79-72, Game Notes
So I'll be writing the Mariners chapter again in the upcoming Hardball Times Season Preview. And as much as they probably frown on this sort of thing, should they ask for a brief review of 2009, I can already tell you how it's going to end: though the M's were well out of the race by the middle of August, they found a way to make those meaningless games down the stretch borderline watchable.
I don't know how better to summarize a team that's been both disappointing and so totally not disappointing at all.
- Not really a banner night for Ryan Rowland-Smith, but for one thing, he's more than earned the right to have a start like this, and for another, he didn't see a lefty bat all game. Ordinarily a lefty starter doesn't see that many lefty bats to begin with, and lefties had accounted for just 26% of plate appearances against RRS on the season coming in, but 26% multiplied by the 25 batters RRS faced today comes out to six or seven, and that can make a pretty big difference.
I dunno, just a thought. Though an issue, righties weren't Ryan's only problem tonight, however, as he admitted that he didn't have his best stuff against a pretty good offense. He was better about getting his curveball over, an issue he recently lamented, but his fastball was hit or miss and he couldn't depend on his changeup. Only 13 of the 27 he threw went for strikes, including just two of his final 11, and without his best change, RRS had a tough time avoiding trouble. He allowed three runs through 5+ innings, and it very easily could've been a whole lot worse.
That said, considering RRS walked all of four batters over his previous five starts, I think it's safe to say this is more of a blip than a red flag. Nobody wants to see a guy have a game like this (except Trey Hillman on Monday), but it's not a problem unless it becomes a habit, and I'm inclined to pay more attention to RRS' entire 2009 body of work rather than a single off night. He'll be fine. - This was the first Mariners game I've been able to watch on MLB.tv in a week, and the first thing I saw when I booted it up was that damn Geico commercial with 3 Doors Down. It's like I never left. It's tempting to suggest that it's all just clever satire - the Geico cavemen are miserable beings, and 3 Doors Down is a miserable band - but I fear that would be giving the advertising department too much credit, and that rather than using their outlet to mock one of the more alarming success stories of the last decade of musicianship, they honestly believe that the combination of formulaic corporate lite rock with oversensitive business troglodytes is going to help them sell their own insurance, provided the potential customer is exposed to the commercial 14 times a game.
A lot of people like to make fun of YouTube commenters. I think all you need to know about them is that, of the last 62 comments left on the ad's page that express an opinion, 61 were positive. - In the early innings today, the entire Mariner bullpen lined up to shake the hand of a ball guy who gave a foul ball to a little girl by the wall. I think it's to the point where our bullpen has literally taken on a life of its own. As one unit, one peculiar unit that envelops all who tread near. I can imagine them all living together in a household similar to the ESPN studios during Y2K, and I can also imagine that it's all a very weird experience for people like Brandon Morrow and Garrett Olson who've worked both as starters and in relief.
Morrow: Hey guys.
Hannahan: Hey Brandon, welcome back.
Johnson: So Brandon, hey, I've been meaning to ask you.
Morrow: Yeah?
Johnson: What's it like?
Morrow:
Johnson: You know
Johnson: Out...there.
Morrow:
Morrow: Y'know
Morrow:
Morrow: I don't really...know.
Wakamatsu: Luke!
French: What's going on, skip?
Wakamatsu: Hey, Luke. Brandon's starting. You're going to the bullpen.
French: oh
French: oh god
Langerhans: You're shaking.
French: oh my god - In the bottom of the fifth, Adrian Beltre made a fine shorthop grab and throw to retire Gabe Kapler, and Dave Sims and Mike Blowers took the opportunity to point out just how spoiled we are by his play at third base. How spoiled are we? So spoiled that I doubt many of those who watched could recall the play he'd just made. Adrian Beltre has a .668 OPS and has been an above-average player.
- Jose Lopez's tiebreaking homer in the 8th was his 25th of the season, and though little milestones like that don't really mean that much to us as fans, they mean a lot to the players, as evidenced by Lopez requesting the ball back from the fan who got it. However, the fan - pictured below - refused to cooperate.
Drayer says the fan turned down an offer of both an autographed bat and an autographed ball in exchange for the homer. Now, I'm trying really hard these days to be less judgmental. To judge people less often by their behavior or appearance observed in a small sample. With that in mind, it's possible that the man pictured is a genuinely good guy who's wanted to catch a foul or a homer his entire life, and that he plans to put this ball on his mantle and cherish it, or that he intends to take it home to present to his son or daughter as a surprise. Keeping the ball under the circumstances is a little selfish, but then we're all selfish, and we shouldn't pass judgment without knowing the whole story. It's entirely possible that the ball could bring more happiness to the fan or to someone he knows than it would to Jose Lopez.
On the other hand, Axe Factory featured enough reliable indicators of probable blockheadedness that I'd support the extreme measures suggested by Sims and Blowers on the broadcast. They used to settle these conflicts a little differently, don't you know. - Given that Griffey and Sweeney are the life of the dugout, I would wager that #3 hitter Jose Lopez enjoys his homers the least.
- Miguel Batista has retired 11 consecutive batters.
- Ichiro went 1-4 while Joe Mauer went 1-3. Though Ichiro's hit was twice as good as Mauer's, batting champ contenders don't get credit for style points, which means the chances now are even slimmer than they were this afternoon. Should Ichiro determine that he won't catch up to Mauer, an interesting backup plan would be trying to make all of his hits home runs.
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Ichiro loves dingers as much as the rest of us. I know it.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Sep 23, 2009 12:24 AM PDT reply actions
The odds of Miguel Batista retiring 11 batters in a row is 330 times better than the chances of winning the Washington State Lottery
For some reason this makes me think buying lottery tickets is stupid.
Yes but the reward to you for winning the lottery is much greater than the reward for Miguel Batista retiring eleven straight batters
you could also argue that playing the lottery is less expensive than watching Miguel Batista pitch, because the alcohol you need to consume in order to not go find and strangle him likely cost more than the $1 lottery ticket you purchased.
by seattlebruin on Sep 23, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
what were the odds again?
45000 to 1 or something like that? Jeff, that was the funniest part of your post. Keep it up.
Jeff
If you look at everything you hate on the Internet or on Television as actually clever satire, it makes life a lot more enjoyable even if it makes you even more completely out of touch with reality. I’m doing this right now. It’s amazing.
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Sep 23, 2009 12:40 AM PDT reply actions
Seriously, he didn't give the ball back?
He should have asked for an Ichiro/Griffey bat.
Carlos Silvelite
I think, now that the 200 hit pressure is off
Ichiro is trying to beat Griffey for HR’s this season
I know it's a novel thought, but I'm guessing he's just a total asshole.
I know I’m pretty far out on a limb here.
...and now I'm here
Which way to the gym, guys?
Don’t worry, I’ll check it out.
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
His girlfriend has aggressively recurring herpes.
But that’s okay because they’re careful.
...and now I'm here
Also, the torso in the guy in the blue is the upside down version of the torso of the man to his right.
...and now I'm here
I have attached this visual aid for reference.

...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Sep 23, 2009 5:32 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
That's pretty damn funny.
By the way, I don’t think that one can tell whether someone is a douchebag based on their appearance, but that dude certain meets many of the necessary conditions.
You can tell with a fair degree of certainty.
If you dress like that you aren’t worried about people thinking your a douchebag, and generally that’s going to mean that you are a douchebag.
by Aaron Campeau on Sep 23, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
The bullpen is becoming something like Sunshine Cleaners in the Desperado/Heart of Darkness episode of Seinfeld.
One day someone will pick up the phone and ask for Mark Lowe and he’ll angrily growl, “My name is Tonya”.
I don;'t see how anybody can see this season as a disappointment in the slightest
At every stage, this team is so far ahead of where it has been for the last few years that to be disappointed in the team kinda misses the point. There was no way that this team was going worst-to-first, but the improvement from last year especially makes me want to jump for joy every time I watch this team.
This year is all about erasing the messes of the last few. If this team is at this level next year and in 2011, I will feel much more disappointed, but for now I’m just thrilled to no longer be following a laughingstock.
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
On the other hand...
…stats folks like us have said it’s much easier going from 61 to 81 wins than it is going from 81 to 91 wins. Getting and using replacement level players is just that simple to do.
I don’t think we’re going the see the same level of improvement in the next years; in fact, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a win or two fewer next year. But by that time (or maybe the year after), we start getting more minor league talent to the bigs and we might start getting home grown +3, +4 players.
i'm not expecting order-of-magnitude type improvements next year
i’m just really excited that not only have the M’s built a solid foundation out of what used to be a landfill, but they’ve also (to torture the metaphor even more) found a contractor who knows how to build things that last. The actual number of wins is, to me, somewhat irrelevant; it’s the organizational improvement as a whole that gets me excited. I’ve been a fan of this team since about 1980 and in all that time I can count on one hand the number of seasons that the M’s have had competent front office staff, and that has FINALLY changed, which excites me to no end.
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
A team of replacement level players = 50 wins.
A team of average players (2 WAR) = ~81 wins.
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# This was the first Mariners game I’ve been able to watch on MLB.tv in a week, and the first thing I saw when I booted it up was that damn Geico commercial with 3 Doors Down.
I know its possible to adblock these, I just have no idea how.
I'm a sucker for the caveman ads.
I think the song’s corniness is perfect for the whole cheesy theme of the ads.
It should be noted that I’ve turned on MLB.tv once or twice in the past month, so I haven’t been subjected to the barrage being described here.
Probability of 11 consecutive batters retired
Just curious about the math…I know I’m a geek.
1/((1-.380)^11)? = 192AB’s
Or if each batter gets out 62% of the time, the probablity of 11 consecutive outs = .0052
I’m missing something.
I DEMAND A FULL REFUND OF MY SUBSCRIPTION AND A PERSONAL APOLOGY
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
Selective Endpoints!
A lot of people like to make fun of YouTube commenters. I think all you need to know about them is that, of the last 62 comments left on the ad’s page that express an opinion, 61 were positive.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
At least I can respect that explanation.
If he were just holding out for unreasonable levels of swag, as Blowers and Sims were joking about last night, it’d be one thing, but if he collects them, fair enough. And he’s not a Mariners fan, so the fact that it was a fairly minor milestone ball probably didn’t matter to him. Nor should it.
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
A Loafie HR ball too, and to the right side. Both of those facts make that a pretty rare HR ball.
It’s not like some players that hit a lot of them all over the place, completely devalued. Loafie might be on to something here, manipulating the market value of his HR balls.
I thought it was entertaining that others around them thought he was ball-hogging it a bit
leaping over the seats to get to it
Well that's about 50% less douchey than I expected
by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 23, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I still think it's kinda douchey, but we all have our collections.
And if a Jose Lopez home run ball isn’t worth much, I guess neither is a different ball with his autograph.
But for me, I’d much prefer to shake a ballplayer’s hand and get an autograph and let him keep his ball.
Seriously.
Wouldn’t a signed ball (or bat which was allegedly offered) be a much cooler story? The guy already has 11 previous home run balls. Add a bat to that collection! He’s being a douchebag to everyone, including himself.
I will say, though, the security looked the most douchey in this incident.
You don’t grab the guy by the arm like you are going to kick him out of the stadium.
It was more important to him to keep the actual ball.
i get that and don’t think it’s douchey. It’s his right.
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
The thing about the story that makes him inconsistent is when he caught a Longoria ball.
He didn’t want to give it back, but at least he offered. Longoria declined and still signed the ball. I just don’t see why he didn’t so the same with Lopez.
Because he's not a Mariner fan but he is a Rays fan.
Why should he care what Lopez wants? If I caught a Longoria ball i’d either keep it or give it to the nearest kid; if I caught a Lopez ball that he wanted back I’d give it to him for nothing.
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
point still stands.
He’s not a Mariner fan, so why should he care?
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
That's a douchey attitude.
“why should he care”
• Hey, I’m doubled parked and someone wants to leave? Why should I care?
• Oh look, someone is having trouble lifting that box and needs help. Why should I care?
• I just grabbed a ball which represents a career milestone for someone and the person would like to have it back. Why should I care?
This has become off-topic to Jeff’s post, but can you see why what the guy did is perceived to be as being douchey? Yeah, it’s his right, yadda yadda. But having an attitude of “why should I care” is at the height of douchebaggery.
I disagree.
The ticket states he has the right to keep the ball if it comes his way, so he kept the ball. It’s not what you would do, but that doesn’t make it douchey. He has no emotional investment in any Mariner player, and he has an emotional investment in his caught-home-run collection, so he figured that keeping the actual home run ball would make him happier than accepting a replica. Fair enough.
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
He has the right to do it, but giving the ball to Lopez would be much classier.
Not doing the classy thing doesn’t necessarily make him a douche, but iI don’t see it as a benign action either.
by Aaron Campeau on Sep 23, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Excercising your rights and being douchey aren't necessarily mutually exclusive
but I do agree with you that it’s well within his right to keep the ball.
by seattlebruin on Sep 23, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Its true he has the right in regards to what is within the rules.
But I think that it’s still a douche thing to do. The guy has several more balls at home, and can expect to get more if he continues to go to games. Loafie may not have another chance to get a ball like that.
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
I really hope his comment at the end
about sitting in right field next time was a really genius/subtle joke about Loafie.
by Karma Police on Sep 23, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS FUCK HAS TWO LOPEZ HOMER BALLS THIS SEASON
AND I DIDN’T EVEN GET THE ONE HE HIT RIGHT AT ME? BULLSHIT I SAY BULLSHIT
by seattlebruin on Sep 23, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
The positive comments HAVE to be (to some extent anyway) jokes.
Some of my favorites:
“This is easily the most significant and important commercial in the last 10 years. Period. "
“this is even more epic than that reeses cup commercial with Jupiter by holst "
“I never thought I’d be emotionally moved watching a caveman running in slow motion to Three Doors Down… but there you have it. I thoroughly enjoy this commercial. "
“God bless this commercial. I would eat a 2 week old fortune cookie out of that cavemans shit stained butthole. "

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