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Series Preview: Seattle Mariners @ Tampa Bay Rays

Seattle: 78-72
Tampa Bay: 77-73

SUMMARY

MARINERS RAYS
EDGE
HITTING (wOBA)
-91.7 (30th)
54.6 (5th) TBA
FIELDING (UZR)
76.2 (1st)
58.0 (3rd) SEA
ROTATION (pRAA)
-36.0 (23rd)
-6.4 (17th) TBA
BULLPEN (pRAA)
-24.6 (29th)
-17.8 (23rd) TBA
OVERALL(RAA)
-76.1 88.4 Tampa Bay






 

So we took two out of three from the Yankees. You want another example of why the postseason is random? If this past series was a first round matchup, we would be up 2-1 and have Felix Hernandez available to pitch in one of the two remaining games. We would be something like 70% favorites to knock the Yankees, the best team in the American League by far, out of the playoffs.

Baseball has reached a decent conclusion that it takes roughly 162 games to determine whether a team deserves to make the playoffs or not. So much of that is because individual games are so largely influenced by non-deterministic factors and the individual pitching match up. NFL games, as a contrast, contain about ten times more information about the team's relative strengths as an individual baseball games. Which is why they play about 1/10th as many games. It's not the only reason of course, but each major sport generally settles at the number of games and playoff berths that produces the same probabilistic equations for standard deviation and variance when it comes to playoff qualification. It's just one of those things.

So then, it strikes me as weird how baseball willfully accepts such a flukey playoff system. And then it struck me as weird that we as a culture so readily accept the idea of playoffs at all. I would hope that most people acknowledge that the team with the best regular season record is most likely the most talented team that season.* So why playoffs? Entertainment is not logical.

* Exceptions made for blithering idiots who subscribe fully to "clutch", "getting things done when it counts", and other such drivel that belongs aside phrenology and alchemy.

GAMES

Game 1: Ryan Rowland-Smith* vs. Jeff Niemann
Game 2: Brandon Morrow vs. TBA

Two game series. Apparently the second game seems likely started by either Wade Davis or Andy Sonnanstine, but whatever, Brandon Morrow is starting for us, so tune in if you like three ball counts.

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Way back before my time the best record in each league went straight to the World Series.

I’ll be those pennant races were way more intense than the ones we have now.

by Sec 108 on Sep 22, 2009 12:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I personally love the madness of the playoffs.

But it would be nice to see the team with the best record in each league get at least some sort of acknowledgment. A participation trophy or something.

by Teej on Sep 22, 2009 12:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm trying to figure out why we as a culture seem so uniquely infatuated with postseason play

that is intentionally designed to be more random than the normal season.

by Matthew on Sep 22, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like to think of it as separate from the regular season

The regular season tells you who’s the best. The playoffs are intended strictly for entertainment.

by Jeff on Sep 22, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, the playoffs are very much baseball played more like football

Once the offdays are added and the rotations are shortened, the nature of the game is changed

by Poochie on Sep 22, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

I grew up with it, and I think there are situations where it may make sense – the NFL makes more sense to me, given the smaller number of regular season games coupled with severely imbalanced schedules. But baseball? I don’t get it, and I’d like to think I still wouldn’t get it even if 2001 had never happened.

by marc w on Sep 22, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In some sports

a playoff would actually help us determine who really is the best! (Cough)College Football(Cough)

But for pro sports I dunno.

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by bluemax on Sep 22, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could sort of understand them in baseball before

when the two leagues were separate if you viewed them as a way of judging which of the best teams from each league is the best or whatever.

But now with interleague play does that even matter?

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by bluemax on Sep 22, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Match-ups

Generally, the idea of the postseason is the gather a certain number of teams with the best record and have them duke it out in an elimination system. We, as a culture, associate this as “finding out who the best of the best is”.

by ThundaPC on Sep 22, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But doesn't 162 games against every other team in the league

give a good idea of who the best team is? Why is “best of the best” preferable to “best of them all?”

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Sep 22, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So here's a question.

If say, the Dodgers win 102 games and the Yankees win 97 games. Do we just say the Dodgers are the best team in baseball?

by ThundaPC on Sep 22, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or, to take something more concrete.

Were the 2008 Angels the best team in baseball (the only team with 100 wins)?

by ThundaPC on Sep 22, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see why not.

Baseball doesn’t play a balanced schedule any more but you could make the case that most regular season wins = best team in baseball. This gets closer to my dream of returning to the day when there was no interleague play, a single winner from each league and those two teams met for the championship.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Sep 22, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our bad is twice as bad as our good

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Sep 22, 2009 12:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

if baseball would just go to a point system like soccer

we wouldn’t have to worry about this playoff nonsense.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Sep 22, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

They do have knockout cup competitions in soccer

FA Cup, for instance.
But they have declined in glory.

The Champions League, which is very loosely analogous to the MLB system with league then knockout phases, has sapped a much of the excitement out of the old European Cup.

Danny Blanchflower Lives!

by Colm on Sep 22, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Draws!

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Sep 22, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i would be so mad to sit through

9 innings of Pirates v Mets and see a scoreless draw result.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Sep 22, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know, I'm dreading it.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Sep 22, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I don't even feel I get enough of my baseball fill as it is...

Even reading LL, USSM, Fangraphs, and Tango daily, watching M’s games and whatever other nationally televised games there are, and keeping up with 2 fantasy teams.

by lailaihei on Sep 22, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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