A Comparison
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 22, 2009 1:35 PM PDT
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| Stat | Pitcher A | Pitcher B |
| Strike% | 61.9% | 62.2% |
| Oswing% | 23.7% | 24.7% |
| Zswing% | 68.5% | 68.7% |
| Ocontact% | 69.2% | 61.5% |
| Zcontact% | 89.2% | 88.8% |
| Contact% | 84.2% | 81.8% |
| Zone% | 50.8% | 51.0% |
| Fstrike% | 58.0% | 59.3% |
Assume same handedness.
Oswing% = rate of swings on pitches out of the zone
Zswing% = rate of swings on pitches in the zone
Ocontact% = contact rate of swings on pitches out of the zone
Zcontact% = contact rate of swings on pitches in the zone
Zone% = percentage of pitches in the zone
Fstrike% = rate of first pitch strikes
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Probably someone who believes Jeff is trying to make fools of us all.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Aug 22, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm serious too.
People that picked A are either doing it because they think it’s funny or just to be different or are too stupid to read. There’s not a single piece of evidence presented that justifies picking A.
I hate you people.
by Matthew on Aug 22, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
In fairness.
The two players are pretty similar, at least to the uninformed eye. I’d be thrilled that most people picked Player B.
by ThundaPC on Aug 22, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fans of Pitch-to-contact.
Not saying it’s right, just saying it’s possible.
by ThundaPC on Aug 22, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those people are wrong.
We don’t have to be fair to wrong.
by Matthew on Aug 22, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
An accident.
Which I actually did…
Fuck the Angels!
by JMKaustin on Aug 22, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you know what the numbers mean there is no reason that you would pick the one with worse numbers.
Makes no sense at all.
by Kirkharbaugh on Aug 22, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if you don't?
It’s not that far fetched.
by ThundaPC on Aug 22, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you don't know what the numbers mean, why bother voting?
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
by gregrabble on Aug 22, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if you thought you knew but had the wrong idea?
by ThundaPC on Aug 22, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well than you made a mistake, and that's pretty much the only possible reason for picking A
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
by gregrabble on Aug 22, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The explanation was right there though.
I don’t see any way that someone could translate Washburn’s worse numbers to being a more desirable pitcher.
by Kirkharbaugh on Aug 22, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The explanation wasn't included when I first posted this
That came later.
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 22, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's amazing how clear the numbers are.
by abender20 on Aug 22, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a much smaller sample size for Pitcher B but I'm not worried about it.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Aug 22, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The new Elias Rankings estimates are out and J-Wash is in danger of not being a Type B.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Aug 22, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where can I find these stats?
I know this has been asked 100 times before but I can’t remember for the life of me.
by Kirkharbaugh on Aug 22, 2009 2:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I picked Player B
But have no idea who either of them are (the only Mariner I see with 24.7 Oswing% is Doug Fister).
by ThundaPC on Aug 22, 2009 2:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
French has a 24.7 Oswing%
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
by gregrabble on Aug 22, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weird.
He’s listed as having 23.2 % on Individual Teams listings and 24.7% on the Player’s page.
That’s rather annoying.
by ThundaPC on Aug 22, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Individual Teams would only show his Mariners stats
The Player page includes his Tigers stats.
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by Jack Moore on Aug 22, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I try to keep up with sabermetrics
but I just have no fucking clue what those two sets of numbers mean.
by craig3410 on Aug 22, 2009 2:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
.
Strike% = percentage of pitches thrown for a strike
Swing% = percentage of pitches thrown that a batter swings at
Contact% = percentage of pitches swung at that a batter makes contact with
Zone% = percentage of pitches thrown inside the strike zone (as determined by pitch F/X)
Fstrike% = percentage of first pitch strikes
Prefix O = pitch is outside the strike zone (as determined by pitch F/X)
Prefix Z = pitch is inside the strike zone (as determined by pitch F/X)
by Matthew on Aug 22, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference between Strike% and Zone% is essentially the difference between umpires and robots?
Mike Scioscia is fat.
by Big Jared on Aug 22, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Zone% is the number of pitches determined by an observer to end in the strike zone. Strike% is the number of pitches that end in a strike. You can get strikes on pitches out of the zone when the batter swings.
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 22, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want either pitcher A or B on my baseball team
by Rudy4three on Aug 22, 2009 4:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Even though pitcher B is perfectly suited to your park and makes no money?
by acblue on Aug 22, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would prefer he's my #1 starter in AAA.
by Rudy4three on Aug 22, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And bring in a free agent...
That makes 5x more and pitches no more effectively to be the fifth starter?
by Sidi on Aug 22, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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