OTFPOTD 8/03/09 - What Might Have Been Edition
Holy crap - has everyone seen Baker's blog today? For those who love rosterbation, this is an insane story:
I'm told the Red Sox apparently approached the Mariners and first tried to do a Hernandez trade with Seattle exclusively. Boston wanted Hernandez and gave the Mariners a list of eight prospects, from which Seattle would be allowed to pick any five.
They included:
RHP Clay Buchholz
RHP Daniel Bard
RHP Justin Masterson
LHP Nick Hagadone
RHP Michael Bowden
LHP Felix Doubront
OF Josh Reddick
SS Yamaico NavarroSeattle turned that down. But that was just the warm-up act to the blockbuster proposal that followed.
It has since come out that Epstein and Towers were discussing a trade that would send home run slugger Adrian Gonzalez to Boston. But wait. Apparently, Epstein wants Hernandez more than anybody, even Gonzalez.
So, the three teams start discussing a possible three-way deal with Seattle that would send Gonzalez to the Mariners, along with Buchholz and a couple of other Red Sox prospects.
The Red Sox would get Hernandez.
And the Padres would get Brandon Morrow, Phillippe Aumont and Carlos Triunfel from Seattle, along with a couple of other top Boston prospects.
I mean, holy crap what a huge trade that would have been. I know Felix is amazing and some around here would never trade him, but that is quite a haul. Would you have taken either deal?
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I never want Felix to leave.
EXTENSION EXTENSION EXTENSION NOW NOW NOW
by Snowman1025 on Aug 3, 2009 9:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There is a large part of me that doesn't think Felix will be a Mariner in 2012
please prove me wrong, GMZ. Nothing would make me happier
by seattlebruin on Aug 3, 2009 9:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This one was fine for a while. I looked at it several times and chuckled softly to myself.
“Oh, Eyebrows.” I said. Then I looked at it again and got an instant and piercing headache behind both eyes. You win again.
by royalcurve on Aug 3, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is just a placeholder for the better Busey gif I saw this weekend.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Found it!
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/8/3/973812/otfpotd-8-03-09-what-might-have#19153962
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I were going to trade Felix, I'd want to be absolutely certain he wasn't open to signing an extension
And if I were going to trade him, neither of those moves makes a whole lot of sense. Boston’s prospects are overrated (like we need more relievers), and Gonzalez is also a free agent after 2011, which solves our problems how?
I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little
by Sportszilla on Aug 3, 2009 9:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure Gonzo makes a good centerpiece, considering he's a FA the same time Felix is.
The prospects would have to be really good.
by JonBBT on Aug 3, 2009 9:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's trade Baker.
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
p.s. fuck you angels
p.p.s. why does geoff baker hate felix
by InSpokane on Aug 3, 2009 9:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why?
He’s good at what he does.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has seemed to be on the trade Felix kick for a while.
Also, he’s tone almost suggests that he was disappointed that this deal did not go down.
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
p.s. fuck you angels
p.p.s. why does geoff baker hate felix
by InSpokane on Aug 3, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he wants to trade Felix
He’s just been raising the question of what it would take for them to trade him. I think any good GM would at least consider it, and it’s an interesting question to ponder.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes it seems he more interested in landing the big story.
A creative proposal, to say the least. And one that obviously would have blown away anything else at the July 31 deadline. Would have been the talk of future deadlines for years to come.
Also from a July 30th story.
Believe me, I’d like nothing more than to see this year’s Mariners go to the post-season. It’s good for business. Fun for us to cover. Creates all kinds of interest nationally in the stories we write. So, let’s just get that part straight.
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
p.s. fuck you angels
p.p.s. why does geoff baker hate felix
by InSpokane on Aug 3, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, well that's his job.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I should should been more specific, he seems to want to land the big story for his personal gain not to give us latests
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
p.s. fuck you angels
p.p.s. why does geoff baker hate felix
by InSpokane on Aug 3, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, it's a blog.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're reading him wrong
He was only advocating trading Felix if an extension was out of the question and the team wasn’t contending.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Aug 3, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems like people don't like the idea of trading Felix.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 9:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would trade Griffey before Felix
by seattlebruin on Aug 3, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade my mom before Felix.
a failure pile in a sadness bowl.
by royalcurve on Aug 3, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say the exact same thing.
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
p.s. fuck you angels
p.p.s. why does geoff baker hate felix
by InSpokane on Aug 3, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what do you have against RC's mom?
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
by pdb on Aug 3, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing at all. I was thinking my own mother.
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
p.s. fuck you angels
p.p.s. why does geoff baker hate felix
by InSpokane on Aug 3, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure she's a lovely woman,
but she’s no All-Star ace pitcher!
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 4, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade Felix for a few people
None of which are on that list
by Graham on Aug 3, 2009 9:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
0000 Jesus Christ
Try not to take me too seriously
by calim on Aug 3, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Why would you want a baby?
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 9 recs
I hear he wins comeback player of the year
but only plays for a half season after that.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 10 recs
Isn't it worth it to trade Felix for a half season of an infinity win player?
by seattlebruin on Aug 3, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, sure
Mortgage the future.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
But free wine for everyone!
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
by pdb on Aug 3, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bigtime prospect
This kid was like Harper and Strasburg put together. But, um, no religion or something.
Try not to take me too seriously
by calim on Aug 3, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard he took steroids.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was pretty obvious
Most careers really fizzle out after the player dies.
Try not to take me too seriously
by calim on Aug 3, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like to think of my Jesus as Baby Jesus.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by noontide on Aug 5, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Using BBref's neutralization tool
2002 Barry Bonds hit .397/.609/.860
I’d take him.
by Poochie on Aug 3, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else just buy Seahawks! tickets?
by NOLAmarinergirl on Aug 3, 2009 10:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Does this mean that Sorry NOLA no longer applies in 2009?
by seattlebruin on Aug 3, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody was really ever sorry.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Season tickets! WOO!!!
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phildopip on Aug 3, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hmm, might've been a good idea for me to buy some and then flip them on Stubhub.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
by Fin on Aug 3, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
People who buy tickets just to offload them at a profit are the scum of the universe
by Robert on Aug 3, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
because before stubhub nobody ever scalped tickets ever
(I agree with you actually but it’s not just an online problem)
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
by pdb on Aug 3, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not yet, but I'm going to a practice on Saturday.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 4, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ALL RIGHT
WHO VOTED TO TRADE HIM
Try not to take me too seriously
by calim on Aug 3, 2009 10:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
IT'S LYNCHIN' TIME
Try not to take me too seriously
by calim on Aug 3, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've said it before and I'll say it again
I would trade Felix in a heartbeat if the price were right. Neither of the packages above were particularly close.
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
by pdb on Aug 3, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did, but only because I fear we aren't going to extend him
And I want something for that glorious hunk of man-flesh.
by rlintott on Aug 3, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Felix trade
As far as I’m concerned, as slight as our World Series chances are over the next several years, those chances would only further diminish if Felix were traded to Boston. If I’m Z, I’m focusing on extending him this offseason. Failing that, I consider moving him next July for a similar package to what Boston offered this time around.
Every year I purchase Seahawks tickets, curse the prices, and tell myself that I’m never buying tickets again.
by katal on Aug 3, 2009 10:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like how they raised prices 15% a year after they went 4-12 and in a bad economy
Yet even me who is making nearly minimum wage, grumbles about it for 15 seconds then buys them and flip my shit while running around like Charlie in a god damn chocolate factory
by Robert on Aug 3, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is why they can/will always raise prices
not faulting you for doing it, I do it myself with the M’s, but still. The model works because the consumer makes it work.
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
by pdb on Aug 3, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don't understand that
There has to be a piece missing. Why would we even consider trading Felix for Gonzalez AND giving up three quality prospects?
Try not to take me too seriously
by calim on Aug 3, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we'd maybe replace our prospects with Bostonites?
Still seems fishy.
Try not to take me too seriously
by calim on Aug 3, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I'm assuming.
That we’d get the five Boston prospects as well.
by katal on Aug 3, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The trade would have been Felix and prospects
For Gonzalez, Buchholz and other unnamed Red Sox prospects.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not worth the prospect package we give up
by Graham on Aug 3, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gonzalez is a ~4 win firstbaseman
I don’t get how that makes sense for Seattle
by Poochie on Aug 3, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Epstein just thought Bill was still GM
Of course he’ll do this deal!
Try not to take me too seriously
by calim on Aug 3, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bottom line
Felix is fun to watch, and a good reason to be a Mariner fan. Any trade that we would make with Felix would have to be Bedard-trade level ridiculous and would have to bring me someone new to get excited about.
And not excited like “Branyan’s coming up” excited. Excited in the same way that so many other fans are about Griffey pinch hitting in the 9th with a potential game-winning situation.
Batting .357/.571/.500 in 6 games for PSSBL Rocky Diablos 2009
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Aug 3, 2009 10:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
For what it's worth ...
this morning during his KJR interview, Zduriencik implies that it never got to quite that level of specifics re: Felix, which might just be GM subterfuge … or not. He does say that he didn’t expect to get any offer that would make it worth moving Felix—
by msb on Aug 3, 2009 10:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That makes some sense...
I can’t imagine why Z would even consider trading Felix for either of those packages, so his saying that it never got to that point makes sense to me. There might be players or packages which would be worth a Felix trade, but it sure as heck ain’t either of the ones listed above.
Fuck the Angels! And the Yankees and Red Sox while we're at it.
by urchman on Aug 3, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would've made a separate fanpost for the Felix talk but whatever.
by ThundaPC on Aug 3, 2009 10:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I'd rather roll the rosterbation into an offtop than give it its own outlet.
But that’s just me.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Besides, you generally need a good topic to kick off an offtop.
And I’m too lazy to try to hunt for something.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks to an assist by RC, I present to you:

angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 11:06 AM PDT reply actions 7 recs
Holy hell! That is scary!
Awaiting the day I catch a Russell Branyan foul ball. I will make love to it.
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
by JLProck on Aug 3, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my. Ohhhhhhhh my.
I owe you a beer and an avuncular pat on the head for this.
by marc w on Aug 3, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Impressive.
You are making up for a lack of quantity of internet you have found on this Monday with the quality of internet you have found. This is indeed good.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Aug 3, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my God
That looks disturbingly like a chick my friends tried to get me to fuck. God’s Holy trousers…. :(
by spittle8 on Aug 5, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THANKS FOR SHARING
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 5, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd trade Felix...
…for Bucholz + Lester + Pedroia. Now, I know Epstein wouldn’t, but hey, that’d at least perk my ears a bit…
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by PositivePaul on Aug 3, 2009 11:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would milk a few more blue chip prospects out of it.
Felix is pretty damn valuable, and I do not think Buchholz or Pedroia would be special if they were on any non Boston/New York team.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
by Fin on Aug 3, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you willingly trade for Dustin Pedroia
by Graham on Aug 3, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I do not think he is that good.
He reminds me of a scrappy, Bloomquist type of player. I am really glad that I haven’t had to use the words scrappy or Bloomquist this season before now.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
by Fin on Aug 3, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, where would Pedroia play?
Left field? Third?
by seattlebruin on Aug 3, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he's a second baseman.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Second base on the Mariners is already spoken for
by seattlebruin on Aug 3, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought they shipped out Cedeño though.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Woodward really isn't a long term solution.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eff you, Woodward has HOF written all over him
by seattlebruin on Aug 3, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He left his shoes on last night, OK?
by seattlebruin on Aug 3, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tui could probably play a mean 2nd base.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
by Fin on Aug 3, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loafie.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
by Fin on Aug 3, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
by Fin on Aug 3, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he some Ms prospect or something?
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually he's been around since 2005, touted as the 2nd baseman of the future.
He even made the All-Star game in 2006, but after his brother died in an accident, his numbers tanked in 2007. 2008 saw a re-emergence of Jose Lopez, but little did that help as the Mariners were out of contention by the month of May. In 2009, Jose Lopez has returned to slumping, and having another sibling die did not help. Alas, Jose Lopez remains the starting 2nd baseman, as he shows flashes of brilliance and the power that he once and could again possess.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
by Fin on Aug 3, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I meant 2004.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
by Fin on Aug 3, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't ring a bell.
You sure you don’t mean Jose Vidro?
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who isn't on the team anymore.
You’d think a Mariners fan like yourself would realize that.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aw, I see the potential confusion my friend.
But no, Jose Vidro was a different player. A 2nd baseman back in his prime with the Montreal Expos. Was traded for a couple of no name prospects before the 2007 season to fill the void at DH. He brought to the table switch-handedness, an ability to hit balls and not strike out. What he didn’t bring was any other skill required to be an adequate ball player. He lucked out in 2007, having a hollow batting average, while in 2008, that house of cards finally feel. Vidro was deemed “done”, and despite batting fourth as protection for Raul Ibanez, he was finally Designated for Assignment in August 2008.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
by Fin on Aug 3, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Are you sayin' he was some kinda homo-sexual?
because you better have some proof to go along with that, mister
He brought to the table switch-handedness, an ability to hit balls
by seattlebruin on Aug 3, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jose Vidro wasn't a switch hitter.
You’re just confused by his opposite-handed twin brother, Pepe.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
O yes, a very important detail that I overlooked.
In that trade with the Nationals, there were 4 players involved in the deal, with twins Jose and Pepe coming over the Mariners. In 2007, Jose was given much praise and glory, as the Mariners were in contention for much of the season, but a year later, was a scapegoat for the organizational issues the Mariners were facing. The only time Pepe had any recognition was during the pre-season commercials, where both twins Jose and Pepe Vidro stood side by side.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
by Fin on Aug 3, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Recs all around.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bullshit
In 2009, Jose Lopez has returned to slumping, and having another sibling die did not help.
by seattlebruin on Aug 3, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps I am being a bit harsh there.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
by Fin on Aug 3, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, so he has had a little re-emergence of late.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
by Fin on Aug 3, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either way, it's roughly league average
by seattlebruin on Aug 3, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a huge difference between league average and being 15 points below league average
by Poochie on Aug 3, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well according the the wOBA that's calculated correctly he is .006 below league average.
by acblue on Aug 3, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe StatCorner and FanGraphs use different league averages because of the way they calculate wOBA
by seattlebruin on Aug 3, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fangraphs has him at .325 vs .328 league average
StatCorner has him at .330 vs .341 league average
apparently I read the wrong line last time.
by seattlebruin on Aug 3, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would assume he would replace Loafie at 2nd.
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by Fin on Aug 3, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps...
…because Dave Cameron seems to think he’s got more trade value than Ian Kinsler, Nick Markakis, and Cole Hamels.
And because I’m not a big fan of our second baseman…
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by PositivePaul on Aug 3, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fangraphs will always overrate Dustin Pedroia until they properly account for the fact that Boston has a park factor of 120 for doubles
by Graham on Aug 3, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's really strange that they use park factors when adding up the batting values into total WAR for a player, while they don't adjust wOBA for park factors.
Although I can get park-adjusted wOBA on Statcorner, correct?
TRUTH.
by Decatur on Aug 3, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boones. They taste like fruit.
Illegible
by kevin_ess on Aug 5, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pedroia will hit about 2 HR a year at Safeco (more on the road, but still)
You think Loafie hits too many sissy home runs? Look at Pedoira:
http://www.hittrackeronline.com/detail.php?id=2009_2478&type=hitter
http://www.hittrackeronline.com/detail.php?id=2009_2478&type=hitter
TRUTH.
by Decatur on Aug 3, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would never trade Felix.
He has Hall of Fame potential. Like banner in the rafters with his number on it potential. He is so good, I would never even consider it. He is my favorite Mariner.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
by Fin on Aug 3, 2009 11:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This does presuppose that he would seriously consider staying once he hits free agency
which is by no means a certainty.
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
by pdb on Aug 3, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Z needs to sign that extension as soon as possible.
And the team needs to start winning. It seems like Felix is more comfortable, now that he has a best friend in Gutierrez and his own personal catcher. I wouldn’t be surprised if Z could persuade him to stick around after the team really starts winning in the next couple of seasons.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
by Fin on Aug 3, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The player has all the power though
Z can only offer an extension. Felix has to be willing to sign it. Which as you say is probably entirely dependent on the team playing consistent winning baseball.
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
by pdb on Aug 3, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This trade rumor makes me hate the Red Sox and the Mariners.
by yuniform on Aug 3, 2009 11:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But the Padres are spared your wrath?
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, how could you not loathe our ®ivals even more after this?
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
by Fin on Aug 3, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can never hate the Padres.
They’re like old friends we see every year.
by yuniform on Aug 3, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bahahahaha.
by Phildopip on Aug 3, 2009 11:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Watch the Little Price?
I did read The Little Prince for the first time ever this year, though. Today’s XKCD made me sad.
by katal on Aug 3, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops.
I meant “The Little Prince”. The TV show was on Nickelodeon, and I used to love it as a kid.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phildopip on Aug 3, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had no idea there was a show!
I need to find this immediately.
by katal on Aug 3, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
People on Craigs List need to be as willing and stupid as me to overspend on Seahawks tickets.
by Robert on Aug 3, 2009 11:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Michael Vick signing will help their value.
by Poochie on Aug 3, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember that one playoff game against the Packers? They couldn't tackle him.
by Poochie on Aug 3, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just want to corner the market on QB/WRs
by Poochie on Aug 3, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It scares me that Boston so badly wants Felix. They so rarely give up top talent to acquire top talent.
Not unless they got another Hanley in there somewhere. I mean, 3 Hanleys.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Aug 3, 2009 12:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In case anybody was wondering,
The reason why I took so long to respond to the Felix question is because I was to busy digging up the childhood dogs of the yes voters and giving them anal clamidia
by Robert on Aug 3, 2009 12:10 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
joke's on you I never had a pet as a kid
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
by pdb on Aug 3, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also has a pet spider
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
p.s. fuck you angels
p.p.s. why does geoff baker hate felix
by InSpokane on Aug 3, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was about to do that, but I couldn't find my shove. Thanks, Broberto!
by royalcurve on Aug 3, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what you're saying is you'd trade Felix for Pedroia, Ellsbury and Papelbon, right?
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH MY GOSH
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Aug 3, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(I had a cat growing up, never a dog...)
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Aug 3, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah a lot of guys find their control once they hit 30.
by Poochie on Aug 3, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
My friend is Erasmo-obsessed. But is their not a lot of faith in his numbers?
by Kenny Knows Sports on Aug 3, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figured the juicing part is a joke, I'm just saying there seem to be a lot of questions about how real his dominant numbers are.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Aug 3, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He projects as 13-14 K/BB guy in the majors, though I worry about the HBPs
at his current command, I project him to bean approximately 46,500 batter per season in the majors.
by seattlebruin on Aug 3, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love that they're using that shopped picture of the MLB Erasmo Ramirez in a Mariner uniform on FSN broadcasts
Has nobody ever taken a picture of this kid?
by Graham on Aug 3, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gomez found a pic of him a while back.
I think this is supposed to be him

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Aug 3, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's uh...
That’s not at all what I expected him to look like.
by BrianL on Aug 3, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all.
The Scourge of the VSL is rather baby-faced.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Aug 3, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
25.67 K/BB. Good god.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phildopip on Aug 3, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the G/F ratio of 3.79:1
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Aug 3, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's hitting a lot of guys which makes me wonder about control
Why hasn’t he been promoted yet?
by Graham on Aug 3, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea.
The old visa rules don’t apply anymore, but generally speaking, I’ve only seen one pitcher ever promoted from the VSL mid-season, and that was Cesar Jimenez. Ramirez, right now, is outdoing even that.
The VSL season ends on Saturday, and I’m pretty sure they promoted Jimenez after the season. We may see Ramirez in the states in the coming weeks. I wouldn’t give great odds on it, but it could happen.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Aug 3, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His numbers were fine last year
How come he went for another go around? Also, you don’t happen to know what exactly he’s throwing, do you?
by Graham on Aug 3, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There aren't many players, especially pitchers, that come up after one year.
Usually players have to have one or two outstanding things that they do in order to get promoted immediately. Efrain Nunez came up because he could hit, Asdrubal Cabrera and Oswaldo Navarro could both field at an elite level, and J.C. Ramirez had a plus fastball and the makings of a good slider. It’s not necessarily a bad sign to see a pitcher in there for a second year though. Pineda spent two years in the DSL and then was immediately in the Midwest League, dominating as though he’d been well-practiced in it.
Erasmo is probably more like Pineda than the other Ramirez. His FB doesn’t have plus heat on it, but he commands it well and he throws a variety of them, two-seams, sinking, cutting I think. I’m guessing he has a working change-up too from how he handles left-handers (23/0 K/BB in 17.0 IP). I’ve never heard a full SR on him, just bits and pieces here and there, how he was one of the better players available out of Nicaragua when they got him, how they expected him to add velocity as he grew, stuff like that.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Aug 3, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope he comes up for the tail end of the season
If he gets put in Everett it’d be fun to go to a game and check him out. What’s the talent like in the VSL?
by Graham on Aug 3, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES
I keep trying to tell myself that the stats are meaningless, but they won’t let me. I mean, ~ 4:1 GBs? And no walks? I was hoping they’d push him a while ago, and every time he goes more than 5 days w/o pitching, I keep scanning the scores in Arizona or Pulaski.
Again, this FO seems to be close to the opposite of the Bavasi regime when it comes to mid-season promotions.
by marc w on Aug 3, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So do I.
The timing works for me, so I’d love to catch game or two of him in Everett.
The VSL level of talent is always quite difficult to judge because in a lot of cases you’re projecting on body type or skills that haven’t often seen formal competition. The best of the talent gets skimmed off every year for the states and because there’s a four-year term limit, you end up with long-time holdovers who kill the league on sheer experience when they might not amount to that much in that states. That’s not always the case though, Valbuena and Balentien both spent three or more years in the league for example.
I don’t see any names that jump off the page for me because, obviously, those guys are probably in the states or in a Dominican complex, but for fun, Erasmo Ramirez is:
Leading in ERA (0.55 to 1.49 for the next guy)
Leading in IP (82.0 to 68.1)
Leading in Ks (77 to 72, but in 19 more innings)
I’d consider throwing him into the Clinton rotation to start the season.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Aug 3, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really wish you could sort by GB/FB...
I just don’t have a sense of the league average. Whatever it is, he’s gotta be several std. devs from the median.
The old org pushed Pineda who had worse stats and who was younger to the MWL; let’s hope Ramirez’ ridiculous year overcomes the cautiousness of the org next year (that is, go to the MWL, forget the NWL/AZL).
by marc w on Aug 3, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooooookay.....
Get his feet wet in AAA like they did with Paredes and Bibens-Dirkx!
Come to me, Erasmo.
(by the way, it’s really annoying that there’s some AAA vet/AAAA pitcher named Erasmo Ramirez).
by marc w on Aug 3, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I mentioned above
On M’s broadcasts he keeps being brought up and the picture they use of him is of the other Erasmo Ramirez shopped into an M’s uniform.
by Graham on Aug 3, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously? I've missed that
I’ve seen his name in some of those ‘building to the future’ deals, but they just showed the banner bank logo.
by marc w on Aug 3, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stats in summer leagues are nigh meaningless.
I would have picked Henry Perez over Pineda that year, I think, and Henry Perez is still in the DSL. Walter Suriel had better stats than Pineda and look at how he’s done in the States. Players are promoted on ability more often than stats. That’s why Eddy Fernandez took so long to get here, and subsequently sucked because he was exploiting something that more experienced hitters are more adept at handling.
and for the record, there aren’t a whole lot of home runs in the league and it skews noticeably towards groundballs. I think the standard in the MLB is something like 1.02 G/F (someone correct me on that), but in the VSL it seems closer to 1.50.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Aug 3, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we've all made our requisite 'VSL stats are meaningless' caveats in this subthread
And it’s not like Ramirez throws 81. And the league average GB rate could be 2.0 and Ramirez’s numbers would still be impressive. Just looking at the list, there’s no one in Ramirez’ league, save perhaps Yoervis Medina, who’s still waaaay behind. Yosber Monzon is in Medina territory, but I’m really just mentioning him for his name.
by marc w on Aug 3, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I believe so.
So, to be entirely clear, VSL stats are meaningless, culled from highly erratic competition, and even normalizing them, Erasmo Ramirez is still really awesome.
I’m thinking for the intro in next week’s minor league wrap I’m just going to blather on about the VSL for a while since they’ll be done playing by then.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Aug 3, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if, say, the VSL was equivalent to a good high school league
And Erasmo Ramirez was a 19 year old senior, that’s a first round draft pick right there.
by Graham on Aug 3, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah know, with most teams I would consider a trade of Felix for the right package.
But not to Boston. No. No. No.
FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Goose on Aug 3, 2009 12:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Random Thoughts on Asymmetric Park Factors
Safeco Field is a pitcher’s park. It represses singles, doubles, and triples across the board and increases strikeouts. It also lowers HR/fly ball rate, but only for right handed hitters due to the short fence in right field and the prevailing wind in the stadium. In short, it treats left handed and right handed bats differently (i.e. asymmetrically) in terms of power, and that’s a pretty big deal.
But you already knew all that, so why bring it up?
Well, I was just thinking that since managers tend to stack the lineup with opposite handed batters. When a rightie is on the hill, lefties! When a lefty is up, righties! Granted, most teams don’t have the roster flexibility to have this as a huge effect, but it’s there. Following that, it’s pretty clear that left-handed pitchers in Safeco Field will probably face more right-handed batters than usual, and vice versa for right-handers, which means that LHP’s expected HR/fly will be a good amount lower than their non-sinister compatriots.
Left handed pitchers therefore are inherently more valuable in Safeco Field, because in terms of production it doesn’t really matter if you exploit some aspect of the park others can’t. You produce or save runs against the overall environment that you’re in, so it’s not fair to knock, say, Branyan’s value down because he has an easier time hitting HR in Safeco than does Adrian Beltre.
What all this does mean, though, is that there is an inherent flaw in evaluating the talent of players in Safeco Field. Using blanket park factors means that lefthanders will always be overrated, and righties underrated. I don’t know where I’m going with this so I’ll stop now. Just something to muse upon.
by Graham on Aug 3, 2009 12:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well has there been any thought/research done on this topic to develop park factors, say by field (LF/CF/RF)
which would help get a truer understanding of park factors?
I’d also think that Safeco is a fairly unique case, though Petco’s RF might also come to mind.
by seattlebruin on Aug 3, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a followup to that:
Why not change your park to fit your team? Sure, it would be hard to make adjustments from year to year to perfectly balance it out, but doesn’t it make sense to at least adjust it to your long-term guys? If the Rays are willing to sign Longoria to such a long deal, why not tailor the park to him a little as well? This makes even more sense to me if you are someone like the Yankees who just splashed out hundreds of millions in guaranteed contracts on 3 players in an offseason.
I think the main counterargument to this is that you just want to accumulate as many championship-caliber players as possible, especially since you still play half of your games in parks that are different (and thus harder to tailor a team towards) than your own.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 3, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perfect example of why that is a bad idea is Griffey.
We tailored Safeco to him then he bailed and we had zero lefty power hitters to take advantage.
by Sec 108 on Aug 3, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Years ago I remember you posting here and again that you were going to develop LH/RH park factors
but were too busy with schoolwork. Have you revisited your plans at all since then? Not all parks are going to be as grossly asymmetrical as Safeco or Yankee Stadium for example, but i suspect many will be.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Aug 4, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gee...
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Aug 3, 2009 12:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It was very helpful that they included the phonetic pronunciation of the police spokesman
just in case you were talking about this at the bar and couldn’t figure it out on your own, I guess?
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
by pdb on Aug 3, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am a huge Felix fan, but if we were offered five of those prospects, I'd do the deal.
I am assuming that Felix isn’t really interested in re-signing, otherwise GMZ would have done that deal by now.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Aug 3, 2009 1:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I dunno about that
GMZ wasn’t hired until the offseason and had a shit load to do before the season. Once Felix got on a roll he probably figured it best to just let him be, no reason to interrupt him with contract talks. if nothing is done this coming off season then yeah, we’re probably fucked,
by TheTank123 on Aug 3, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the Felix stock will drop any time soon.
Maybe Jack Z is seeing if Tampa and other teams with great farm systems are going to get interested too now and pull off the greatest stockpile of prospects ever assembled. There was no reason to start thinking about a Felix trade in the middle of this season, the majority of fans would go apeshit I think if he ever was dealt in the middle of the year. During the winter meetings though, who knows.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Aug 3, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There isn't a surefire star in that group. Interesting that Boston didn't include any of their better position
prospects. Young, unproven arms are too volatile. I wouldn’t make that deal
by Rudy4three on Aug 3, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I think it's safe to say that this would have finally brought down SBN had it gone through
get that extenzion going, Z.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Aug 3, 2009 1:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What's funny is that the first four of the "prospects" listed are actually older than Felix.
And the youngest one is only ~2 years younger.
by I Lick Squirrels on Aug 3, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If they trade Felix for anything short of 5 of the following 8 players I wll cry
Albert Pujols
Albert Pujols clone
Albert Pujols clone 2
Albert Pujols clone 3
Albert Pujols clone 4
Albert Pujols clone 5
Albert Pujols clone 6
Albert Pujols clone 7
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by I'm NOT Corco on Aug 3, 2009 1:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
May as well throw some Felix clones in there too.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This thread makes me sad :(
Fuck Anaheim.
by Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth on Aug 3, 2009 2:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He should have tried thinking about something else.
by royalcurve on Aug 3, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
What, baseball?
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by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steve? Don't come yet.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phildopip on Aug 3, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he should be more like Clement.
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by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cracked.com is so incredible.
Good link. Thanks.
by katal on Aug 3, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Three things I took away from that article.
Booo on the Hobbit w/o Jackson, Shamalamadingdong is not only an ass, he’s a retarded one idea wonder monkey ass, and now I know why Lost took a turn to craptastic land.
by Kermit. on Aug 3, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shame on you!
I’ll pretend you never said that comment about the great Lost.
by katal on Aug 3, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Hobbit will get made with Del Toro at the helm and Jackson producing.
The dispute is between New Line and the Tolkien heirs over who get’s the profits; there’s too much money at stake on either side for the project to be canceled out-right.
And thank God Del Toro is directing. I’ll never understand the reverence Jackson commands.
by sammy on Aug 3, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did a wonderous job with the first three.
They have some flaws, but it’s the biggest, most ambitious undertaking in the history of movie-making, and overall he hit it out of the park.
by Decatur on Aug 3, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll just have to disagree about this.
The Helm’s Deep scene was perfect, and the locations were fantastic, but on the whole I thought it was an over-acted, cheesy, gooey mess. The CGI was so painful.
And King Kong? WTF?
by sammy on Aug 3, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ruh rohs.
Jeff has been posting on FML again:
Today, I was handling corrosive chemicals when I accidentally spilled a beaker of Hydrochloric Acid on myself. I had to strip naked and use the emergency shower with my boss and my hot coworker watching. The worst part was when I realized my coworker was laughing at the size of my penis. FML
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phildopip on Aug 3, 2009 2:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd guess the burned skin would be worse than a little chublaughing.
Also, what kind of coworker stands around and laughs at someone in the chem shower? I call BS.
by waldo rojas on Aug 3, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't just the cornrows
sez Bronson Arroyo
by msb on Aug 3, 2009 2:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dave Cameron wrote about the Angels' offense
at FanGraphs, and he caught himself a prize comment:
Who would think that someone like Dave who is considered to be something of an authority on baseball, and spent so much time analyzing a bad team like the Mariners, would be incapable of what makes a good team like the Angels succesfull.
The Angels are one of the best teams skilled in the fundamentals of baseball, resulting in fewer errors per game and not allowing the opposing team extra bases or extra outs. This is a mantra of manager Mike Scioscia, possibly the best strategist in the game. He knows how to get the most out of players and use them to the best advantage even if they are not always the best players. His aggressive base running philosophy works, he requires runners to go to from first to third on a hit, and all his players can lay down a bunt when called for. These are just some of the requirements needed to even play for Mike Scioscia. The most important thing for Mike is maintaining depth at every position. Qualified players that can come in and play at a high level and produce when another goes down with an injury. Depth is why the Angels are doing consistently well right now in spite of players like Hunter and Guerrero on the DL. It is still Los Angeles Angels style baseball, manufacturing runs and strong baseball fundamentals, but when everybody is hitting, it puts the results in overdrive.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 3:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate the fact that baseball blogs are popular now
by Graham on Aug 3, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
get worse and...problem solved!
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
by pdb on Aug 3, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But then only the bad people would stay
by Graham on Aug 3, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose there is that
you could try posting less. oh wait.
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
by pdb on Aug 3, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I will give grudging credit
for the fact that the commenter did not once use the words “spreadsheet”, “basement”, “real game”, or “stat geek”. Doesn’t make the substance of his comment any better, but still, compared to the crap that Dave gets hurled at him this is somewhat rational.
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
by pdb on Aug 3, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well written Eyebrows!
Here I thought you only used images.
by Sec 108 on Aug 3, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
OH NO YOU DI'INT

angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Odd how this is in the same tempo as the song currently playing on my iPhone...
All the more surreal…
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Aug 3, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is seriously eerily mesmorizing...
It’s a live song, and I’m not joking – the audience clapping at the exact same tempo as this.
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Aug 3, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those Culture Club fans will clap for anything.
Illegible
by kevin_ess on Aug 3, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, Glory, I just imagined this with Busey Heads.
by msb on Aug 3, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I only steal. I do not create.
At least not yet. And that is something you should be grateful for.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have work to do!
I could probably make the gif, but that’s at least an hour’s work for someone with my minimal skill level.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oooh an apprentice?
So does this guy!

This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Aug 3, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like the Dark Lord Sauron.
In the Return of the King (book), Frodo says: “No, [orcs] eat and drink, Sam. The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own.”
by Decatur on Aug 3, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems like bad strategy to require runners to attempt to take third on every hit.
by waldo rojas on Aug 3, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AGGRESSIVE BASERUNNING WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS
WITHOUT HUSTLE YOU CAN’T EVER MANUFACTURE A RUN
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
by pdb on Aug 3, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In all seriousness though, I find it hilarious that Dave gets picked on for complimenting the team.
by Sec 108 on Aug 3, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point he's reached "I can't win" status I think
I’m just glad he doesn’t give up in the face of overwhelming asshattery.
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
by pdb on Aug 3, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure he will eventually, and that will be a dark day.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Aug 3, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bahahah
by seattlebruin on Aug 3, 2009 3:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, how delightful is DRaysBay!
http://www.draysbay.com/2009/7/31/970856/tampa-bay-rays-2009-mlb-trade#19022235
You shouldn’t drink and comment you know.
by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2009 12:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply
Marc, I have a crush on you.
Would you like to pretend to be a horse and cyber?
by Suttree on Jul 31, 2009 12:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 2 recs
THIS IS WHY WELL KNOWN WRITERS DON’T COMMENT HERE.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 12:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
BUT THE LULZ
Swav or Die (>’-‘)> <(’-‘)> <(’-’<)
For the lulz
by SRQman on Jul 31, 2009 12:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply
by Decatur on Aug 3, 2009 3:29 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I was SO RIGHT in calling it 4chan East.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It gets much worse. They start talking about hentai and otakas and pillow fetishes pretty quickly.
by Decatur on Aug 3, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's 4chan.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take that, Red Sox Nation!
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like what he does as is
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Aug 4, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just upset I can't figure out the second one.
by NOLAmarinergirl on Aug 4, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get weird little error signs, I belive
ノ
by NOLAmarinergirl on Aug 4, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to display the page in unicode.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 4, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I see it now!
It looks like a koala. I’m with ac
by NOLAmarinergirl on Aug 5, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel really sorry for R,J, because he's awesome but _somehow_ the smart Rays franchise has fans on a par with the Rangers and Angels in the retard stakes.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Aug 3, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WE'RE NUMBER ONE! WE'RE NUMBER ONE!
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 3, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would hate to see commentators act like that here.
by Robert on Aug 3, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thought of deviants discussing sexual fetishes or even describing them is completely revolting
Luckily this joint is straight class across the board
by Kermit. on Aug 3, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone in here need a ticket to the meetup?
I don’t feel like making a fresh post.
And sb, I mean legitimate needs, not the needs of someone who just wants to attend but was too silly to get a flight up.
by NOLAmarinergirl on Aug 3, 2009 4:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha.
As if I have much choice in this one. No, I’ll be there
by NOLAmarinergirl on Aug 3, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a bit financially challenged, otherwise I would love to go.
Illegible
by kevin_ess on Aug 3, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My entire weekend is going to be filled with comments and texts like this, isn't it?
by seattlebruin on Aug 3, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much? I never looked at the original post.
Illegible
by kevin_ess on Aug 3, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you still have an extra ticket I would love to have it.
This goes for anyone else as well.
by Kermit. on Aug 3, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same here.
Didn’t realize I was going to be back from the East Coast in time when tickets were originally being sold. Added bonus: rlintott will text me his own pithy comments and I can be his voice since he can’t make it out from DC.
by pmc47 on Aug 3, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Someone get this man a ticket
His promise of pith is true!
by rlintott on Aug 4, 2009 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice article in Page 2 between Caple and Hruby debating staying at home vs. going to games
by seattlebruin on Aug 3, 2009 5:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I go both ways on this.
I don’t really the Giants but I like going to the ball park. I just enjoy going and not really care about the out come. Though my first Dodgers Giants game I thought I was going to get in a fight with some LA fan because I had on a Giants hat.
When it comes to M’s game I try to go to everyone here in Oakland. And I kind fall in to the category of fan
According to you, every single person at a stadium is a repulsive belligerent drunkMy wife and I got seat about 6 rows up from the visitors dugout and I screamed at Yuni telling him I was going to stick his fucking fat ass back on a raft to Cuba. People gave me strange looks.
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
p.s. fuck you angels
p.p.s. why does geoff baker hate felix
by InSpokane on Aug 3, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of,
do you, or anyone else for that matter, have recommendations for bars near the Coliseum? I’m moving to SF at the beginning of next month in time for the series the first weekend of September, but don’t start my job down there until the next week. Having never been to the Bay area, I’m trying to see if there’s anything near the stadium that is worth checking out other than going to the airport to get the hell out of Oakland.
by pmc47 on Aug 3, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edison Volquez has reconstructive elbow surgery, expected to miss 12 months.
Link. How much do we blame Dusty Baker for this?
by Decatur on Aug 3, 2009 5:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In more cheery news, Bedard "could be ready to pitch Sunday," August 9th.
From the Seattle Times.
(Yeah, yeah, it’s Bedard and all, but still good news).
by Decatur on Aug 3, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it.
You got slurved!
The M's are why the suicide rates are so high in the PNW and Japan.
by Slurvey on Aug 3, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
102 pitches/appearance for Volquez
He had one non-start appearance so it’s probably closer to 110 per start.
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by Jack Moore on Aug 3, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
How does that compare to Felix though? He seems to throw a lot of pitches as well.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
by Fin on Aug 3, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty similar.
But Felix has been pitching 30 games a year for 4 years now.
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by Jack Moore on Aug 3, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Felix the most seasoned 23-year-old ever?
Signed when he was 16, called up at 19, 126 career starts, 818.2 innings. Maybe there are guys who started in the majors slightly sooner, but most of them didn’t start playing for a major league organization at 16. Some guys can say that, but most of them can’t say they hardly missed any games from 19-23. I’m surprised, even though it’s early in his career, that Felix is mentioned as often (from the articles I’ve read on the subject) in the “Who could get to 300 wins debate?”
by Kenny Knows Sports on Aug 3, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Having Zduriencik as a GM certainly won't hurt his chances of getting 300 wins.
Nolan Ryan started off young, 17 I believe. There are some regulars here that know more about baseball players off the top of their heads that could probably name a better comparison.
by Kermit. on Aug 3, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question for everyone:
Had GMZ made the pulled the trigger on the “better” of the two Felix offers, would the Ms blog-o-sphere ever love him again?
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by kevin_ess on Aug 3, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a positive.
I think this is by far and away the best GM we have ever had. Hands down.
Which sucks, because my “I love Woody Woodward” shirt has so much dust on it.
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by kevin_ess on Aug 3, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he trades Felix, he -will- have a damn good reason
And the return will be fuck-me amazing. I’d be hurt, but I’d understand eventually
by Graham on Aug 3, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is exactly my thought. Exactly.
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by kevin_ess on Aug 3, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we'd interpret the deal in a positive light, ie. that Felix had no intention of re-signing here.
I don’t know. I’d be in my basement crying into a mug of Scotch, so I wouldn’t be your point man for trade analysis.
by marc w on Aug 3, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Made the pulled the trigger?"
REALLY??? Shit. Sorry about that.
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by kevin_ess on Aug 3, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
51, I know.
Also, I meant to say I “can’t believe” he’s not mentioned more often.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Aug 4, 2009 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tillman having a pretty rough game so far against Detroit
69 pitches/39 strikes, 4 IP, 4 ER, 2 K, 2 BB, 5 H, 4 GB, 6 FB
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by Jack Moore on Aug 3, 2009 5:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
HE'S A BUST HAHAHAHAHA WE TOTALLY RIPPED THEM OFF ON THE BEDARD TRADE.
You got slurved!
The M's are why the suicide rates are so high in the PNW and Japan.
by Slurvey on Aug 3, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of prospects.
I was checking out the BA’s all time top 100 lists and noticed the M’s had a LOT of guys on those lists that never did squat. One of them got up to about #3 on the top 100 list, he was a right handed pitcher, this was about 1992, and I never heard of him. Sorry, I don’t remember the name or where I got to that list, but I assume easily half of you know who I’m talking about.
What happened to that guy?
by Kenny Knows Sports on Aug 3, 2009 6:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Roger Salkeid?
He was supposed to be the next Roger Clemens or something, but he got hurt.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Aug 3, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*Salkeld
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Aug 3, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks a lot Jay. That was really bugging me and I really wanted to know what happened.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Aug 3, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Salkeld is a perfect example of why a pitcher should shut things down when his arm hurts.
In spring training he knew he had a shot at making the rotation and decided to pitch through massive discomfort because he did not want to miss his shot at the bigs. He ended up blowing his arm out, had reconstructive surgery but was never the same.
by Sec 108 on Aug 4, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many times we've heard that exact story.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Aug 4, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More rosterbation.
My query into Salkeld led me to this 2005 article from Larry Stone, right before the M’s were about to make the 3rd pick in the draft. He brings up taking Salkeld ahead of Frank Thomas, and Jose Cruz Jr in front of Roy Halladay, Kerry Wood, Carlos Beltran and others. And then we know what happened in the 2005 draft.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Aug 3, 2009 6:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Most retrospective draft analysis is really, really, really stupid
Clement was not a bad pick and never has been. He just didn’t work out very well.
by Graham on Aug 3, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most is, but Michael Garciaparra over David Wright is still fucking dumb.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Aug 3, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but picking on reasonable picks after the fact isn't right
It’s not like there was a clear #3 in that draft.
by Graham on Aug 3, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 1995, Cruz went after Darin Erstad and Ben Davis, so it's not like the M's were alone in passing on some excellent talents.
Would ANY team have taken Roy Halladay over Kerry Wood? Wasn’t Kerry Wood just one of the most phenomenal pitching talents ever? Nothing you can do about it.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Aug 3, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wanted to link the article since I mentioned Salkeld and were talking about rosterbation.
No use crying over spilled milk, MLB is the hardest draft in sports to project talent. You can’t blame organizations for mistakes but you can definitely praise ones that consistently make great decisions. The only thing painful for me to watch in the draft is small market teams drafting signable players over better ones. Obviously, the Mariners didn’t do that.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Aug 3, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blame orgs for mistakes that are obvious at the time
by Graham on Aug 3, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think many people were scratching their heads over Matt Bush, Van Benschoten, and Luke Hochevar.
At least, from my recollection, which could be wrong on one of those names, those orgs knew they weren’t taking the best talent available.
The MLB draft is fucked, and it needs to be fixed, for situations like signability.
But no, the M’s drafts of 1989, 1995, and 2005 are not examples of this.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Aug 3, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's right - Matt Bush? Go ahead and laugh.
Hochevar is perhaps tougher, though I allow myself to snicker at the Royals for all manner of things, and this pick just sort of fits in. They assumed it was ‘safe’ – and I just don’t know that ‘safe’ picks (for pitchers) are as safe as clubs think they are.
As for the Pirates pick that was sort of odd, I think you may mean Bryan Bullington, who went #1 overall ahead of BJ Upton.
by marc w on Aug 3, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My favourite part of that pick is the praise they got for doing it from Michael Lewis
by Graham on Aug 3, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know.....
I’m sure there are some parts of the 2002 draft coverage that Lewis would love to have back.
by marc w on Aug 3, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of all people, Bob Stelton is on-air tonight on 710
He’s against the whole ‘trade Felix’ piece, because if you trade a Felix you have to get back proven major league talent, who can help you now, not prospects, and Adrian Gozalez is a good power hitter but that is all.
by msb on Aug 3, 2009 6:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He's so insightful.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Aug 3, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Adrian Gonzalez struggles at home, he's not going to be helped at Safeco.
Major league-ready talent in exchange for Felix should fall along the lines of Matt Wieters or Evan Longoria, not Adrian Gonzalez.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Aug 3, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Safeco is heavily favours left handed power hitters
by Graham on Aug 3, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad, I thought Petco dimensions were similar.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Aug 3, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dimensions aren't the only important factor
Prevailing wind direction is huge
by Graham on Aug 3, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey eMusic people!
So that big catalog upgrade they keep hyping over there? It added a ton of smaller labels/bands in addition to the majors that folks’ve been clamoring for. In fact, they finally got around to adding Chinese’s debut album ‘The Conquest of Tomorrow, Today,’ which is what the kids refer to (I think, I’m not 100% on this) as a ‘hot hit.’ You can check it out here. Or, you know, go see them. I think they’re local.
What new stuff are YOU listening to, LL user?
by marc w on Aug 3, 2009 11:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The newest thing I've been listening to is POS - Never Better
Looking forward a lot to the new Sigh and new midnightPumpkin albums coming out later this year though. I’m sure both of those will get many spins on my DAP hdd.
by lailaihei on Aug 4, 2009 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That eMusic thing came with a big downside though
My plan got downgraded to 37 tracks/month. I was ok with that, since the promise was “All classical albums over 12 tracks will now only cost 12 tracks.” Well, that’s been a boldfaced lie. Numerous classical albums over 12 tracks still charge per track, and numerous albums with fewer than 12 tracks now charge a full 12.
For instance, I wanted Glass’ Einstein on the Beach (writing my thesis on a new John Adams opera, so I thought other minimalist opera would be good to have); the album only has 14 tracks, but it would cost me 48 credits. I haven’t used eMusic for too much else, but the new catalog REALLY dicks over classical music people, and it didn’t add much of any value. Just as a buyer beware to anyone looking.
by rlintott on Aug 4, 2009 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know. I was a bit blindsided by the shift down to 37. I had been at 65.
Wait, why would a 14 track album cost you 48?
by marc w on Aug 4, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because it encompasses 4 CDs
It’s a long-ass opera. And I understand the “12 credits per CD” thing, but they actually need to do that across the board, not some half-ass implementation.
by rlintott on Aug 4, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turns out a Chinese album was left in my car.
Coincidence? Or subliminal messaging?
by NOLAmarinergirl on Aug 4, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theo Epstein
Has turned into the Scott Boras of general managerism.
Both are awful…and the first offer is better than the 2nd. What a gay ‘upgrade’ offer.
If Felix lands on the Yankees or Red Sox in FA or trade, I will quit watching baseball.
by Slica on Aug 4, 2009 12:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, a trade to Boston starts with Buchholz, Tazawa, and Anderson, and 3 more from that list.
A 3-way would be like AGon, Buccholz, Tazawa, 2 more from the list… And not giving up anything outside of Felix.
by lailaihei on Aug 4, 2009 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any UFC fans out there?
I’ve watched bits and pieces of UFC over the past couple of years but never really got into it. But when Brock Lesnar went over to UFC, it peaked my interest as a wrestling fan. So I’ve been watching a bunch of fights on Spike lately and I’m really starting to get into it.
So as a relatively new UFC fan, tell me, what should I know? Who should I root for?
I’m thinking of rooting for this guy because of his amazing beard:

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Goose on Aug 4, 2009 2:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
Ive been a fan for over a decade now, thanks to…Ken Shamrock. After Shamrock, Carlos Newton and Evan Tanner stole my interest…and then I saw GSP’s debut, and my God did I pick a good current fighter because he has really turned into a badass.
Kimbo was a joke at first, but now I feel sorta bad for him…so im hoping he wins the Ultimate Fighter show. I just wish he would either shave one boob or let them both be hairy.
by Slica on Aug 4, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So related to the TV crews story on the front page, any beat writers that anyone really likes?
I’m subscribing to the Sunday Washington Post out here, and Chico Harlan is doing an amazing job covering the Nationals. It’s very tongue-in-cheek and constantly making fun of the crappy team. For instance:
This season, on 16 occasions, rain has interfered with the daily undertakings of the Washington Nationals — a grim misfortune, if only because the Nationals generally require no assistance when it comes to botching plans. Tough as losing can be, it’s worse to wait and lose.
Or:
After the loss, Washington’s seventh in nine games under Riggleman, the manager gave his players a brief tongue-lashing that stressed several points: They were still being paid for their efforts, and fans, well-deserving of sympathy on this night, were still paying for tickets
Digging through his archives is great. I suppose it’s what the guy has to do to stay sane.
by rlintott on Aug 4, 2009 7:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hadn't even read today's yet. Nice find.
But yeah, Chico is great. Hands down one of my favorite beat writers around.
by rlintott on Aug 4, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am in a reflective mood and two of the things that I think are great about LL are:
a) The no politics and no religion rule. Every single American message board/blog I visit is blighted by the war-without-end surrounding these issues. The fact that we have fun here and the community has not yet fractuered is in no small part to do with these rules IMO.
b) The active moderation which ensures that we don’t turn into a disaster zone like Fangraphs or USSM comments.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Aug 4, 2009 7:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
USSM comments have some Eternal September going on bad.
It’s not really their fault, I think, just a side-effect of popularity.
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by JY on Aug 4, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel so sorry for the shit that Derek and Dave get there, they are awesome and one day these idiots will drive them away.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Aug 4, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they may just nuke the comments.
They’ve done it before, and they may need to do it again.
(Which might be problematic for LL).
by marc w on Aug 4, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seattle Times gives us a chance to play ....
Name this player!

by msb on Aug 4, 2009 8:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jack Wilson?
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phildopip on Aug 4, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jack Wilson!
He used to love soccer, the headline of my Seattle Times tells me.
by NOLAmarinergirl on Aug 4, 2009 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before steroids fucked him up that is.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Aug 4, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ironical steroids, that is.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Aug 4, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
.
This has to be the best unintentional humor EVER. The Running Man? Check. Techno bridge? Check. Metal core? Check. Emo chorus? Check. Headbanging keyboardist? Check.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phildopip on Aug 4, 2009 8:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm still not sure what exactly is going on there
I’ve watched it a few times, and even threw it onto my Facebook about a month ago, but nobody could help give me insight. I have no clue if they are a parody band or if they are just out of their goddamned minds
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Aug 5, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the Interweb
where this: “The Mariners fear they will not be able to sign [Felix] long term and are starting to put out feelers.”
morphs into this:
“Seattle Mariners pitcher Felix Hernandez(notes) is under contract till the end of 2011 but word is that the team is thinking about trading him this off-season, according to the Boston Globe.”
by msb on Aug 4, 2009 8:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How about that Neftali Feliz?
That two-seamer is just insane. Oh, and a 100 mph four-seamer with good movement.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 4, 2009 10:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Check out the Fangraphs piece on his debut as well.
What a trade.
by marc w on Aug 4, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ichiro is such a lady.
Yesterday as I was walking into that Starbucks I saw Ichiro and a friend sitting on the porch. They waved me over and we had a pleasant conversation. I still to this day get a little “Oh my gosh, that’s Ichiro” when I see him away from the ballpark. It is always neat to see him relaxed as he was. Chillin on the porch in his self designed private label jeans, pink tee shirt and trucker cap drinking a Frappucino with whipped cream.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 4, 2009 10:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ichiro must be one of the most recognisable baseball players in America, it must be hard for him to just go to Starbucks without getting mobbed.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Aug 4, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is in KC.
Has to help a bit.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 4, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Adrian Beltre has been a massive disappointment in Seatlle"
all you need to know about Dave Mahler.
by msb on Aug 4, 2009 11:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's true, he has been a disappointment
instead of providing us $65M of value for his $65M contract, providing $750M of value for $65M would have been MUCH better
by seattlebruin on Aug 4, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aaaand I get back from lunch to hear him accuse him of steroid use in 2004.
swell.
by msb on Aug 4, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've all tried to tell you, but.... you don't NEED to listen to KJR.
Ever. You have free will!
by marc w on Aug 4, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Radios, TV's, and computers all have off buttons, after all.
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
by pdb on Aug 4, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't switch stations on the walkman without listening.
and sometimes I get hurt.
by msb on Aug 4, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Zduriencik knows they are still a few years away from competing, and won't spend that kind of money on Beltre"
“maybe you play Tuiasosopo, play the young guys, and you start to look for a diamond in the rough and find the next big stud at 3rd base”
by msb on Aug 4, 2009 11:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, GMZ needs to look for a diamond in the rough to play third!
How about Jack Hannahan on the Mariners? He looks pretty decent!
God I hate talk radio
by seattlebruin on Aug 4, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Salk is the best thing ever to happen to Seattle sports radio.
by BrianL on Aug 4, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jack Hannahan was like 4 RAA in July
Over a season, that’s like a ~4 WAR player.
by seattlebruin on Aug 4, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe we got Jack Hannahan and Ryan Langerhans for essentially nothing.
by BrianL on Aug 4, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, small sample size applies to Hannahan's performance
he’s not really a four-win player, far from it.
by seattlebruin on Aug 4, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, but he's useful and cost us very little.
by BrianL on Aug 4, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And as Dave pointed out today, it would be neat to see if he could play an effective shortstop.
by BrianL on Aug 4, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he can be our extra infielder next year and do an adequate defensive job,
then I will be so pumped. Having that bench guy be opposite handed from your starters is very valuable.
by Sec 108 on Aug 4, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd really rather have an all-hit no glve guy in that scenario, though
I can’t imagine a whole lot of situation where I’d rather have Jack Hannahan up over any of our other infielders
by seattlebruin on Aug 4, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see him getting a start from Beltre or Lopez if we see a RH sinkerballer
by Graham on Aug 4, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. The perfect type of player to give your guys a break aginst tough RH.
Not so much thinking as a pinch hitter.
by Sec 108 on Aug 4, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's been worth 3.6 WAR in 257 games in his career - that makes him almost an average MLB player.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3692&position=3B
Obviously, he’s 29 and probably won’t get much better, and a good deal of scouting is needed to make a judgment on his ceiling, but if he could somehow become a league average hitter (a big, big, big if), he’s a 3.5-4 WAR player over a full season with his defense over the next 2-3 years.
by Decatur on Aug 4, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a huge asset, and I think he's very underrated.
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by Jack Moore on Aug 4, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOW ARE THEY A FEW YEARS FROM COMPETITNG THEY COMPETED THIS YEAR
by acblue on Aug 4, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not enough veteran leadership.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Aug 4, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing.
As Thompson sees it, any reasonable employer would pounce on an applicant with her academic credentials, which include a 2.7 grade-point average and a solid attendance record.
Holy fuck a 2.7?!? DID YOU EVER SLEEP?!?!
She suggested that Monroe’s Office of Career Advancement shows preferential treatment to students with excellent grades. “They favor more toward students that got a 4.0. They help them more out with the job placement,” she said.
Unethical!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Teej on Aug 4, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2.7 GPA and solid attendance
She might as well say she’s considering a career in temping.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Aug 4, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a 2.8 GPA and terrible attendance
and I’m doing just fine
by seattlebruin on Aug 4, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if I sued my alma mater, they wouldn't have any money to lose to me anyway.
I’d just get an IOU.
by seattlebruin on Aug 4, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right, I take that back.
GPA is not as predictive as most people would think it is, and it’s become more ridiculous since we’ve invested so much more in standardized testing.
I got my 2.7 GPA in high school. By all rights I should be getting my ass kicked right now.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Aug 4, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, I graduated a top 25 undergrad engineering school with a degree that not many people have
and she has what appears to be an IT degree when that field isn’t really expanding
by seattlebruin on Aug 4, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not an IT degree, it's an IT business administration degree
Difference
by Graham on Aug 4, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And a Bachelors at that.
Even the MBA has become a bit of a joke these days from what I’ve heard.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Aug 4, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously? That's kind of cool.
Hooray for the system!
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by JY on Aug 4, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you get into Cambridge with a 2.7?
by Lanky on Aug 4, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy shit. I think I did six: (2) english, (2) government, (2) economics.
I think those are probably about the easiest six, as well. I’m guessing you did math and science?
by Lanky on Aug 4, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both English ones, US and Euro History, then Calc, Physics, Chem, Enviro and CompSci
by Graham on Aug 4, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AP Scholars (with distinction!)
I always wonder how similar APs were to A levels in the UK. Any thoughts on the matter?
My proudest moment in high school was getting a 5 on an AP test when I was denied admittance to the AP class. Fucking teacher.
by marc w on Aug 4, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think AP is easier.
The technical A-levels (maths, physics, etc.) are probably advanced freshmen level college classes in the states. APs are more like normal freshman classes. Not that I’ve ever sat an A level.
by Graham on Aug 4, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds about right, but then I hear
that the maths A level has an “A” grade rate of damn near 50% and I can’t square that with ‘advanced freshman level classes." 45% of advanced freshman don’t get an A in college math.
I hear they have something like an A plus now, given that so many people got As.
by marc w on Aug 5, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
However tough the individual tests are, I think it's hilarious
that Singapore mandates something like 8 for their high school students.
by marc w on Aug 5, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That happened to me
It was doubly sweet because I got denied admittance to AP Calc and ended up getting a D in the regular Calc class.
by sammy on Aug 5, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well he IS one of the sexy people.
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by Eyebrows on Aug 4, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your university is on par with Monroe College
by NOLAmarinergirl on Aug 4, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently Monroe College is better than Columbia
by seattlebruin on Aug 4, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It says there that Monroe is run by the lizardmen of the Triad.
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by Eyebrows on Aug 4, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck, I'm wasting my money then.
Aside, I really do love Wikipedia, particularly when they do those silly things that eventually get edited away into oblivion. My favorite was a subcategory of things no one has ever tried to turn into gold, which included Sherilyn Fenn.
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by JY on Aug 4, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
She seems perfectly delightful - I can't imagine why she hasn't been able to secure gainful employment.
Especially with that shiny GPA and “solid” attendance record.
by Lanky on Aug 4, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just love the fact that three months' unemployment has caused her enough "stress" to do this
I was unemployed for three months last year and I didn’t really feel like suing anybody. I just drank a lot.
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by pdb on Aug 4, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
She also misspelled "tuition" in her complaint
I recently graduated with my Bachelors in April 2009. I am seeking a reinbursement of $70,000 from my tutision because the Office of Career Advancement Information Technology Couselors are not making sure their Monroe e-recruiting clients call the graduates that recently finished college for a interview to get a job placement.
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by tootthekazoo on Aug 5, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the university might want to consider settling this quietly before more people
see that they graduated a retard.
by marc w on Aug 6, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garbage in garbage out though
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by pdb on Aug 6, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't think that's a good argument for a college to make.
by marc w on Aug 6, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not but the thought of that kid profiting on this makes me vomit.
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by pdb on Aug 6, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
She could be an officer in the military very easily I imagine.
Or enlist as an E-4, I believe they still pay up to $60,000 in tuition if you choose that option (prorated over the 4 year contract but you don’t find out about that until after you sign). She sounds like army material to me
by Kermit. on Aug 6, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really.
I don’t think it works backwards that way, for one thing, and secondly I know plenty of officers and mil vets around campus and they consistently have among the highest grades of anyone there. Not all of them are brilliant, but nearly all of them will bust ass and get the work done.
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by JY on Aug 6, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does work backwards that way.
It’s called the college loan repayment program. Like Kermit said, you can opt for it when you join up.
by coolguyrob on Aug 6, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That does make sense actually.
I’ve known a few guys who joined while they were still in college. Some of them had to take a year off or two for training and whatnot, but they were able to continue with the bills paid.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Aug 6, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it's just a recruitment tool.
Same way they promise kids money for college. If you have a 4-year degree you can join as an E-4 and get help repaying your college loans.
by coolguyrob on Aug 6, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enlisting as an E-4 after securing a bachelors degree? It used to work exactly that way.
They were still doing that at the end of the 90’s. And yes there are fine ROTC officers
by Kermit. on Aug 6, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still doing it.
It’s up to $65,000 currently
by coolguyrob on Aug 6, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was pretty unusual from my experience.
I only met one, a mechanical engineer who spent most of his time as a driver for a captain in a construction engineer unit. The captain had a degree in ceramics, as in art degree. Endlessly amusing situation.
by Kermit. on Aug 6, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha! that's awesome
We have quite a few that do that in the linguist field, usually 2-3 per platoon or so.
by coolguyrob on Aug 6, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same problem as I have in restaurants, where every other plate looks better than mine.
Your job sounds very interesting, and I bet the BEQ are pretty nice
by Kermit. on Aug 6, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well in the regulary Army it's the barracks just like everyone else
But yeah with what I do now, the quarters are pretty nice. I’ve got a sweet 3 bedroom apartment right in the middle of downtown. All paid for by you guys, thanks taxpayers!
by coolguyrob on Aug 6, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just send you a FB friend request
fell free to check out pics of the digs
by coolguyrob on Aug 6, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And wow this was late, my apologies.
As a side note, I do not like add once a point has been made and I recognize this was unnecessary. Purely unintentional.
by Kermit. on Aug 6, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody downloading the mega Spinal Tap pack for Rock Band today?
I can’t wait to get home and rock out to Stonehenge and Heavy Duty.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phildopip on Aug 4, 2009 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They were atrocious on TDS last week.
At first, I thought it was some sort of spoof, but nope. Hopefully you get the classic versions.
by waldo rojas on Aug 4, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're re-recorded versions, but from what I've heard of them (Stonehenge, America, Tonight I'm Gonna Rock You), they're pretty true to the originals.
Though, Flower People and Sex Farm have been “reimagined”.
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by Phildopip on Aug 4, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm. I think I've taken a class with the Mariner's hitting coach's son.
At least, I know he goes to the same university as me, and I know he looks familiar.
by craig3410 on Aug 4, 2009 3:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So im watching Baltimore-Detroit
Washburn vs. Matusz.
Washburn’s first 4 pitches: Ball, Laser Foul, Laser Foul, Double. Raburn is in center, Granderson is not playing. Reimold drills a pitch to deep center in the next at bat.
Very intrigued about Washburn starting without our field and our defense. Especially with Granderson sitting.
by Slica on Aug 4, 2009 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Status: ERA - slightly less shiny.
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by Eyebrows on Aug 4, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ball bounces off Everett's glove for a single.
2-0. Washburn again gets a double play to avoid the game being blown open.
He has not looked impressive. And his command is off to boot. He tried to throw the dolphin and nearly threw it over Laird’s head.
by Slica on Aug 4, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In play run(s)
RBI single.
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by Eyebrows on Aug 4, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has Granderson been having an off year defensively, due to a string of injuries, or one lingering injury?
Reoccurring injury? Nagging injury? And I’m done.
by Kermit. on Aug 4, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think so.
I have no idea why he is sitting tonight, but I have been without the internet for the last 2-3 weeks, so if he is injured again…I didn’t know.
Washburn got a broke bat double play from Jones. Matusz looks alright thus far. I know he has great command and his changeup looks good. He is the other reason im watching this game right now.
by Slica on Aug 4, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Craigslist ad an open letter. "Hey Crackhead"
by Kermit. on Aug 4, 2009 5:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gaahhhhhh did not check "open in new window"
Posted link directly, my bad.
by Kermit. on Aug 4, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Aug 4, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I especially liked the part...
where he implies that crackheads have regular access to Craigslist and continually look up items addressed to “Crackhead”
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by JY on Aug 4, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DID HE DIED?
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by Phildopip on Aug 5, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey kid, kick the ball.

…
Just kick it. Kick the ball, kid.
KICK IT. KICK IT ALREADY!
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by Eyebrows on Aug 5, 2009 9:06 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I want to shove that kid on the ground and kick it myself.
by royalcurve on Aug 5, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Posnanski got promoted!
He’s now a senior writer for Sports Illustrated. Awesome news.
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by pdb on Aug 5, 2009 9:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good for Joe. Especially the part where he will pull and SI salary but still live in KC.
by Sec 108 on Aug 5, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, that's really cool.
I’m like him, I have always viewed SI as kinda the pinnacle of the sports-journalist world, and the fact that one of my favorite writers is writing there regularly now is awesome.
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by pdb on Aug 5, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saw a guy in a Stephon Marbury jersey walking along the highway today.
Kind of weird given I live in western Wisconsin…
Also, the medicine I got for my recurrent headaches says I can’t drink with it. FUCK!
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by Jack Moore on Aug 5, 2009 11:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I had drinks with a guy in a Chris Mullin jersey on Saturday.
Mint condition, purchased less than a month ago.
by Teej on Aug 5, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that jersey probably came with directions that MANDATE drinking.
Was it a Pacers, GS Warriors or St. Johns jersey?
by marc w on Aug 5, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Ian looks like yet another Hairston

by msb on Aug 5, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the fuck's all this about MLB banning the bullpen helmets?
Fuck Anaheim.
by Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth on Aug 5, 2009 2:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They're probably too shiny or something
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by pdb on Aug 5, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are not uniforms or equipment, sez Drayer
“Lowe has a call out to the union regarding the helmet issue. “They don’t know what they are dealing with in the Mariner pen!”"
by msb on Aug 5, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either are pink backpacks, but they allow those.
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by Eyebrows on Aug 5, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wonder if it is because the backpacks are out of sight during the game...
by msb on Aug 5, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I imagine that's what it is.
I can see Selig ranting, “Those bullpens are not your fucking dorm room! You put up the helmets today, and next thing you know it’s Jonas Brothers posters and lava lamps”
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by Eyebrows on Aug 5, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish we could go back to the days when relievers grew vegetable gardens in bullpens
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by pdb on Aug 5, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could grow some nice tomatoes at Safeco.
by msb on Aug 5, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sec108 has a zen garden at his seats. Ichiro loves it.
Illegible
by kevin_ess on Aug 5, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe how many people are in the stands.
Illegible
by kevin_ess on Aug 5, 2009 7:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fuck. Wrong thread. Hi wine, I love you.
Illegible
by kevin_ess on Aug 5, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So a historic friendly, a 4-0 loss with a party atmosphere, eh?
No, not that 4-0 loss. This one. Qwest would look better with giant stone heads all around it.
But in all seriousness – WTF is up with those angry salmon-colored Barca away shirts? Do they work on road crews in the off season? Those things are horrible.
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by pdb on Aug 6, 2009 8:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would like to see this
A war dance failed to throw Chilean champions Colo Colo off their game
by NOLAmarinergirl on Aug 6, 2009 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were pretty gross.
And on top of the color, they didn’t have the players’ names on the back either. You figure it’s a friendly in a foreign country . . . you might want to let people know who you are. Particularly people like me who only really know of Messi and Henry.
by Teej on Aug 6, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Messi was the one that made our bum hurt :(
by Robert on Aug 6, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After he scored the second goal, I was kicking myself.
Because before the game, I was talking about how excited I was to see him play. NOT TO THAT DEGREE, YOU ASSHOLE.
by Teej on Aug 6, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turns out you can't get into Qwest Field at the half by using an old Seahawks/Jets ticket stub.
by Robert on Aug 6, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you put a $20 on top of it you'd probably find your way in the door
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by pdb on Aug 6, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
People were scalping the tickets for 50 dollars well into the second half
by Robert on Aug 6, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Impressive.
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by pdb on Aug 6, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting. I know someone who had an unclaimed ticket.
I should find out what he made on it.
by Sec 108 on Aug 6, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was so effortless last night it was unreal
I know it’s just a friendly, but still. Dude’s unbelievable. I’m hoping he becomes disenchanted with success, fame, and riches in late 2010 and signs as Portland’s cap-exempt player for 2011.
It should be noted here that I also hope to go home and find a box containing $100 million in cash on my porch.
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by pdb on Aug 6, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, those jerseys were horrible
Maybe they’re gunning for a new sponsor.
by EJO on Aug 6, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope I'm not stealing Eyebrows' thunder here
but this gif is too good:

I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phildopip on Aug 6, 2009 8:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate to tell you this dear, but I believe we've seen that one already.
Still – Picard and Chunk? Delicious!
by royalcurve on Aug 6, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are stealing it, because I've already posted it.
ANGER.
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by Eyebrows on Aug 6, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm trying to figure out what this is.
Is it a display of “Shucks, it’s alright”?
Or, is it some terrifying Cupid-bat?
by rlintott on Aug 6, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two fish bumpin' uglies?
Or a cross-eyed person?
Or two breasts with stretch marks and beads glued to the side?
Or two Kirbys (Kirbies?) doing a little dance with their backs to each other?
by rlintott on Aug 6, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...amazon.com has a release date for Mass Effect 2. January 30, 2010.
Is this just speculative on their part, or do they know something that nobody else does? This is the first firm release date I’ve seen.
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by Phildopip on Aug 6, 2009 9:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That seems insanely early.
I had it pegged for Q4 2010.
by BrianL on Aug 6, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They've been saying for a while that it would be Q1 2010 (or, fiscal Q4 2009 depending on how you want to look at it) which is January-March.
I’m just happy that it appears that they are going to be on the early side of their target window.
In talking with one of my friends who works at Darkhorse Comics (who is releasing the Liara T’Soni comics in January) he said that EA was trying to release the game more or less alongside the comic, and I believe the comic is slated to be released on January 10th.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phildopip on Aug 6, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, looks like I won't be able to put off purchasing and finishing Dragon Age Origins if Bioware is really going to release ME2 that early.
by BrianL on Aug 6, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Dragon Age going to be that good?
I’m hearing mixed things about it. And it seems like the majority of the criticisms call it boring.
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by Phildopip on Aug 6, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As far as I'm concerned Bioware has earned the benefit of the doubt.
by BrianL on Aug 6, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
I haven’t played the Baldur’s Gate series, but KOTOR and Mass Effect have definitely made me a big fan of theirs.
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by Phildopip on Aug 6, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is everyone in here because our other social mediums are dying?
by NOLAmarinergirl on Aug 6, 2009 10:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Are both twitter and facebook down elsewhere?
I just figured mine were retarded.
by rlintott on Aug 6, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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