Mariners Acquire Bill Hall
This is starting to get boring, the Front Office constantly doing things that we talk about. It's finally like Field Gulls. According to Shannon Drayer and others via Twitter, Bill Hall has been acquired for RHP Ruben Flores.
First, Ruben Flores turned 25 this year and is still pitching between A and High-A ball. He missed all of 2008 and has been pitching exclusively out of the bullpen this year and posting pretty unspectacular numbers. He will not be missed in the slightest.
Bill Hall, meanwhile, is owed $8.4 million next year and at least $0.5 million in 2011 (or an additional $8.75 million to exercise a club option). The salary numbers are obviously really curious as to what this means for 2010. The Brewers have to throwing in cash on this deal, they just have to. (Jeff's note: Milwaukee's covering almost all of the cost. Hooray!)
Bill Hall was a fantastic hitter in 2005 and 2006 and absolutely flipped the switch off ever since then. He can play 2B, 3B and CF at an above-average level which is a lot of defensive versatility. We will wait to see how much money is coming back to us, as that is the key to the deal, but Bill Hall can be a $10-15 million guy in value if he relearns how to hit and he (and/or Hannahan) likely takes over the starting 3B job next year should Adrian Beltre depart.
Jeff's input: It's really tempting to look at Hall's track record and say "hey if he can get back to doing what he did in 2006, then that'd be spectacular." But 2006 was three years ago. In 2006, Travis Hafner was the best hitter in baseball and Bronson Arroyo had the fourth-best ERA in the NL. There's always a chance that Hall could suddenly re-discover what once made him so good, and this *is* a change-of-scenery deal, but what we have to focus on is how to make Hall useful assuming he remains what he's been since 2007. And the best way to make this version of Bill Hall useful is to get him the majority of his playing time against left-handed pitchers while playing all over the infield. He's a utility/platoon guy until he proves otherwise, and while that's by no means a problem since the Brewers are footing the bill, it's best not to expect too much.
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I don't have time to write about this right now but I have to imagine the Brewers are throwing in a ton of cash
If they’re not, then I don’t like this.
Through next year
And Dave says the Brewers are picking up almost all of the cost. So there you go.
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 19, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't count on his bat coming around
I know it’s a change of scenery and all, but the guy hasn’t been an average or above-average hitter in three years. Useful as a platoon guy, likely overextended as a regular.
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 19, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I still find it hard to believe that Hall could hit well at 26 and 26 and have nothing left in the tank at 28-29
Of course we weren't expecting Gutz to hit all that well were we?
Hopefully we’ll be wrong again!
A Mariners fan in Seattle
Baker says he'll be on the ML roster
Any idea who gets sent down? Could Jack Wilson be put on the DL retroactive to some date last week?
Could be that
Could be finally DFA’ing Batista. Who knows.
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 19, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
PLEASE DEAR GOODNESS PLEASE!!!!
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by PositivePaul on Aug 19, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Josh Wilson?
If they’re going to try and use him in a utility role, then he’s basically the same as Wilson. Only with talent.
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Where was the post recommending us getting Hall again?
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
I read the fanshot here and then dedicated a post to it on my blog like a week ago
I’m 100% confident Jack Zduriencik read my blog and then made the move
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err wait that still doesn't clear a 25 man spot.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 19, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I am sad that this probably means, like Dave mentioned, the end of Beltre.
Gonna miss ya, King Awesome!
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Eh, Beltre was probably gone long ago as this park kills him
and 2010 will really be his last big opportunity to get paid.
At least this means possible compensation, right?
I just hope that Belte can reach Type A status.
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Added my thoughts to the post if anyone cares
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 19, 2009 3:41 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
But seriously, I love this move.
A Hannahan/Hall platoon at 3B next year means we will still have one of ’em available every day a super-utility player, we will still have great defense at 3B, and we will have more cash to spend elsewhere (Branyan extension, Felix extension (please)).
A nifty platoon with Hannahan at 3B, back-up to Jack Wilson at 3B and extra OF....
This could be very useful even after taking Jeff’s caveats into account.
Both he and Hannahan have atrocious K rates largely because they’re so completely lost against same-handed pitchers.
From his picture, it looks like he should get along well with Jakubostrich.
I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.
Bill Hall just needs a pink bat to find his swagger at the plate.
by Wilder. on Aug 19, 2009 3:55 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I've always been a huge fan of Bill Hall
All he does is play hard and although most intellectual communities shun the idea of playing hard with the absence of mathematical reinforcement, if we plug him in at 3rd for the time being, we won’t lose too much defensive prowess platooning with Hannahan but get the potential of a power bat.
With that said, there is little to no substance when I say that. His numbers from the past 2-3 years indicate regressions in almost every relevant category (BABIP, LD%, OPS, etc), but he is moving to a worse pitching division and a slightly better hitters park. I just hope this change in scenery will do something for him. His position flexibility [||] isn’t a bad thing either.
The idea of the brewers paying for most to all of the contract makes this a low risk low reward move too. Not a incredible move and too early to judge the returns, but I like it.
WELCOME TO THE ZONE.
If Hall and Hannahan platoon, this name's already taken
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 19, 2009 4:06 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
you do know there were baseball players before 1997 or so, right?
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
Go search B-Ref for Bill Hall
That’s where Jeff found it.
Hallahan is a name.
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I love low-risk high-reward signings.
If he craps out, then the teams only out a nominal amount, like a million or two.
If he finds where he left his bat speed and gap power, he’s a cheap, great supersub.
Glancing at Fangraphs
His O-Swing% and O-Contact% jumped in ’07, almost like he changed his approach in order to put more crappy pitches into play (his IFFB% jumped too). Weird.
by Manzanillos Cup on Aug 19, 2009 4:14 PM PDT reply actions
He's pretty much always swung at an average/above-average number of pitches out of the zone
It’s just that the average has also jumped around due to being measured differently.
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 19, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Interestingly, I could not find much of a difference in his StatCorner stuff.
Whatever, as you pointed out in your comments, the Brewers are basically footing the bill on this one so Bill Hall costs us nothing but a roster spot and at worst, at worst, he’s basically a RH-version of Hannahan. Which gives us the chance to have two great versatile bench bats next season or a halfway decent 3B platoon.
Ahhh, OK, this was my mistake.
I wish the context was more obvious there.
by Manzanillos Cup on Aug 19, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
His defense at 3B isn't MLB ready now and it might never be.
by Aaron Campeau on Aug 19, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Hence why he has been playing some 2B.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 19, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought his arm is fine, but footwork/glovework isn't great.
Which is why he will probably turn into corner OF down the road a bit.
It's not like Hall or Hannahan are impossible to move should Tui force his way in
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 19, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
There's the chance we could move the platoon to 3B and move Lopez, too.
He could probably net a decent arm or something.

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