have been. I’ve been to several of the LL/USSM events and felt in the past, they were more open in the past and gave fewer answers along the lines of “each of these four guys have a different opinion”.
It makes sense though. There are obvious needs left on the club and Z is known as being secretive.
Plus this was literally twice as big as the last one
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 10, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
So you're saying they're afraid of Slugworth stealing their everlasting gobstopper recipe?
by Dewey N on Jan 10, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Being that the bird is the word and the word is the son of God I shall take it as the highest compliment
by Dewey N on Jan 10, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Funny
I guess everyone gets out of something what they want to. I found it more informative in a get-to-know-you sort of way than previous meetings; but that was just me.
I would like to mention, though, something that I haven’t seen mentioned here, and that is the enlargement of the thing. My opinions means nothing in the big scheme of things, but I really think it should be limited to 500, and that’s it. The bigger this gets, the more risk of info getting out and then obviously not being able to do it anymore. This may just be the cold medicine talking, but that’s my personal take on it. It just seems like any further increase in attendance numbers is asking for trouble.
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
by section331 on Jan 10, 2010 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is I think we should keep the venue at the Hall. It'll keep the number of people close to static.
A Few Hail Zduriencik!
I did like the hall
The seats were nice and comfy, it was run well, what everyone else said already, etc.
Really, I was just happy to be there. I think it was a nice size, and since it’s on the bus lines with an $8 garage across the street, fairly affordable/convenient for everyone.
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
I took the light rail from Tukwila
Cost me 5 bucks, and the elevator up from the tunnel dropped me in the lobby at Benaroya
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Jan 11, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
And I caught the bus from Newport Hills to South Bellevue Park and Ride ...
… waited about five minutes, and transferred to the 550 bus, which dropped me off right below Benaroya Hall. Tapped the reader with my Orca pass to handle fares and transfers.
We dropped one car from our family about five years ago. I actually take the bus quite often. It does help that we live in a part of Bellevue (Newport Hills) that has reasonably good bus service.
by Steve Nelson on Jan 11, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
I think
We may not have gone all the way around the block, or missed the parking garage. We wound up in the one north of the Benaroya, and it was $8 flat on weekends, all day. I’m fine with it, as it was much better than the $11 I originally thought I was going to have to pay…
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
I think the most interesting information comes out in what is not said ...
… Given the venue and the nature of the event, it’s clear that Zduriencik et. al. will be circumspect in their comments. Accordingly, I think the interesting stuff is revealed in other ways. Sometimes it is what they don’t say, as when discussing Jose Lopez. Sometimes it’s an expression on a face when a question is asked, that suggests they completely understand a comment, or that registers a disagreeement.
They say little that can be quoted, but there is much more going on than just the words.
by Steve Nelson on Jan 10, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I wish I could have gone.
But Benaroya Hall sounds like it would be a lot better than the room in the library as the seats are positioned so that people can see. That was one of the biggest problems with the library location.
The seats were much more comfortable as well. I kinda hated the rubber seats at the library,
Not to mention they didn’t fold up, so when somebody had to walk by, it was always a tight fit. Very annoying.
A Few Hail Zduriencik!
The room was great
Everyone had a good view and yeah, seats more comfortable.
by AtomicGarden on Jan 10, 2010 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
Huh. I was way the heck up in the back at the library
And I could see fine. Maybe it was a problem for the folks in the front? I know the guys on stage at the library had trouble seeing people in the back to call on them for questions, but the prepared questions thing fixed that anyway.
FWIW I was sitting in the back row at Benaroya and the view was great. So was the audio. Well, except for Jeff whispering and mumbling, but I don’t think that was the room’s fault.
I start talking and this is what happens
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 10, 2010 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
No, Fogel has a person
And the fireworks were directly behind said person. No idea how close this person was to Fogel, but since the person belongs to Fogel and one tends to keep one’s retinue nearby in case one has, I don’t know, grapes to peel or whatever people who have persons need to have done, presumably it was close. But not that close. People who have persons need their space, too. It’s a conundrum. This is why persons, good persons, are so hard to find.
by wandergeist on Jan 10, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Dogs are supposed to hear really well.
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jan 10, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
You're obviously more suited for typing things out
When’s your birthday? I’ll get you one of those type-to-speech things, like what Stephen Hawking uses
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Jan 11, 2010 12:00 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I know you guys wished I was there! ('Cept Graham, of course)
Next time! (Maybe)
A Mariners fan in Seattle
Plural is unneeded.
There is only one contribution. Though it is long.
I bet you say that a lot.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 11, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
I don't really understand what the "hush hush" thing is about...
I enjoyed the event immensely, but they really didn’t reveal anything juicy. It was really interesting and fun; I loved the way Zduriencik answered questions and some of the interaction that went on between the bloggers and the FO was amazing. The “if that’s Alan Nero, we’ll let you take that call right now… we’ll even take it for you!” bit was awesome. The most critical information they gave away was about stuff that already happened and isn’t that stunning in the first place, so the “keep it quiet” thing doesn’t make a ton of sense to me.
Graham should have definitely talked more, though, that was the most disappointing part.
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It seems to me that while a lot of the things that are said during the meetups aren't surprising to us
they aren’t the kinds of things the front office would say publicly. They might seem innocuous to the blogosphere because we agree with them, but were these events truly public I would imagine the responses would be a great deal more measured.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 10, 2010 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
Totally agree ...
… if they knew tape recorders were rolling for public attribution I can’t imagine they would have responded on many issues the way they did – Jose Lopez being one example that comes to mind. Some of what they said might be stuff they would say as background to someone such as Geoff Baker – and on background they may be even more forthright with a beat writer – but it’s not something they would every say at a press conference or a Fan Fest.
by Steve Nelson on Jan 10, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
Having a blanket rule helps
Because without it, then why not YouTube videos and podcasts and live blogging and actual credentialed press people… and there goes your “Well, it’s misunderstood hearsay by a bunch of crazy folks on the internet” deniability. And then you have to watch every word for fear somebody says something that could get taken out of context or used by an agent or ruffle a player. The Milton Bradley discussion might have skated close to that, I don’t really know, but better safe than sorry, right?
Anyway, it’s not like the LL/USSM guys made up these rules just to create an annoying informational elite of insiders and a frustrated mass of outsiders. If that’s how the FO wants to roll and we really don’t like it, I guess we could just not come as a protest or something.
Anyway, every time Graham opens his mouth he makes the rest of us sound uncultured. Just as well he remain an International Man of Mystery.
Informational Elite
If anything LL/USSM is fighting an informational elite. Information moved from the few to the many, 4 to 500.
The front office is playing a game of incomplete information. It is in their interest to reveal nothing. What is and isn’t said helps me understand how that game is played. I thought the front office representatives were generous with their answers.
Thanks to LL/USSM for making it happen.
"The holy grail is to spend less time making the picture than it takes people to look at it." -Banksy
Speaking of "hush, hush"
Who’s had juicier stuff to tell their audience? Jack Zduriencik (and co.) or Bill Bavasi?
Bavasi wasn't afraid to say things like "Gil Meche is a pussy" and "Fuck Dave Samson".
And I think he in a roudabout way called Jose Lopez a fat fuck once. Though I may be wrong.
A Few Hail Zduriencik!
Carl Everett is not misunderstood
Carl Everett is understood
by wandergeist on Jan 11, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
He would have made a great PR guy, though.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
He said he was pleased that he had Yuni under the contract he did and that if given the chance
Jose Lopez wouldn’t be.
Wow that's a ballsy statement.
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How about a lottery ticketting system? I missed both windows of opportunity because I’m not hitting refresh ever 5 minutes on the blog – by the time I got the 30min RSS feed update, tickets were already sold out.
I think their only real priorty is selling out the tickets.
Which they did, so additional work was unneeded. Who gets them isn’t really of their concern. A lottery is the type of thing that those that had extra tickets could have done, and I know that several people did offer their tickets on this blog and others, so there were plenty of ways to get them.
Also, please use a subject line in the future. Thanks!
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And if you had a 30-minute RSS feed you had time
.. with the second announcement it took several hours to sell out. And it seems to me the first offering also took at around two hours.
by Steve Nelson on Jan 10, 2010 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
According to Dave's twitter, 3 hours for the first set and about 2 hours for the second. (Imagine how much quicker they would have gone if they had given any advance notice)
- USSM event sells out in 3 hours. Crazy. I’m sorry to all who couldn’t get tickets in time. 2:25 PM Dec 17th
- Okay, I fixed it. Go nuts, people. Buy lots. 11:23 AM Dec 21st
- And we’re sold out. See 540 of you in a few weeks. 1:37 PM Dec 21st
I think I died and went to baseball heaven when I read the 2010 Mariners Annual post on USSM just now.
Perhaps funnier is that USSM broke Maple Street.
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by CapSea on Jan 11, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
Oh shit!
J/M/Dave if you’re around – will there be a way to order these online or do we need to physically go purchase them?
by seattlebruin on Jan 11, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
Much good, some suggestions...
Overall an incredible event—I went to the previous (Aug?) one and this was mostly better…
Venue was excellent (minus whatever mic problems you guys experienced). Comfortable, easy to hear questions and professional. Really good. I did miss the Mariners free popcorn (grin).
First section with the USSM/LL guys was super great. Fun questions, fun answers. All around excellent.
Second section with Z & Co was good, but not as enjoyable for me as in the past session. I left thinking that the “no audience questions” was the reason – somehow there’s something positive about taking Q’s from the audience I think – and it worked okay for the bloggers section I thought. That said, I can also see the submitted questions early working well too, though I’d offer these suggestions…
First, I would suggest only having one questioner from the USSM/LL folks — and it should IMHO be Dave. He’s very entertaining, and having only one guy will keep out any repeated questions which sort of happened Saturday. I understand the desire to spread this around a bit, but I think it’ll work better with a less egalitarian approach.
Second, I think there were a lot of questions about subtle stuff (what’s the decision making process in X scenario) versus fun/funny/obvious questions. The subtle stuff is fine, but it felt like some obvious questions (Felix?) and some entertaining, more “human” questions would be really appropriate. Dave’s wrap up on “tell us something you wish we understood” was an excellent example.
Anyhow, the event was overall spectacular, this is just my 2c on how it could be even moreso. Great job guys.
ugh no not dave only
the guy can’t ask a concise question to save his life. matthew if anyone!

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