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Offday Thoughts On TV Broadcast Crews

Over the course of my years and particularly through the use of MLB.tv, I have encountered and listened to many teams' announcers. What follows is my personal, 100% subjective ranking of them. There is no formula. Feel free to disagree with as many of these as you'd like. How you feel about broadcast crews is a matter of taste, and I don't expect that everyone's tastes align with my own. This is just something to start a dialogue.

If a team isn't listed, assume I haven't listened to them. As you can imagine, this goes for a lot of the NL.

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Tier 1 (My favorites)

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Mariners: I know I'm biased, but any broadcast that can balance the lovably enthusiastic Dave Sims, the lovably unaware Dave Niehaus, and conversations about UZR and The Hardball Times is a broadcast I can dig. I've heard lots of fans of other teams complain about our group, but as far as I'm concerned, realistically I couldn't ask for a better collection of guys to be the voice of my favorite team.

Red Sox: Having gone to a four-year college in New England, I watched a lot of NESN, and though I hated the Red Sox and everything they stood for, I always enjoyed listening to Jerry and Don. They're funny, they're entertaining, they know their stuff, they don't take themselves too seriously...they're not the most intellectual team around, but I wouldn't expect them to be. They're announcers, and they're excellent at what they do. By far my favorite part of the whole Red Sox experience.

Giants: I love Jon Miller. Love him.

Nationals: Okay so this is a weird choice, since I haven't really ever listened to the Nationals broadcast in my life (and who has?), but there's one particular call of theirs that I'll never forget. Allow me to set the stage. The Nationals are 2.5 out of the wild card in the middle of September, while the 72-74 Padres are leading their division. Facing San Diego, it's 5-0 Washington in the bottom of the ninth.

Jay Bergmann pitching
Eric Young walks
Ramon Hernandez strikes out
Joey Eischen pitching
Brian Giles flies out
Xavier Nady singles
Travis Hughes pitching
Joe Randa singles, 5-1
Chad Cordero pitching
Mark Loretta walks
Khalil Greene homers, 5-5

Go here, scroll down to the 17th, and watch the clip of Greene's grand slam. I don't even know if that guy is still around in the same capacity, but as my first and only exposure to the Washington broadcast crew, I don't think I could've had a more fitting experience.

Oh no!

Slays me every time.

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Tier 2 (Enjoyable but missing a certain something)

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Yankees: Lots of people love to complain about Michael Kay's sensational voice and tendency towards histrionics, but I find him to be generally agreeable most of the time, and pleasantly objective. He's not my favorite announcer, and the guys with him are usually lousy, but I feel like this broadcast gets a bad rap. Go beyond the trademark home run call and it's a pretty good show.

Rays: I watched the Rays an awful lot a year ago, and though nothing stands out and I don't really have any anecdotes, I seem to recall them being all right and not the least bit objectionable. I just remember not liking one of the voices. I think it was Staats. Dewayne Staats? Really? I don't know what black people were thinking when they took that name from us. It's horrible.

Orioles: Jim Palmer never ceases to come off like a giant tool, but Gary Thorne possesses maybe my favorite all-time voice in broadcasting, and because of his work with the NHL when I was growing up he also has sentimental value. It doesn't hurt that, on top of that, he tends to know what he's talking about.

Dodgers: I'm sure a lot of people will raise all kinds of hell for my not making Scully a Tier 1, but he's just not my style. Is that so wrong? Yeah, I get it. You have wonderful memories of listening to Dodger games on the radio and having Scully paint a vivid picture of everything taking place on the field. But I just like my announcers to get a little excited is all. While Scully's great at what he does, there are other guys I like more. I can appreciate that Mozart was a phenomenal talent, but I'd rather listen to Grieg.

Diamondbacks: I don't know much about this one except that they use Win Expectancy sometimes and Mark Grace is a crazy person.

Padres: I'll be honest, I haven't watched a lot of Padres game this year, but they did find a guy who sounds just like Matt Vasgersian to replace Matt Vasgersian, and that scores major points because Vasgersian might've been my favorite announcer of all time. A year ago these guys would've been an easy Tier 1, if not Tier 0. Now they get a sort of speculative and residual Tier 2. Mark Grant is goofy in a way that doesn't drive me bananas.

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Tier 3 (Ordinary, unremarkable, and/or boring)

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Blue Jays: I know I've watched Blue Jay games before, but I don't remember the first thing about what their broadcast was like. However, I would remember stupid, so I'm putting them here because I've no reason to think they're bad.

Twins: Bert Blyleven makes it really really hard to want him in the Hall of Fame. But outside of his little quirks I find this broadcast to be pretty vanilla.

Indians, Royals, A's: I'm putting all three of them together because all three of them share a common propensity to lull me to sleep. I don't really take naps. I find that, whenever I wake up from a nap, I'm all out of sorts for a couple hours. But every time I'm watching one of these broadcasts I find myself leaning back and positioning myself in my chair in a way I consider least conducive to falling out and hurting myself should I drift off. I don't know how many times I've been watching a game against one of these teams and had the scoreboard suddenly skip ahead a few innings because the announcers' voices sapped me of the energy necessary to complete the second half of a blink.

The worst of the three is Cleveland because those guys had the audacity to call our defense bad the other week.

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Tier 4 (Annoying and/or stupid)

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Tigers: Stupid.

Astros: Stupid.

Rockies: Stupid.

Rangers: Annoying and stupid. Shut up, Jim Knox. Shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up

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Tier 5 (Complete and total retards)

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White Sox: Everybody hates these guys for a reason. I swear to God, more people know the White Sox for their broadcast than for their baseball. Hawk Harrelson is so bad that when I was watching a Red Sox game and they had him on as a guest, he dragged an entire inning down from Tier 1 to Tier 4. He's won five Emmys (ed. note: Emmies?)! Five! Jesus, I can't get my train of thought. Get? Find? These guys make me so angry I don't even remember which verb to use when describing your condition after losing your train of thought. I guess I don't really have to write much here since it's become almost trite to rip these guys to pieces. They suck. Ye gods do they ever suck. The good news is that Darrin Jackson moved to radio, but when you've got Hawk on the broadcast it's hard to notice anyone else.

Angels: Most of the time, Angel fans don't agree with me on anything, so I think it says something when even they can't stand their own announcers. Physioc has this air of pompous insincerity about him, like a more prevalent Rick Rizzs, but at least Rizzs has a good voice. He also has this way of speaking that makes him sound kind of leery and dubious, like no matter what he's talking about, he picks his words very carefully because he thinks that things could change any second. I dunno, it's a difficult quality to put into words, but it drives me crazy. He makes confident statements sound smug but uncertain. And then there's Hudler. For a guy who spent 21 years in professional baseball, Hudler doesn't seem to have a very good idea of how the game is won. But that doesn't stop him from making obnoxious interjections whenever he sees fit. Cliches! Cliches! Have you heard these cliches? The cutesy little nicknames ("The Wizard of O.C."?) just put him over the top. He's way too high-strung for a guy who smokes so much weed.

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Tampa also has the fabulously-named Whit Watson.

The Marlins have Rich Waltz, whom I have always liked. Pleasant, which (for some reason) goes a long way with a baseball game.

by msb on Aug 3, 2009 3:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Rich Waltz is the first person I thought of when I saw this list.

He is at least a Tier 2 if not a Tier 1. I wish he was the person to replace Rizzs, but I guess we are already spoiled with Niehaus and Sims so I can’t complain.

by Wilder. on Aug 3, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could not stand Rich Waltz when he was with the Mariners.

But I love him with the Marlins. I very much enjoy the Florida broadcast altogether.

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Aug 3, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

His commentary doesn't seem as forced.

And he doesn’t have the same annoying “Hi! I’m a barrel of sunshine!” attitude about him.

I don’t know, maybe that was mostly FSN’s doing, but I like him alot more now.

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Aug 4, 2009 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really hate the A's announcers, but love the Giants.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

p.p.s. why does geoff baker hate felix

by InSpokane on Aug 3, 2009 3:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Jon Miller is severely underappreciated

He’s probably right up there with Scully for me. I’m not a fan of histrionics – I like Sims well enough, and I appreciate emotion when it’s earned, but too many announcers these days treat a double into the gap like it was live coverage of V-E day or something, when in reality it was just a pedestrian RBI double in a relatively meaningless game. Miller shows more emotion than Scully, but they both have fantastic voices and fantastic perspectives on the game – and Miller, like Scully, knows when to get out of the way and let the action do the talking.

Miller also tells great stories.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Aug 3, 2009 3:19 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I heard a podcast with him once

where he busted out his Scully and a few others as well, and they were all fantastic.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Aug 3, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does he really have a bad rap? With anybody?

I thought everyone loved Jon Miller.

by marc w on Aug 3, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was in the same boat until about five years ago when I took a trip to San Francisco

and got to listen to Miller do Giants games for the first time. A few innings of that changed my mind.

by BrianL on Aug 3, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, ok, I understand that he's associated with Morgan, and Morgan's annoying

but I didn’t think anyone thought Miller – just Miller – was awful. I see oceanbird does, so I guess someone does.

by marc w on Aug 3, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always like

hearing him subtly jab Morgan when he says things that are either contradictory or that make no sense. Its especially fun to hear when Morgan is actually observant enough to pick up on it, get pissy about it (the whole “I played the game” thing), and then Miller continues to tease him throughout the inning.

holy shit its christmas.

by yteimlad on Aug 3, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

agreed

and he does so subtley and with so much class that Morgan seems petty for getting upset.

by uneasy rider on Aug 4, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I rooted for the Giants for a whole season...

…when I found out he did more than just Sunday Night Baseball. The only way I can explain it is “It just sounds like baseball!”

by GhettoBear04 on Aug 3, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I caught a Jim Palmer-called O's game this summer,

and he was just killing the umpire for bad ball/strike calls. He wouldn’t let it go, berating the guy for at least three innings. He even called for the umpire to be fired at one point. I’d never heard anything like it, and had always assumed there was some rule (written or unwritten) preventing announcers from criticizing umpiring.

by waldo rojas on Aug 3, 2009 3:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe that's a MASN thing, then.

Happens with Nats broadcasts frequently, although I always chalked it up to taking frustrations out on bystanders when you’re following a bad team.

Eric Berry for sending the guy who wins the Heisman spinning 720 degrees in the air at the podium - or for intercepting it and returning it to where it rightfully belongs

by Graysnail on Aug 3, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bad news, Jeff

That guy in the Nationals’ cast is no longer with the broadcast team. It’s Bob Carpenter and Rob Dibble now, who have the occasional tendency to veer into useful but more often than not channel a sober Bob Uecker in Major League. With the way this season has gone, that’s fitting.

Eric Berry for sending the guy who wins the Heisman spinning 720 degrees in the air at the podium - or for intercepting it and returning it to where it rightfully belongs

by Graysnail on Aug 3, 2009 3:22 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

NO!

Well, whatever. Memories.

by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 3, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's also fitting, somehow.

Eric Berry for sending the guy who wins the Heisman spinning 720 degrees in the air at the podium - or for intercepting it and returning it to where it rightfully belongs

by Graysnail on Aug 3, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dibble also has the occasional tendency to be terrible.

Carpenter I don’t mind, but Dibble’s always struck me as the Joe Morgan type of “I played the game, your new ideas confuse me and are worth nothing because you did not play the game.” Also it’s kind of charming when a TV personality admits that they don’t know something or are surprised by something, but when your entire shtick seems to be dumb ballplayer who has no interest in learning a damn thing, it gets a little grating.

Speaking of MASN/MASN2, the Orioles crew (Thorne-Palmer) is worlds better, although that might just be because I have a thing for Gary Thorne’s voice that I can’t explain rationally.

by pmc47 on Aug 3, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

But on nights when Thorne isn't there

Ye gods is the Orioles broadcast nauseating.

by rlintott on Aug 4, 2009 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seconded.

He’s like a fan sitting next to you, except better.

by kentcheesehead on Aug 3, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Listening to Uecker is better than watching the games.

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by Jack Moore on Aug 3, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The nailed the bottom two.

In fact I can hardly find fault with the entire list. I agree about Kay – and I think Miller is awesome, but am I correct in believing that he is radio-only?

I would have included the ESPN broadcasts, which save for Miller are almost exclusively terrible. And FOX … sweet jesus.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Aug 3, 2009 3:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Kay is alright

but the Yankees radio casts are just awful. Just downright awful.

by Matthew on Aug 3, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed. That "Yannnkkkkeeeessss Win" call is almost as bad as Hawk's.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Aug 3, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

My favorite John Sterling moment

…was when the batter cranked one into left-center, and John started in on his trademark homerun call… “THAT ball is high…. mmmit is farrr… IT is GONE! … It’s an A-Bomb!….”

dead silence for a full 4 seconds as he realizes he’s describing an Hideki Matsui homer as an A-bomb

“…well it would have been an a-bomb, if it was a-rod… instead, it’s another thrilla, from godzilla…”

by Spoomeister on Aug 3, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

"He's won five Emmys (ed. note: Emmies?)! "

Note that they don’t mention that they were regional Emmy Awards, for the broadcast.

by msb on Aug 3, 2009 3:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Listening to Rizzs, sometimes it feels like a play on the field is interrupting his story.

He’s alright though, I complain about him from time to time but only in comparison to the other Mariner broadcasters. The Mariners really do have a nice radio crew.

by Kermit. on Aug 3, 2009 3:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Almost Certainly in the Minority Here...

But I find Hawk endearingly ridiculous. It’s like he’s 70 years old, but also 10 and the biggest Sox fan in the world. As long as he stays away from the GM’s office, Hawk is okay by me.

Also, I don’t think our broadcast crew is very good. Sims is enthusiastic, but also just kind of bad at what he does. Listening to Niehaus has become painful. Rizzs is good at the slick broadcaster part, but terrible at the personality part. He’s like one of those guys (second cousins, step uncles, etc.) that comes out of the woodwork at your family reunion, puts his arm around, and talks at you for an hour while breathing coffee breath in your face.

by paulkersey on Aug 3, 2009 3:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Painful in that his voice is getting weaker by the season and in that he can barely keep up with the action of the game. His stories are great, and I love him. But he’s not the broadcaster he was ten (or even five) years ago.

by paulkersey on Aug 3, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please don't forget to use the subject line next time.

Thank you!

Oh, and calling Sims bad at broadcasting is an empirically false accusation.

by katal on Aug 3, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I don’t think he has a very good voice for one thing. He can get a little cute trying to describe plays and end up confusing himself and the viewers too. I also find, as someone else mentioned, his transition from calm to excited to be very painful.

The charming thing about Sims is that he seems like he came there for amateur hour, and he can’t believe they gave him a full-time job. That’s fine, but it only takes you so far.

by paulkersey on Aug 3, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Demonstrably false

I hated Sims when he first started, but he’s really grown on me in the last couple years.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Aug 4, 2009 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Also, I don’t think our broadcast crew is very good."

You weren’t around for the Hendu days, were you?

I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.

by ralphie81 on Aug 4, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The A's announcers are pretty brutal

Its hard to even follow the flow of the game when listening to them.

by Edgar for Pres on Aug 3, 2009 4:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Gotta disagree here.

I like Korach and Fosse. Maybe part of the reason I like Fosse is that he is actually such a nice guy.

by Paytheline on Aug 3, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Korach is awesome, but

I think Jeff was talking about TV guys only. Korach is on radio.

Fosse is kind of a dope, but in a likable way.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Aug 4, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would've stuck the Padres' team in the last teir.

Tony Gywnn has a terrible voice for braidcasting. It sounds like he clipped his nose with a clothes pin. I don’t know why that irks me so much. Maybe it’s because we have to hear him during the playoffs too.

by levnclf on Aug 3, 2009 4:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I just want to hear him announcing when

his kid fucks something up and loses the game for the Padres.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

This reminds me of when Brett Boone was in the booth

during the 2003 ALCS. His brother hits a playoff series winning homer and he says absolutely nothing. He didn’t say much the entire night, but I wondered at the time if he was silent because of happiness or jealousy. It seems like he would have let out a shriek of some kind if he were happy, so I imagined that he was just stewing there, wishing it were him. What an awkward moment that would be for everyone else in the booth.

holy shit its christmas.

by yteimlad on Aug 3, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boone was in the booth just after he left the Nationals this spring

He touched on a few of the topics in the newspaper article recently linked in the sidebar. He and Niehaus are fairly comfortable together, Boone had a terrific presence on the air and a good voice. Really surprised me, it was pretty good.

by Kermit. on Aug 3, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bret.

and what Bret Boone was doing in the booth is what Bret does when he gets emotional— he was crying … "Fox Sports displayed a vivid collection of images thereafter: tears welling up in the eyes of Aaron’s brother, Seattle Mariners infielder Bret Boone (the guest announcer), ALCS MVP Mariano Rivera running to the mound and collapsing on it in joy, and Boone jumping on home plate and Rivera being carried off on his teammates’ shoulders. "

by msb on Aug 3, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Incidentally

I was just watching that game the other day, and when they cut to Boone in the press box, I think he was just overwhelmed. He looked so genuinely happy he was crying.

by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 3, 2009 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That ALCS was interesting ...

people remember Boone as not saying anything that series, which was pretty true the first game, but the 2nd night he was more vocal, and he let his sense of humor show through, he teased McCarver and even challenged him at times, making Tim admit he was wrong (gasp) and actually appear human.

by msb on Aug 3, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't stop watching that Nationals clip.

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by Jack Moore on Aug 3, 2009 4:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he's not with them anymore.

Now they have Bob Carpenter. A quick browsing through their top plays should tell you all you need to know about him.

by levnclf on Aug 3, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I enjoy Carpenter and Dibble actually

Dibble’s one of those guys who actually says interesting basebally things that aren’t just the same old cliches. Though, he’s still Rob Dibble. I think Neyer wrote about this weird fact during the Dibble/Neyer/Law spat. Not a bad broadcast.

Gary Thorne on MASN is also awesome. Heard him drop, “according to sabermetric studies, you need to be stealing at a 75% clip for it to be worthwhile” last week.

I don’t think Palmer works many games these days.

by Will McDonald on Aug 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vin Scully doesn't get excited anymore because he's old

Knocking him is a little bit like knocking Steve Carlton because you only saw his last few seasons. Sure he’s hung around too long but don’t think that takes away from his earlier work.

by BFR on Aug 3, 2009 4:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This true of all announcers.

Niehaus is not what he once was. Harray Caray was flipping crazy by the end.

by Sec 108 on Aug 3, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

h caray

Before Monday’s Mahler/Furness KJR crosstalk segment, they played some clip of Harry Caray riffing about a scenario where a kid opens a box of Cracker Jack and doesn’t find anything in the box and how that’s false advertising. His color guy points out that Caray sings about Cracker Jack every night in the seventh inning, but Harry says he only does it because that lyric is in the song. The whole clip was just so bizarre that at the beginning, I was imagining Will Ferrell doing the impression because the subject matter was just so off the wall with where Harry was going with it.

“It’s a simple question: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs?”
“…if we didn’t dream, our brains would devour themselves, in madness and paranoia. The Viet Cong knew that. That’s why they used sleep deprivation as a form of torture!”

Sports and Bremertonians. Because we can.

by wackomann on Aug 4, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have so many favorite Caray moments.

All time best was tape I cam across years ago that a friend had. It was Caray doing a White Sox game and there was no way you could miss him getting more and more drunk as the game went on. The whole “bottom of the 5th” joke in Major League was actually something a subtle jab at Caray’s younger days.

Anothe favorite was one game when John Hudek came in to pitch for the Royals and Caray went all Beavis and Butthead. He kept saying Hudek and giggling over and over. Classic. That guy was nuts in a fun way.

by Sec 108 on Aug 4, 2009 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well unfortunately I missed Scully's peak

and this is really just a subjective evaluation of what they are now (or, in the Nationals’ case, what they were in 2005).

by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 3, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But what about Niehaus then?

Do you really think that he’s a huge asset in 2009 if you take out the nostalgia factor and focus only on game calling abilities?

by BFR on Aug 3, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Niehaus is currently being fazed out until he decides to retire, so it's not like anyone has to listen to him for nine innings every game.

And though Niehaus isn’t the same game-caller he used to be, he can still make a great call (“Give me some of that ole time religion!”). Scully has never been particularly exciting; he’s always been known for setting the mood and allowing the game to dictate the emotion.

by Wilder. on Aug 3, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's doing pretty close to 9 innings.

It’s not like Ernie Harwell’s last few years where he needed someone to hold his hand during the broadcast. Some other guy did play by play while Ernie did something like color commentary. Niehaus has given up on pitch recognition and makes mistakes, but is still enjoyable.

by yuniform on Aug 3, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, you're right.

I’m just clearly biased because I love Dave Sims and I love that they’ve talked about UZR.

by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 3, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder what Scully's peak even was?

all these guys are the same. if you spend 40 years in the broadcast media in a low-stakes game like sports, people will love you. if you are in a major market, with usually good teams, you’re some weird combination of santa claus, cronkite and their dad

insert “he was a member of the family for 50 years” cliche here

by Will McDonald on Aug 3, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: "weird combination of santa claus, cronkite and their dad"

And that may be underestimating it.
Just remember that the M’s used to be on TV a handful of times… in Seattle. Dave was santa claus because he gave you the game, and he was Cronkite because he was so authoritative and trustworthy (Dave says it was a strike that was called a ball…the umpire missed it, simple as that), and he was my dad because I think I heard him say more words than my dad.

Yes, Harwell/Scully/Niehaus/Chick Hearn/Mel Allen/etc. fans all have the same experience, but it’s not cheapened because of that. It’s just that they were miles ahead of the legion of interchangeable Physiocs/Underwoods/Lewins/Lefebvres/Bremers of the world.

This is not logical, and I don’t care.

by marc w on Aug 3, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was having this argument the other day.

I think the action on the field is exciting enough for me, and so I don’t mind the more sedate announcers. I guess this is probably a reaction to listening to Hudler.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I've been in LA too long

but I still find Scully enjoyable, the way he lets the moment play out, the way he describes the action, and all of his quaint little anecdotes and sayings. I will miss him a lot when he retires, which sadly is in the very near future.

The Dodgers back up crew is passable. Nothing too extreme and nothing too bland.

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by bluemax on Aug 3, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not in LA but feel the same way

All that, plus that Scully has such a distinctive, cool voice that imparts easygoing gravitas. Vin is the man.

by lemonverbena on Aug 3, 2009 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rizzs and Niehaus both have great voices.

Only Niehaus has good stories to fill the gaps though. I find Sims entertaining, but I don’t like his game-calling abilities. Especially on home runs, he sounds really bored and then all of a sudden OH MY GOD IT’S GONE!

Milwaukee should really be up on Tier 1. And I think Cleveland should be in Tier 4. I found them to be really, really stupid.

FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Fuckmikereilly on Aug 3, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Another thumbs up from be for Jon Miller

Gotta be my favorite baseball announcer “voice” to listen to. He sounds more natural doing it than anyone I’ve heard. I could listen to him all day

by Karma Police on Aug 3, 2009 4:10 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

ugh

“from me”, not “from be”

by Karma Police on Aug 3, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get all the Jon Miller love

but his voice is associated with Joe Morgan, and so I can’t help but get that “fight or flight” response when I tune into a Giants game.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He and Sims should have a Gutierrez-off

…which isn’t as dirty as it sounds, honest.

by Spoomeister on Aug 3, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miller can pronounce hispanic names way better.

He’d crush Sims.

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by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now we've all hit on my pet peeve

Sims overpronounces Gutierrez, but does not do the same for Lopez, Ichiro, or any of the other non-western European names. if you’re going to overpronounce one, do them all – otherwise it’s just an annoying affectation.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Aug 4, 2009 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Gutz specifically ask Sims to pronounce it that way?

I’ve heard that story a couple times on LL, but I’ve never seem it in print or heard it on a broadcast. Is it something that Sims mentioned in the booth?

by Decatur on Aug 4, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have not heard that actually

if it’s true I guess I should rethink my annoyance.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Aug 4, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

I associate him with announcing the Homerun Derby.

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angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh. My mistake.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, chubby white guy on ESPN.

Easy mistake for someone used to looking at spasming Gary Busey all day.

by Sec 108 on Aug 3, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with nearly all of this

I live in LA and occasionally watch Angels games (in the vain hope that one day they might lose a baseball game) but I litterally need to turn the sound off because of the inane nattering of Phys / Hud. And I have an aversion to watching TV with the sound off – it creeps me out for some reason.

However, I quite enjoy watching Texas broadcasts. The games I’ve seen, those guys seem to intentionally talk about anything except baseball. It’s gloriously bad stuff.

by bochte! on Aug 3, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

THE WONDERDOG

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by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 4:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's been said to death about how terrible the Angels broadcast is (especially Hud)

but I will state for the record that I always use the opposing team feed, unless it’s the White Sox, in which case the game is watched muted.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 4:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To be fair, he isn't really allowed to talk in that game.

It’s mostly Vasgersian and that other guy I hear the most when playing.

Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?

by Benne on Aug 3, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could do with the Hawk's "Put in on the board..."

it’s easier to listen to than, say, “A Tex Message” or “An A-bomb from A-Rod” in New York, which I just find irritating. On the other hand, “He gone” is just terrible.

SportsCenter always seems to air the TV-audio clip of Rich Waltz down in Florida. I do enjoy his enthusiasm.

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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Aug 3, 2009 4:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I miss Rich Waltz

He was a great fill-in guy for M’s broadcasts years ago, and he was the only tv voice of the Tacoma Rockets WHL team, so he’ll hold the position for me that Thorne holds for Jeff.

by marc w on Aug 3, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually like the Angels crew.

I find Hudler entertaining, and to be honest, I judge all these crews by their willingness to offer praise to the M’s. And Hudler will compliment the M’s guys, and he has a good idea of who each guy is and how they’ve performed.

The other guy is very pompous, but I judge the play by play man on his opposing team homerun call or big hit or big strikeout, and this guy does give a consistent call regardless if it’s the Angels or the M’s.

I don’t know, I just don’t have issue with them. Hudler is too happy go-lucky to hate in my opinion.

I lost respect for the Yankees broadcast when they hammered our defense in that series last month. I just couldn’t take listening to them repeat 4-5 times a game that we are one of the worst defensive teams. That type of ignorance turns me off.

The best crew in my opinion is the Mets. Gary Cohen, Keith Hernandez and Ron Darling are fantastic. They rip their team when warranted. Cohen is great on the call. Hernandez is a goofball who tells it like it is, even if he rips the Mets players. And Darling is a very articulate color guy.

by Rudy4three on Aug 3, 2009 4:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Calling bullshit on Hudler knowing his stuff.

All he knows is the same mindless crap mlb.com other broadcasts know. Just this year he was talking up what an awesome defender Yuni is, and how he’s got a pretty good bat too.

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by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hudler doesn't know shit, but I honestly don't mind the Angels crew

I don’t mind Rex’s over enthusiasm, and I associate Physioc’s voice with UCLA basketball, so it makes me strangely contented.

by seattlebruin on Aug 3, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Steve Physioc

the voice of Pac 10’s third most interesting Football broadcast of the week.

With color commentary by Petros Papadakis.

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by bluemax on Aug 3, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think there's ever been an announcer that I needed a smaller sample size to blindly hate

than Petros Papadakis. And I have absolutely no justification for this.

by pmc47 on Aug 3, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Petros Papadakis is probably my least favorite non-ESPN personality

No real justification either, other than approximately 75% of what he says is stupid and I absolutely loathe his voice.

by Gihyou on Aug 3, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

I hate it when Huskies games have Petros announcing.

by yuniform on Aug 3, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm starting to find him fascinating.

Seriously, HOW do you get into broadcasting when you sound like that? This isn’t ‘Tony Gwynn has a nasal voice.’ This is ‘Thousands of ears are now bleeding because you opened your mouth.’

All because he was an injured FB for USC? What’s the real story here? What aren’t we being told?

by marc w on Aug 3, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moving up in the field isn't that mysterious

He grinded away as the sideline guy for USC radio broadcasts, then SC had their run of national titles, during which he got a shot with FSW.

Complete tool, incidentally.

by lemonverbena on Aug 4, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's pretty mysterious in this particular case.

He’s got a radio show, used to host a TV show (maybe he still does), and is the color man for regional CFB games (a pretty good gig). All with a voice that’s just not… conducive to broadcast media.
Ed Cunningham has been a sideline reporter and occasionally gets a color man role. He also played in the NFL, speaks intelligently and has a voice firmly within the ‘normal’ range. Why isn’t he as famous? Too vanilla?

by marc w on Aug 4, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't Ed in the booth now for ESPN's SEC games?

He is well known in the southeast because of it. In all honesty that is a much better gig than covering the Pac-10 for Fox.

by Sec 108 on Aug 4, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding. I didn't know he had that gig.

I see he was with Ron Franklin last year, which makes me think it was Big 12. It’s still a regional gig, though yeah, it’s a bit better than Pac-10 on Fox (though that’s got way more to do with the Pac 10’s lousy TV deal than Cunningham or Papadakis).

Point is, he’s actually really good at what he does.

by marc w on Aug 4, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is at that. Also one guy who shed his playing weight and seems very healthy.

I know a few ex-lineman and the biggest mistake many of them make is not getting down to normal human size when the stop playing.

by Sec 108 on Aug 4, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You like the Angels guys but not Sims?

To each their own, but that is the most bizarre thing imaginable.

by Wilder. on Aug 3, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On this topics, I'm watching the ESPN game tonight.

I really like Orel Hershiser. He seems very well spoken and knows what he knows and what he doesn’t know. He doesn’t step to far outside of himself in his analysis. He’s generally a highlight in ESPNs coverage.

by DCMariner on Aug 3, 2009 4:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like him as well.

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by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al Leiter was good too.

Use better former athletes, ESPN.

by Matthew on Aug 3, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of MLB, what are everyones thoughts on their network team?

I personally still love listening to Harold Reynolds enthusiasm. Mitch Williams and Billy Ripken are meatheads. We all know Matt V. is great. Anyone else stand out?

by DCMariner on Aug 3, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ol' Fuck Face is on MLBN?

I still want that baseball card.

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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Aug 3, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Mitch has been bad at all

Larkin however… a perfect successor to Morgan

by Will McDonald on Aug 3, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reynolds is great

although I still can’t help but think I’m listening to Chris Rock whenever he speaks.

I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.

by ralphie81 on Aug 4, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al Leiter

was the only good thing about Fox playoff broadcasts the last few years.

And fucking McCarver would always try to talk over him

Go Nova

by dbroncos31 on Aug 3, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I live in the Bay Area so I've grown used to Oakland and San Francisco

But I absolutely, cannot, stand, Jon Miller. That guy’s voice, to me at least, is so terrible. I cannot stand it! Luckily for Giants fans, he usually doesn’t do their games. Duane Kuiper is amazing. His brother Glen on the other hand? He has to be the most biased piece of shit to ever call a game. I hate him. Ray Fosse isn’t bad as their color guy though.

Carlos Silvelite

by OceanBird on Aug 3, 2009 4:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Isn't Kuiper the guy from MVP Baseball

Who would say shit like “Grab some pine meat!”

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by bluemax on Aug 3, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah, he's the play by play guy in MVP Baseball.

Mike Krukow is the guy who says that. (He’s a color guy for the real-life Giants as well)

by Coach Owens on Aug 3, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a Giants fan...

I really like all of their current broadcasters. Krukow can get to be a little much, but I think he’s a pretty entertaining counterpart to Kuiper & Miller. Dave Flemming has also grown on me… but the Giants had some pretty bad extra play-by-play guys, including Glen Kuiper a few years ago.

There was an awkwardly entertaining incident during the Giants-A’s series a few years ago when it was Glen & Duane doing the play-by-play together (they often have one person from each team when the two teams play each other.) Glen made an unfunny joke about how some recently-retired players would fit well on the then-ancient Giants, and there was crushingly awkward silence for about ten seconds before Duane changed the subject.

by peetah on Aug 4, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I live in New England

and have enjoyed the NESN broadcasts of Don and Jerry Remy, while not liking the Sox very much. This year hasn’t been as enjoyable since Remy took the season off to recover from removing a small tumor in his lung. The replacements have been varyingly tolerable. Hopefully Remy will be healthy next year so that I can listen to him and Don chronicle more pizza-throwing-douchebag hijinks.

by boomdonkey on Aug 3, 2009 5:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I find the NESN broadcasts pretty enjoyable.

Everynow and then I’ll pull up this video for a few chuckles:
Red Sox Pizza Toss

by DCMariner on Aug 3, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I've only seen that on SportsCenter.

Remy is priceless there. And I usually am indifferent on Remy.

by yuniform on Aug 3, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would Rather have 10 back to back 100 loss season than.....

Have to listen to Physioc and Hudler……

I think Tier 5 (Complete and total retards)
That is insulting retards.

by CSD on Aug 3, 2009 5:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Gotta disagree with the Orioles.

I mean, Thorne is awesome for NHL (he is even awesome on the NHL 09 game I have) but he is generally old school with baseball and doesn’t really add anything in the insight world. Another words, I disagree that he generally knows what he is talking about.

The other day he talked about defense, raving about Nick Markakis’ range (pfft), and discussed with another guy about the worst defenses in the AL. Seattle had the worst fielding percentage and they discussed how its been a huge sore spot for us this year. (wasn’t Palmer with him…cant remember his freaking name at all)…but he loves Felix so I forgive him.

As for Palmer, I agree. Biggest douchebag ever. Cant stand him. The Nationals have a better crop, IMO…but they aren’t too special. Obviously living in Maryland, im subjected to these teams all the time.

by Slica on Aug 3, 2009 5:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Tigers and Astros announcers are so awful, glad to see them near the bottom of the list.

Michael Kay is really good. His call of that Aubrey Huff homer off Joba (the one where Huff did the Joba fist pump) was great, he didn’t call Huff out for it like most homer announcer would, I don’t remember his exact words but he just admitted that Job objects himself to that kind of stuff by wearing his emotions on his sleeve. I really enjoy listening to Michael Kay call games.

by MFAN on Aug 3, 2009 5:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I must say I agree with Gary Thorne.

I also grew up listening to him announce NHL games after school.

And I feel the exact same about Vin Scully. I recognize he is good at what he does, but he puts me to sleep.

Rich Waltz has been mentioned a couple of times already. I thoroughly enjoyed him when he was with the Mariners and I was happy for him when he landed the play-by-play down in Florida.

Great list and I don’t see any glaring mistakes (other than omissions because you haven’t listened to every team enough to make a judgment; neither have I).

by Wilder. on Aug 3, 2009 5:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jim Knox

I don’t mean to defend the guy, but he does his job

The Rangers broadcast is geared to older audiences and ‘family’ types… the only losers dumb enough to follow this team anymore

So they trick it up with stupid interviews with boy scout troops, and little league baseball teams, and fireworks, and guys with paint on their faces…

I mean I think the guy’s got a bag just as much as you do, but if Fox is dumb enough to keep him around as the ‘feel-good’ behind-the-scenes reporter, you have to credit Knox for stealing their money

by oc on Aug 3, 2009 5:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So what, all the cool people in Texas follow the Astros now?

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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Aug 3, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So they're like ESPN and big FOX

They just substitute folksy, human interest crap for talking points and boring dugout interviews.

by discovolante on Aug 3, 2009 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know...

If you ever listen to a team’s post game show, where people call in and sound-off about the team… you can kinda gather the pulse of popular opinion… who follows the club… what they’re thinking…

For the Rangers’ it’s always been two types of people: the old folk who want to know when we’re going to get some pitching, and the soccer mom who brings her kids’ team to the Ballpark on Michael Young Yo-Yo Night

And that’s all Ranger fans are… the old folks and the mom. It’s no surprise to me FOX would choose to ‘entertain’ us in this fashion. That’s the audience they’re dealing with. Year after year the ratings have fallen by the wayside… nobody’s been complaining about Knox until now… conveniently as we’re in a playoff race.

by oc on Aug 4, 2009 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also the Oakland's game is a giant tool. Shooty or whatever his name is.

I’d take Bill Kruger over him any day, not that I like Bill just like him better.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

p.p.s. why does geoff baker hate felix

by InSpokane on Aug 3, 2009 5:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure who announces the Blue Jays

but he used to also announce the NHL and Triple Play games and it drives me batty.

by Robert on Aug 3, 2009 5:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Blue Jays announcers

Most of their games are broadcast on Rogers Sportsnet, a few are on TSN and maybe seven are on CBC.

The Sportsnet play-by-play announcer is Jamie Campbell, he will be along with either Rance Muliniks, Pat Tabler or Darren Fletcher. It’s a fun broadcast that doesn’t take itself too seriously. It’s not the greatest by any means, but I like listening to Jamie, him and Darren Fletcher work great in the booth together and Fletch uses some great baseball lingo and gives some good insight into the game.

When the games are broadcast on TSN Rod Black is the announcer with Pat Tabler, and when they are on CBC (which is maybe 10 games a year, on weekends only) Jim Hughson is the play by play with Jesse Barfield and Rance Muliniks in the booth. These guys were great.

by arniegrape2k on Aug 3, 2009 5:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

As a former Jays fan,

I’m happy to know that Rance Mulliniks is still employed. And if he played a decade later, his nickname would have to be Rance Rance Revolution.

by yuniform on Aug 3, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gary Thorne is my hero.

I adore his beautiful voice, but he won my everlasting love in the summer of 2004. He was on ESPN broadcasting a Sunday afternoon game where the Oakland A’s were visiting the Yankees. The other guy mentioned something about trying to get funds from the City to help fund the new stadium, and Gary totally laid into him,

I am just adamantly opposed to one single dollar of tax revenue or one single dollar of bond money being used by a municipality to build a damn ballpark for millionaires. I hate it. …

You know that the insect overlords at ESPN wouldn’t have approved, but Gary didn’t care. He went on and on about it for quite a while. It was totally awesome.

The A’s fans over at AN don’t like Gary Thorne because he’s constantly screwing up the names of our players, as if he’s never heard of them and doesn’t give a damn enough to learn their names (including now-Mariner Jack Hannahan, whom he insists on calling “Hanrahan”). I’m pretty sure it’s true: he probably doesn’t give a damn. But enh, I don’t care.

By the way, everyone on AN would totally agree about the bottom of your list. Everyone hates Hawk and Physioc-Hudler.

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by iglew on Aug 3, 2009 5:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I heard him call Nolan Reimold---Nolan Ryan quite a few times.

I think personally he excels with a better crew and doesn’t have as strong an interest in baseball as much as he does with hockey.

Like I said above, he is pretty good, and has a great voice—-im listening to him right now as I type this—-but he is a bit old school with baseball and doesn’t evaluate players as well as some of the others out there.

This may be why I keep having arguments with a few Oriole fans about why Markasis is not a great defender, why the Orioles OF defense is not the best in the league (yes this was suggested to me), why putouts/assists/era/rbis are unimportant. I think these fans get it from the broadcast. Then again, I did have someone tell me Tillman was overrated and has less potential than Bergeson…and I know Thorne and company didn’t say anything that stupid.

by Slica on Aug 3, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

matteau! matteau!

It’s my belief that only an ESPN contract keeps Thorne from doing NHL games on a national level. Luckily CBC has been carried on cable in the Seattle area (TCI/AT&T/Comcast) for a few decades now, but nowadays there are those early-round NHL playoff games where I don’t get TSN and I’m forced to watch Versus (unless they’re simulcasting TSN feed). Those are the series where a Thorne would really be an improvement over a Forslund or a Beninati. If that Detroit/Anaheim series a few months ago would have been called by Thorne instead, it would have been 20 times more enjoyable.

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by wackomann on Aug 4, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

correction

Played it back in my head, and that totally wasn’t Gary Thorne’s voice on the Matteau call. It was Howie Rose.

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by wackomann on Aug 4, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As for the A's announcers,

I feel no need to defend them. Honestly, I think you were a little generous to rank them as just blah as opposed to stupid.

I’ve been up here in WA for five years now and I only subscribe MLB audio, not video, so I haven’t seen much of the A’s TV guys recently. Fosse has been around since long before I moved so I know him well. He’s a dopey homer who is nothing special as a broadcaster, but he does have an exceptionally good rapport with the guys in the clubhouse so he earns his keep that way. I haven’t seen much of Kuiper the lesser, but from what I have seen he strikes me as an idiot.

On the radio we have both ends of the spectrum. Ken Korach is totally awesome: very smooth, very skilled, very professional (and great voice, too). Vince Cotroneo is a worthless yutz. His lame attempts to be funny consistently fail, and he is deficient in basic play-calling skills.

Korach’s smooth persona was a perfect match for long-time partner, the late Bill King, who could get pretty crazy sometimes. King was an institution for decades and was much beloved by fans for his excellent work. As a result I think a lot of folks overlooked the fact that he declined considerably in the last few years … exactly like a certain Mariners announcer. But Bill King retired from this world before he fell into complete incompetence, while Dave Niehaus continues his descent. Sorry, but it’s true.

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by iglew on Aug 3, 2009 6:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I personally can't stand Matt Underwood.

I’ve only heard a couple of his calls but he doesn’t seem to even get excited when something good happens with his own team. Like when Ichiro robbed Vitor Artinez of a game-tying homer on the 19th. Absolutely horrible call. Even before Ichiro caught it.

by Coach Owens on Aug 3, 2009 6:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The quality of the Jays' broadcast is determined by who is doing colour.

If it’s Pat Tabler, he has literally nothing useful to say. He is the very epitome of Tier 3.

Rance Mulliniks has useful things to say about how pitchers don’t control ERA and how hitting a line drive is the best possible outcome for a hitter (regardless of what happens to the ball in play).

When he started, Rance also had a tendency to get nervous and stutter, which was hilarious in a sports commentator.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Aug 3, 2009 6:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

TV Broadcast Crews

For the most part I find them to be pretty pedestrian, at least initially. Some do stand out for better or worse.

Nationals: It may be because of the current state of their team but I actually enjoy this crew. They’re fairly reasonable to listen to and can be blunt at times, particularly against their own team. (Today’s Update: Okay, they may be a tad more annoying than I remembered. “YES! SWEET!”)

Angels: Is Rex Hudler doing radio these days? It seems like he’s not announcing the games I’ve been watching, unless I’m missing something. Not that I’ve been specifically keeping up the the names of each crew but whomever does the announcing in place of Hudler isn’t anywhere near as annoying (Rex in Spring Training: “I don’t know what you Mariners fans call Wakamatsu but we called him Wak!”). I could be wrong, and hey, the crew is still not good either way. Physioc has this awkward monotone personality that makes it difficult to put up with.

Athletics: I watched that game where the A’s came back from a 12-3 deficit to win the game, including a Grand Slam to take the lead. Between the time when they were down a bunch of runs and the time they took the lead, the announcing crew sounded EXACTLY the same. They sounded quite a bit indifferent like “Oh yea, that happened. Cool.” Imagine what their non-exciting games sound like (hint: exactly the same). Not a good crew at all.

Indians: My biggest problem with the Indians TV Broadcast is not the announcing crew but their production. Why in blue blazes can I not hear the fans? Every opposing team’s TV broadcast can pick up crowd noises better than they can. I don’t get it.

Rangers: Josh Lewin seems like he’d be better served doing play-by-play for a wrestling promotion than for a baseball game. I like excitement but he can go overboard at times…..and he sounds like a nerd. You can also hear Tom Grieve in the background somewhere.

Dodgers: I like Vin Scully and I wish I grew up listening to him. Just a different old-school flavor that just works.

White Sox: This is the only crew I stay away from at all costs. These guys aren’t homers, they’re fanboys. I’ve tried and tried to tolerate this group but it just doesn’t work. Watched a game where the White Sox allowed a key bases-clearing double to the Royals. As the ball lined into left field all I hear is “That’s trouble…………..”. Great call! I still can’t get out of my mind the call a few years ago when Batista struck out one of their batters to end the inning (with the bases-loaded): “……………………………………………………………………………and it’s 3-0 Mariners as we head into the next inning.”

Red Sox/Yankees: These crews are surprisingly tolerable. Michael Kay for the Yankees does a good job. For such hateable teams, the crews aren’t too bad.

Mariners: I guess with Dave Sims it’s a love/hate thing and I love Dave Sims. He’s excited when our team does something good and just as excited, if not hilarious, if the other team does something good (“that’s hit into the game in right-center field, that’s going to the wall and eeeeeeeverybody’s running (baserunners)….oh brother”).

And good God can we never have Rick Rizzs and Bill Krueger on the same TV announcing team ever again.

by ThundaPC on Aug 3, 2009 6:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's funny

Earlier I was thinking about what Dave Sims’ most memorable saying is. The first thing that popped into my head was “oh brother.”

by Snowman1025 on Aug 3, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sad thing

The Mariners have been largely bad in the years Sims has had this Mariner gig, and I’m starting to wonder what would be on a lost of top five Sims Mariner calls. I just know that damned Kenny Lofton catch would probably be up there. Still, I like Sims a ton more than Rizzs, who to me just came off as way too homer-y. I could only stand so much butter-up of Willie Bloomquist’s supposed hustle and grit and whatnot.

Also concerning Sims — I know he’s said that a baseball play-by-play gig had always been his dream job, but I heard him doing a Sunday night football game on Westwood One a couple years ago (I think he still has that gig), and he’s 400% more suited for football or basketball. I think one time he was paired with Dan Reeves, which wasn’t too bad, but one time it was Denns Green, and that was torture. Maybe three or five years from now I’ll think differently of Sims as a baseball broadcaster, but something felt right about Sims doing NFL radio play-by-play.

…as for Sims’ most famous call of his career, I think he had the game that advanced George Mason to the Final Four.

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by wackomann on Aug 4, 2009 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

dennis* green

Looks like my ass was crowned by spelling.

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by wackomann on Aug 4, 2009 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I generally like Dave Sims, there are just a few things about him that I find annoying

Something that has already been mentioned here is the way he’ll go from monotone to super enthusiastic in a split second. It’s like Blowers reaches over, lifts the goofy hat, and hits the enthusiasm turbo boost on the back of Dave’s noggin.

Maybe some people like this, but I hate it. When the Mariners are leading late and the pitcher is in trouble and Sims gets this extra kind of nervous quality in his voice that just makes me 100 times more nervous than I would normally be.

And I miss “mark it down in your Mariners log book” after every Mariners win. That was one of the first things I liked about Sims, but he seemed to stop doing it about halfway through his first season.

by discovolante on Aug 3, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Let's take a look at the happy totals."

— Rick Rizzs.

Batting .357/.571/.500 in 6 games for PSSBL Rocky Diablos 2009

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Aug 4, 2009 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't stand Mark Grace.

He doesn’t know shit. He acts like the dumb jock stereotype. And he has these little asine sayings for certian moments. Like I remember one game where there was a pitching change that was taking forever and Grace started talking about how he remembered playing ball in the side streets with friends and they had to take a break whenever a car came by and they would yell “Car!” when they saw one. So then EVERY FUCKING TIME there was break in the action he would just yell “Car!” over and over and fucking over. He’s a fucking toolshed.

Oh and I think he’s drunk 80% of the time he’s in the booth.

Daron Sutton on the other hand is excellent. He has that same sincereness that Sims has and he’s very smart. He’s the one that brings up the win expectancy from time and time. He also references lots of advanced stats on a semi consistent basis. You can also tell that he wants to stab Grace in the throat most of the time and it’s hilarious.

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Aug 3, 2009 6:45 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Am I the only person who likes Rick Rizzs?

Don’t get me wrong, I see where everyone’s complaints about him come from, I just don’t see how those faults make him less than likable.

by groovewrangler on Aug 3, 2009 7:11 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I find most of his calls to be enjoyable.

I know people think he is insincere but that’s never what comes to my mind when he’s announcing.

by levnclf on Aug 3, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a big fan of Rizzs

But I think it comes more from the nostalgia factor and not being able to hear him do TV games anymore.

Carlos Silvelite

by OceanBird on Aug 3, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's decent on radio because he has a good voice

but he is beyond obnoxious on tv, or if he has a color guy/child to bounce questions off of, because he’s very bad when he is not calling the action

by Poochie on Aug 3, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll give you that

He can be rather uncomfortable on TV. However, I do always get a chuckle when he does a game with Blowers and they show them standing together.

by groovewrangler on Aug 3, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Rizzs is good on the radio only because he has a good voice.

I definitely don’t like him on TV and whoever manages the broadcast team has done a good job at keeping Rizzs on the radio side.

by Wilder. on Aug 3, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Unfortunately my most enduring memory of Rizzs will be him making fun of Japanese people

When one of the recent seasons went to hell (2? 3 years ago?) and both players and broadcasters were obviously just playing out the string, someone had the idea during the broadcast to listen in on the Japanese feed of the M’s game. ‘Cause, y’know, it was novel, and something to do.

A couple innings later, they’re showing the action with the Japanese feed on… and every once in a while, between pitches, while the Japanese announcer is speaking, they have the camera on Rizzs and he’s moving his mouth trying to do the whole kung-fu-movie bad dubbing schtick.

To this day, I can’t believe it. I’m sure I’d never be able to find it, not on the internet, not in FSN’s archives, not anywhere.

by Spoomeister on Aug 3, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are not.

The Majority is simply more vocal.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Aug 4, 2009 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gary Thorne, Matt Vasgersian, Bob Uecker, and Jon Miller

could announce paint drying and I would watch. Their voices are so fucking good.

The day the NHL returns to ESPN and Gary Thorne/Bill Clement will be a very happy day.

Go Nova

by dbroncos31 on Aug 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My hatred of Hawk was eternally sealed when watching Buherle's perfect game.

Never really listened to a White Sox broadcast until that day. After the final out was recorded, he just shouted “YES! YES! YES!” over and over again. It was fucking obnoxious, and took you out of the moment, a broadcaster’s worst sin. Look, asshole, if you’re experiencing a historic moment, and you don’t know what to say, DON’T FUCKING SAY ANYTHING. Let the moment speak for itself.

Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?

by Benne on Aug 3, 2009 8:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I heard that call on ESPN

I mean, a pitcher achieves one of the rarest feats in baseball and all you can do is yell “YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES”?

Come on.

by Snowman1025 on Aug 3, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought it was brilliant.

It’s everything Hawk is. So funny I couldn’t even be annoyed.

by Teej on Aug 3, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I know some people liked it, but way to make it about you dipshit with your “YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!” Yeah, we know you’re the biggest homer announcer in all of baseball, how about mentioning the perfect game.

by discovolante on Aug 4, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This...
I can appreciate that Mozart was a phenomenal talent, but I’d rather listen to Grieg.

Is just a silly opinion.

by TheBishop on Aug 3, 2009 8:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No mention of yodeling on Allmusic

but now I’m more curious to check his stuff out.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Aug 3, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Cattle Call"

One of Arnold’s biggest hits. That has a bit of yodeling on it.

by groovewrangler on Aug 3, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't like guitar wankery

and while I like Van Halen well enough, I have never been a fan of a song with a three minute solo guitar wank in it. It’s the equivalent of listening to Mariah Carey’s vocal gymnastics – look how many notes I can bend in this phrase! Look how many finger taps I can cram into this run! – and it’s irritating as hell.

I have never thought of Eddie Vedder as a guitar player per se, I know he plays but it’s not to the forefront of the song in the same way that Eddie Van Halen’s is, I guess I thought Vedder was more of a rhythm guitarist. Reading below I see I was probably wrong about that.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Aug 4, 2009 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Liking Grieg more than Mozart is understandable

But hating listening to Mozart just boggles the mind.

by rlintott on Aug 4, 2009 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't explain it

I played piano for 12 years and hated playing him too.

by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 4, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The key to enjoying Mozart's piano work

is to treat it as if it is a caricature of itself. His Sonata #1 (which, strangely is not the first one he wrote) is a perfect example. It’s just so funny that way.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Aug 4, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

RIP Harry Kalas

Can’t believe we got this far without mentioning him. That guy was awesome. I know I’m living in the past with this post, but the lilt with which he said “Utley” was amazing.

by philosofool on Aug 3, 2009 8:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

HIs voice was amazing, it was like a time machine.

When his voice kicked over the slow motion film of linesmen battling after the snap, I’d swear I was watching a replay of The Icebowl, or any old classic game. His voice just said Classic Americana to me, plaid shirts, tail fins, flat top haircuts, moon landings.

by Kermit. on Aug 3, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read Physioc's presentational tic a little differently.

I see it as the most innocent insincerity. He says shit that he couldn’t possibly believe or know anything about because it sounds right, and it seems he should be saying it. Since he himself has no insight whatsoever, the approach works for him. Oh, and he’s stupid.

Sadly, I’ve been annoyed by him ever since he did the sports desk on Channel 2 in Oakland, and then bizarrely emerged as an MLB play by play guy.

by Paytheline on Aug 3, 2009 8:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like how no one has mentioned Blowers.

I don’t mind him.

I sort of miss Fairly though.

by Mariner John on Aug 4, 2009 1:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No doubt about it.

Blower’s isn’t bad.

50!

by joof on Aug 4, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Blow's voice a lot, but it's sort of an acquired taste.

I like KNBR’s Tom Tolbert’s voice in the same way.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Aug 4, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate McCarver.

There are many others I dislike but I save all my real hate for him. I don’t understand how he ever got his gig or how he continues to keep it.

Is there anyone who likes him?

"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice." -Ichiro

by Big Jared on Aug 4, 2009 1:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think there is a less likeable broadcast team than Joe Buck and McCarver

I’ve actually stopped watching the playoffs each year because of them.

by Kouvre on Aug 4, 2009 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Steve Physioc is really bad

Every player from Santo Domingo is THE DOMINICAN DANDY and he reminds us that John Lackey’s from Abilene Texas twice per inning of every one of his starts. I have grown to like Rex, but cringe when he and Steve discuss plays on the field in terms for little leaguers to learn from.

by Rev Halofan on Aug 4, 2009 1:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I enjoyed the time Rex told us about "magnetic renaissance imaging"

I also enjoyed the time last week when him and Physioc dressed up as storm troopers on TV

by seattlebruin on Aug 4, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have much irrational hate in my heart for Dewayne Staats

Mostly due to his voice and the fact that in the mid to late 90s, he always seemed to be the play-by-play commentator for Mariners broadcasts on ESPN. And they would always lose. Any other commentator, and they won a lot, but I don’t recall the M’s ever winning when the game was on ESPN and Staats was calling it.

by Kouvre on Aug 4, 2009 1:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Cleveland guys..

I think the Cleveland guys should be tier 4. Matt Underwood makes so many mistakes during a broadcast, you wonder how he ever got the job.

I don’t really care though, baseball is made for the radio. That’s why most of the talent is found there.

by Toxicadam on Aug 4, 2009 5:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree about radio and baseball

My grandfather told me that in Seattle back when, you would walk down the street and hear the voice of Seattle Rainiers’ broadcaster Leo Lassen coming out of every house. Via the intertubes, you can actually hear a recording of the man. http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/3477/rainier4.htm

by Paytheline on Aug 4, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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