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81-76, Game Notes

This is like taking a picture of the bushes next to Kim Phuc.

More photos » by Elaine Thompson - AP

This is like taking a picture of the bushes next to Kim Phuc.

When the meaningful wins are gone, you're left having to celebrate the symbolic ones, but as symbolic ones go, this one was pretty good. We'll have all offseason to reflect on what winning at least 81 games means for the organization. For now, let's just revel in the moment. .500+ was a long time coming. Back in 2007, Rolling Stone's #1 song went to Jay-Z. Spiderman 3 raked in more than three hundred million dollars. Alex Rodriguez led the league in home runs. No other fan base in the world has had to suffer as much as we did while we waited for the M's to return to respectability, and so this - this is bliss. We've earned this. Our long, seemingly endless regional nightmare is over.

  • And so Felix Hernandez earns his 18th win and slightly lowers his ERA on a night that seldom saw him at his best. That he nearly made it through another eight innings is a testament to both how poorly the A's have been known to hit and how good Felix can still be even when he's not on his game.

    The raw numbers do a fine job of conveying just how much Felix struggled with his location. When a guy throw 58% strikes, walks four guys, beans two more, and adds a pair of wild pitches for good measure, no one's going to accuse him of being unusually sharp unless he's Daniel Cabrera. I dunno, maybe it was the weather. It was a cool, indoor game at the Safe, with Gameday marking the temperature at 52 degrees. Sometimes it can be hard to get a good feel for the seams when your fingers are cold, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear that that played a part in Felix's struggles. But then, it's also possible that it didn't. Who knows? Maybe Felix's rough go of it was independent of the atmosphere. What matters is that he wasn't particularly sharp, and were it not for a handful of clutch pitches and some good defense, Oakland would've scored more than a deuce.

    What's funny is that, where you'd think a start like this would hurt Felix's chances at the Cy Young, the voters will probably eat it up. Guy comes in without his best stuff and toughs it out for 7.2 two-run innings? That's a warrior. It's easy to coast when you're always untouchable like Zack Greinke. Felix had to earn his innings. Or something. I can't tell if this is a joke or serious. I guess that's not a real ringing endorsement of the award.

  • Those 120 pitches Felix threw, by the way, were a career high. Safe to say we're out of the kid gloves window, as Felix has racked up 232 innings and 26 consecutive starts with 100+ pitches thrown. Wakamatsu has treated him like a workhorse, and he's responded like one. I don't necessarily love that he was out there for 120, especially on a night where he didn't know where the ball was going, but his velocity was fine, and we don't have any real compelling reason to believe that we put his body in grave danger. Every pitcher's unique. Felix seems to be pretty durable. So at this point I support pretty much any endeavor intended to make him happy. Would've been nice to see Felix walk off after a third out, but I guess we'll just have to give him a real ovation on Sunday.

  • The small crowd tonight should help keep Felix's price tag down come the eventual extension negotiations.

    Nero: Felix deserves to be paid at a premium. He's the sort of player fans will pay to come see.
    Zduriencik: Oh yeah?

  • With two on and two down in the top of the seventh, Rajai Davis hit a ball on the ground to the right of second base that Jose Lopez tracked down and threw to first after a little spin. It wasn't a spectacular play, and it won't make any highlight reels, but it was a rangey play, and an effective reminder that, while Lopez will probably always be prone to the occasional boneheaded mistake, he's not a tree. He can move to each side, and he can move pretty well. For now, anyway.

  • Hopefully this wasn't Ken Griffey Jr.'s final home run in Seattle (by which I mean I'd like to see one in the next five days, and not in 2010), but if it was, at least it was a classic Griffey dinger. Low-inside fastball that he turned on with the usual swing and watched fly to its usual place while completing his usual follow-through. The best part was that the homer was immediately preceded by a meeting on the mound with the catcher and coach and everything. Nothing quite like giving someone advice and then watching him go and achieve the worst possible scenario.

    Anyway, Griffey hasn't hit a whole lot this year, but he hasn't been a disaster, and he's shown enough flashes of his old self to remind so many people of why they ever fell in love. Honestly, it might be the best case for him that the team is successful but not close to the race, because by being so far out of it, no one feels inclined to blame his mediocre productivity for holding us back. Everyone's who's wanted has just been able to get swept up in the whole thing, and given the impact he's had on the team and the fan base, I don't know that the organization could be any happier about having brought him back. It didn't go perfectly, but nothing's ever perfect.

  • Bill Hall let another ball drop in front of him today after taking a casual stroll in pursuit. This one, at least, landed in foul territory. Said Dave Sims: "Wow. Full throttle, it wasn't." It can't be laziness. If it were laziness, Wak would've put him on the bench by now. So Hall has to have a pretty good excuse for why he hasn't been running, and that pretty good excuse is his bum quad. Hall can't run at anything close to full speed because he has a bum quad. Sooo...he's still playing. I don't understand.

    A couple batters later, Adrian Beltre retreated behind third base for a pop up and made a wave-off motion with his hand before making the catch. Then he smiled.

  • Says a frequent MLB.tv commercial for a week-long umpire camp: "Become the best umpire you can be." This can be interpreted in three ways:

    (1) Nothing about being a successful umpire is so hard that you can't learn it in a week
    (2) Camp is the only place where you can learn to be an umpire, and once you leave camp, you'll never improve again, ever
    (3) The statement has nothing to do with the camp, and is instead a message of inspiration. "Hey, viewer. Become the best umpire you can be. We believe in you."

    I don't know which is correct, but #1 seems most appropriate.

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In the year 200....7

I was hoping the drafting of Kevin Durant would energize an apathetic fan base enough to Save Our Sonics. Shouldn’t have mentioned that, but thinking of Seattle sports in 2007, it is the first thing that comes to mind.

Also in 07 I wondered if Felix was the second coming of Freddy Garcia.

As much as I love seeing Griffey hit a jack and watch that beautiful swing flow into a successful follow through, I cringe, while I think that could possibly be the swing that tells him he still has it and wants to return.

Wherever I go, that's where I am.

by noontide on Sep 30, 2009 12:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that horse done left the barn already

The “wants to return” horse, that is.

And yes, you shouldn’t have mentioned the Sonics. It wasn’t the fault of an “apathetic fan base”, incidentally, but let’s not trod that ground again lest I get AAARRAGGhhagh

by lemonverbena on Sep 30, 2009 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh christ... I hope this doesn't start something

but I feel compelled to mention that I did not say it was the fault of an apathetic fan base… I blame Howard Schultz first and foremost. I simply was saying I hoped the fans would not let allow them to leave. Much like an energized fan base created the conditions that saved the Mariners and Seahawks.

Wherever I go, that's where I am.

by noontide on Sep 30, 2009 3:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The fan base had no say in the decision

If you think that owners in the professional sports leagues listen to “the fan”, you’re almost certainly wrong. They listen to the dollars, which are not spent by the fan but by the corporate swells in the seats.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Sep 30, 2009 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I am not saying the owners listen to the fans

but the politicians do… and the owners listen to money and the politicians can create revenue for the teams (i.e. a new stadium and lease).

They can also force owners to lose money. The city could have put up a much stronger fight in court to hold the team to its lease, just like they did with the hawks. The politicians are going to back whatever will gather them votes.

I didn’t think I would have to walk people through how this could happen- since it already happened twice before in this region.

Let me say Fuck the Hitleresque owner of the coffee company that shall not be named.

Wherever I go, that's where I am.

by noontide on Sep 30, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, so the origin of these comments was...

at this time in ’07 I hoped that Durant could help energize a fan base enough to keep the Sonics here. Which was a legitmate hope at that time. Why do you think Behring bought the Hawks?

Also the city could have at the very least got a better deal for themselves then what they settled for and made money.

Also, also had anything been done to get a new arena I think it would have changed Stern’s position. Although he and Bennett sure seemed to be entenched in each other’s asses.

Also, also, also Bennett and his coowner buddies lost their asses this past year due to the economy. This very well may have had them rethinking the ownership of a basketball team that would have still been in Seattle and costing them even more money.

The more I think about this the more frustrated I get actually.

So, the Mariners 81 wins that is awesome! They exceeded all my expectations this year!

Wherever I go, that's where I am.

by noontide on Sep 30, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Things that make me smile
Here’s what Wakamatsu said about winning No. 81, assuring the Mariners of a winning season.

“The biggest thing for us, we went through a lot this year with injuries.To be able to sit here at 81 is a stepping stone. By no means is it what we’re looking to do here. But under the circumstances, I’m awfully proud.’’

Larry Stone

by ThundaPC on Sep 30, 2009 1:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Bill Hall thing

Do any players have ridiculous ‘you must play me in x number of games’ clauses?

I’m struggling to rationalise for his continued inclusion and am forced to consider conspiracy theories.

by MarkE on Sep 30, 2009 1:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Seventeen home runs... shocking.

I’m one of the only people that wouldn’t really give a shit if he was back next year, and I’m still surprised he hasn’t sucked even worse than that.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Sep 30, 2009 1:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The DH player made up of Griffey and Sweeney

has 25 homeruns, 35 2Bs, 87 RBIs so far (610 ABs),

and (roughly) a .241/.330/.420 line.

Yeah, sure pinch hitting may get counted extra in the counting stats but this is not bad considering the suckfest parade of DHs (Vidro, Dino, etc.) we’d had to suffer through After Edgar.

Junior and Sweeney for 2009!

by Sam Regens on Sep 30, 2009 4:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Just because they haven't sucked compared to Vidro doesn't mean they don't suck

sure, getting your arm cut off sucks less than getting both arms cut off, but it STILL SUCKS.

by seattlebruin on Sep 30, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, actually it's not that close.

They were definitely worse than league average by a few runs.

I don’t understand why AL teams can’t get the average DH OPS to at least .800. They were talking about this over on The Book blog and MGL had a decent sized list of players making less than $1M projected to hit .800. There’s just no excuse to run out DHs that are much worse than that.

OK, maybe if they bring in a ton of fan revenue…

by Manzanillos Cup on Sep 30, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The best part is that your week of training is in Compton.

I guess they expect every ump to have their own Laz Diaz moment.

by abender20 on Sep 30, 2009 7:05 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think this is well-said
Honestly, it might be the best case for him that the team is successful but not close to the race, because by being so far out of it, no one feels inclined to blame his mediocre productivity for holding us back.

I think that’s an important point – if we were more in contention, I think it would be kind of damaging to the fans’ psyche to be demonizing someone most were so elated to have back.

by Torrid on Sep 30, 2009 8:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Wak is smarter than that though

I honestly think that if this team were in contention Wak wouldn’t play Griffey anywhere near as often as he’s playing him now. And that’s one of the best things about Griffey 2.0, is that he’d be the first to agree with a lack of playing time in that situation.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Sep 30, 2009 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's nice how little of this team has the Bavasi stink left on it.

There might be some smart ass comment about getting to .500 and then moving forward, or whatever he used to say. Can’t muster the energy.

by Kermit. on Sep 30, 2009 9:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I heard a very interesting comment from a former scout last night at the game that I have had trouble wrapping my head around.

We were debating the merits of Beltre and he said one reason Beltre was a bad signing is that players like Betancourt and Lopez watched his hacking style and ignored the advice of the coaches because they all looked up to Beltre. I have a hard time blaming Beltre for those two not having any patience at the plate, but it sure is a dynamic I had not considered before.

by Sec 108 on Sep 30, 2009 9:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Pretty much.

And it’s not like either one of them ever displayed any patience at all in the minors, so it’s unlikely that they would start doing so at the major league level.

by acblue on Sep 30, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was my response also.

I also of course took the shocking position that nothing was going to save Betancourt from himself.

by Sec 108 on Sep 30, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The interesting thing about scouts is that they have no idea how to weight things

They are beyond compare in determining a player’s skillset, but have no idea which parts are important and which are not.

by Graham on Sep 30, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have now seen a Kim Phuc reference on a baseball blog.

I’m still not entirely sure why.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Sep 30, 2009 10:05 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I got that.

Kim Phuc would not be the first reference I came up for that though.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Sep 30, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the umpire camp

I’m leaning towards unspoken option (4): We’ll turn you into a computer that does the job better than any human could ever hope to.

Rooting for lovable losers since 1984.

by seattlecougar on Sep 30, 2009 12:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Is it just me...

The called strike at umpire camp looks low, and the safe call at the plate looks out.

by pakipaki on Sep 30, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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