9/25: Open Game Thread
by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 25, 2009 3:26 PM PDT
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As a pitcher, Roy Halladay has a lot of strengths. Intimidation is not one of them.
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It's possible he's one of those tough guys with the slightly subtle cues you have to look for.
Knotted cartilage on the ears is always an important tell, or the little scars around the eyelids and the cheekbones, especially on the left side of their head. Maybe it’s the angle, but his ear on that side might be a little out of shape.
Isn't it great
that the statement “this season is almost over” doesn’t come paired with a sense of relief this year?
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
I guarantee you Saunders will go deep.
...and now I'm here
Conflict
I very much like the pullover v-neck style jersey, but the color is an absolute nightmare.
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
Powder blue jerseys are awesome...
Powder blue pants, not so much.
Baby blue looks good on
Babies.
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
Replying looks good
When it’s done properly.
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
Jose Lopez is going to end the year with at least 25 HR and 40 doubles.
And still be a below average hitter.
by Manzanillos Cup on Sep 25, 2009 4:22 PM PDT reply actions
I think you're thinking of Ann WIlson
by Poochie on Sep 25, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No I don't think that's correct if I remember correctly she tosses the ol' pigskin around
by Dewey N on Sep 25, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's no way to talk about
Nancy.
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
by section331 on Sep 25, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I doubt it's within his control.
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
Yeah there's a lot of artistic integrity to protect there.
by Aaron Campeau on Sep 25, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
My favorite is the commercial that focuses on the line "gaze in wide wonder"
instead of the usual Bad to the Bone
No, I mean, they look like team approved pajamas.
I have Mariner pajamas that look more professional than these uniforms.
Really?
I mean the pajamas, not the professional part.
Are they flannel?
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
You have a valid point
I just want flannel Mariner PJs.
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
Jesus Christ that would be awesome
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
I would wear them shopping
Because I could.
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
PJs with a tie it is.
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
As a Jays fan
All I remember about that trade is Cruz being hyped as the next Griffey, and then…. not really living up to that. Still a great trade.
I don't remember him being hyped as the next Griffey
but he was supposed to be the answer to the M’s revolving door in LF for years. I think that was the first time I got sad about a player being traded.
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Googling
“Jose Cruz” “next Ken Griffey” gives me 140 results, so I’m not imagining it. Although an article from Seattle in 1997 specifically says that the M’s should trade Cruz (For Ricky Bottalico, no less) because Cruz is not the next Griffey.
Isn't it?
If a newspaper reporter has to argue against a comparison, it means that the comparison is held by some people.
Some people are of the opinion that the world will end on December 21, 2012
some people think that David Eckstein is a good baseball player
some people think that 2 + 2 = 5
some people think that no person has ever walked on the moon
are you really going to base your argument off of what “some people” think?
by seattlebruin on Sep 25, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
because that’s all I ever said. Cruz was hyped as the next Griffey. I didn’t say that was accurate or anything, just that the position existed.
What do want?
That’s not snark, I’m baffled, really.
Your claim is that the Jose Cruz trade was a great trade because Cruz was hyped to be "the next Griffey" by "some people"
our point is that the opinion of “some people” is stupid unless they are credible. Searching random newspaper stories for proof that Cruz was hyped is not going to make us believe that he was in fact “the next Griffey.”
by seattlebruin on Sep 25, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, please, someone fix this damn screen width thing
it’s annoying typing comments when I can’t see what I’m writing
by seattlebruin on Sep 25, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, that's it
see, I thought the Cruz trade being great for Toronto was self-evident. 5 1/2 years of Cruz for Spoljaric and Timlin is a great trade, no questions asked.
As for the hype, all I said is I remember it, and google says other people remember the same thing. I’m not saying that credible sources were saying it, just that the idea was out there.
Well, that's your point. Which is a good one as well.
My point was that the assertion was made but never backed up with actual examples of Jose Cruz Jr. being compared to Griffey.
If you want to dig through
a google search, go ahead, you’ll find a couple news stories and a bunch of message board snark. The Toronto Star doesn’t have searchable archives going back to 1997, so it’s impossible to find the article that I vaguely remember reading twelve years ago.
It is
If you’re working with a search engine.
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
He did
Just before the last commercial
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
No worries
He just mentioned it as it was broken too. Oh well.
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
Josh Wilson
Has pretty bats.
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
One of those is untrue.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Sep 25, 2009 5:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The best always get blamed for the shortcomings of the inferior.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Sep 25, 2009 5:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I know, all the fuckers on this site blame Jose Lopez for everything
by seattlebruin on Sep 25, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, here we go.....
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
I liked Churchill's idea of a couple of incentive-laden contracts to the broken but talented group.
I think we’re close to a .500 win team next season if GMZ spends his money well. If we can add a couple of those types and get 50 starts between them, I think we increase our playoff chances by like double.
The 2010 Mariners have an outside chance at competing next year, but are focused on 2011 on.
This means that one-year deals are pretty ideal, and high risk high reward guys give us a better chance at making the post-season than lower risk talents at similar prices.
I think the idea is that it makes more sense for the Mariners because of the focus on 2011
if they do well in 2010 it is a pleasant bonus, but since the roster is constructed to be significantly better in 2011 than 2010, 2010 is no big loss if a one-year risk/reward signing backfires.
By 2011, the rotation would set so that a risk-reward type signing would be unnecessary
by seattlebruin on Sep 25, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
If I thought we were a true-talent 88-win team going into next year, I would suggest lower-risk players.
But I think we’re a lot closer to .500, in which case I believe our best shot at making the playoffs is hoping that the high-risk guys hit.
Yeah well you see, there's a relationship between talent, injury risk, and price.
And I don’t think with our budget and current talent, we don’t have the money to get the talent we need to have a good shot at the playoffs without going for players that have an injury-risk factor.
Our 2009 roster WAR looked like shit too
You’re basically completely discounting the possibility of meaningful roster additions
Because apparently you don't like to think about next year's team in terms of reasonable acquisitions.
Just because GMZ pulled a miracle trade for Gutierrez doesn’t mean we can find similar value from the pieces we have now.
If we can trade an overvalued player for a massively undervalued player every offseason...
We will soon win the AL West nearly every season, but I just can’t assume that GMZ is that good yet.
It happens every offseason
I see no reason to assume that we can’t make a move (cough Lopez cough) that will significantly aid this this team
My problem is assuming we can trade a 2-win player for a 4-win player.
Or something along those lines.
I’m not assuming we can’t, but assuming we can and will is a little too optimistic for my liking.
He's a typing dog, he's probably a fucking genius if he figured out how to type without opposable thumbs
by seattlebruin on Sep 25, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
You just said if he figured out how to type without opposable thumbs
I don’t think that would be too hard
There are many smart GMs.
GMZ made a couple of great choices, but I don’t think we can think of it as something we can expect GMZ to do every season.
So how do you want to talk about next year’s roster?
“Let’s sign a couple of 4-win players to $8 mil/year deals.”
That’s not a realistic way to get a feel on where we’ll be next season.
We could sign Nick Johnson.
I heard he’ll easily be a 4-win improvement next year
by Matthew on Sep 25, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well from a quick glance, I think some the most undervalued FAs out there might be...
O-Hud (he’s type-A so we probably wouldn’t want to give up a 1st round pick for him)
Marlon Byrd (but I don’t think we have a spot for him)
Geoff Jenkins (as a platoon DH bat or something, might be cheap but not that valuable)
Brad Penny
Well, I think the playoffs are a long-shot, yeah.
We’re probably 8/1 against to win the AL West at this point.
I wonder if there are just words floating around in your head that are made up of all the letters you leave out of words now
I imagine it being like chemistry but with letters instead of elementary particles
by seattlebruin on Sep 25, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think you should appluad this as an original idea, Matthew
the poster clearly stated that the idea is borrowed from Jason Churchill of prospectinsider.com and thus is by definition, not an original idea.
I would think someone with an Ivy League education would understand that.
by seattlebruin on Sep 25, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
I think Churchill is a hack and his ideas are rarely original and often are retarded
by Poochie on Sep 25, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't see Felix being traded before the start of the season.
He may be traded next year, but I think it will be mid-season when teams are more willing to actually pay what he’s worth.
You forgot Silva.
It is really hard to tell because there could be a signing and/or some trades. But right now I would put Felix and RRS on next years rotation.
Next year's rotation
Mariners pitcher #1
Mariners pitcher #2
Mariners pitcher #3
Carlos Silva
Mariners pitcher #4
by seattlebruin on Sep 25, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
NOT MUCH, QUEEFBUCKET
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Sep 25, 2009 5:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Dis-a-point-ing
clap clap clapclapclap
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
Well
That was short and sucky.
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
That is true
But my statement was more of a factual thing and less of a complaint.
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
This was like watching men display their attraction to other men
by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 26, 2009 12:19 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Really?
I must be watching the wrong movies.
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
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