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I watched it all go down, and it made me mad. Then I remembered that the win didn't really matter, and it made me indifferent. Then I remembered that the win mattered to Felix, and it made me mad.

  • Earlier this week I was thinking about launching a series entitled Why Mark Lowe Is Different. Or maybe What's Different About Mark Lowe? Or possibly Mark Lowe: Different! Why? I don't know, I didn't really think about the name. But what it was going to be was a series of posts testing out different theories as to why Lowe's been pitching so much better. I gave him a lot of crap earlier in the season for pitching well below his ability, but then it looked like he had turned it around, and I wanted to know why. I intended to begin with the hypothesis that nothing had changed, and that it was all just statistical variation, and go from there. Pitch type, pitch movement, pitch location, delivery, and so on - in the pursuit of knowledge, no stone imaginable may go unturned.

    Well I'm glad I didn't start running that series because that's three games in a row now that Lowe's really struggled. Not that I don't think he's better now than he was earlier in the year - he had a 1.6 K/BB and 8% swinging strike rate through July 5th and stands at 5.3 and 14% since - but that just would've been really bad timing, and I'm thinking that maybe I should just hold out until the offseason before writing anything like that. You know, just in case. Because the thing about relievers is that on any given night they can make anyone look like an idiot.

    Mark Lowe: better pitcher, lousy night. Though he deserved a little better, he made far too many mistakes.

  • Of course, the whole eighth inning wouldn't have happened as it did were it not for a couple fielding miscues that kind of flew under the radar a little bit. The first - a chopper that got by Josh Wilson's glove - came after a homer and a line drive had already caused viewers to sour on Lowe, and the second - a blown pickoff by Russ Branyan that allowed Ryan Raburn to steal home - came after Detroit had already taken the lead and caused Mariner fans to mentally surrender. Mark Lowe wasn't good, but those four runs were by no means all his fault.

    Those were big mistakes. I imagine that Wilson will escape blame on account of his night at the plate and that chopper being a tough short-hop, but if he makes that play - as I think most big league shortstops would be able to do - there's a man on second and two out instead of men on the corners and one, and that's huge. In the former situation, Lowe's one out away and has some wiggle room. In the latter situation, the tying run's 90 feet away and odds are good that he'll have to see Miguel Cabrera. The win expectancy swing of that error was -22.5%, as compared to the +16.6% boost from Wilson's home run, and that error took us from being heavy favorites to a coin flip. That's an unfortunate way for Wilson to remember what should've been a happy night.

    As for the other miscue, it's funny; rundowns fall into the category of plays that're really hard to execute yourself but that you expect Major Leaguers to pull off with 100% efficiency. Which isn't to say that I excuse Branyan for his mistake, but the whole time he was chasing Cabrera I was thinking "oh God he has to watch two guys and throw on the run." So although I was disappointed by the result, I understood how it could happen. Just like with the grounder to Wilson, Branyan usually does better and knows what he did wrong, but it just so happened that today they both screwed up in the same inning and as such made a significant contribution to the losing effort. Sorry Felix :(

  • Felix Hernandez (I'm spelling his name out now at least once for Search Engine Optimization!) came out of the game after seven innings and 106 pitches. As you've probably heard by now, the reason he didn't come back out for the eighth was because his legs started cramping up. Not that he would've been able to go much longer anyway, given his season high of 117, but hey, who knows what would've happened?

    That's the downside. Literally the only downside to his start is that minor leg cramps ended his night at 106 pitches. Everything before that was peaches. What is there that's left to be said? Were I in a more eloquent mood I could probably describe his performance with a poem or a fake dialogue, but I feel boring, so I'll just tell you that he missed 14 bats and struck out nine guys while walking one. He whiffed the left-handed and awesome Curtis Granderson three times. And he featured a pitch that - I'm going to say it - looked an awful lot like the Royal Curve I at one point thought he had lost. It was a sharp curve with a lot of break both left and down, and it made the Tigers look helpless. Of the 18 he threw, they only swung at three. And hit one. I love that pitch. Not that Felix really needs a fourth good pitch, but I like when he has it because it lets me feel smug. "Oh, Johan has a good changeup? That's neat. Felix has a good everything."

    A wonderful start that, even without the win, should help his standing in the race for the Cy Young.

  • My friend texted me just now to say that Kyle Blanks just hit an inside-the-park home run. Holy shit I love Kyle Blanks

  • Clete Thomas led off the bottom of the second with a foul pop-up down the third base line. As Ryan Langerhans ran in pursuit and slid to make a catch, a fan reached out a good three or four feet onto the field to interfere. However, rather than call the batter out, umpire Dan Iassonga ruled it a foul ball, offering this justification:

    "He said he saw the fan interfere but because because he (Langerhans) was sliding and it wasn't just a routine catch, he couldn't just award him that,'' said Wakamatsu, who ran out to argue.

    Here's the play in question:

    Langerslide_medium

    I get what Iassonga means, and there's probably no 100% right or 100% wrong solution to this. But that's an awful long way for a fan to reach out, and were it not for his glove, I'm pretty sure Langerhans makes that catch. Even had this happened in our favor, rather than to our detriment, I would've supported a ruling of fan interference.

  • The game ended with a 12-pitch strikeout of Jose Lopez by Fernando Rodney with the tying run on second base. The at bat began with two strikes, but Lopez took three balls and fouled off six more pitches before finally swinging through a low fastball. People love to talk about how at bats like this are a battle of wills between the hitter and the pitcher, but the struggle nobody talks about is the struggle felt by the fans who want to get up, applaud, and cheer for the final strike.

    After Pitch 1: Atta boy Rodney, great pitch! Two more!
    After Pitch 2: One more! One more to go! Yeah baby c'mooooonnnnnn Fernan-DO!
    After Pitch 3: Good pitch, he barely touched it! You got this! WOOOOOOO
    After Pitch 4: No biggie, no biggie, gotta waste one. Let's get him now, your pitch!
    After Pitch 5: Whoaaa can't believe he held up! Great pitch! Do it again, he can't touch you!
    After Pitch 6: Barely got a piece! You just have to
    After Pitch 7: WHERE WAS THAT
    After Pitch 8: In control, in control, it's...c'mon now
    After Pitch 9: uh
    After Pitch 10: fuck this COME ONNNN
    During Pitch 11: :sits down:
    After Pitch 11: :makes a scene of standing back up, sighs: :claps very slowly: all right listen up now you piddly son of a bitch
    After Pitch 12: YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH

    Tonight, 33,710 Tiger fans were given a reason to find Jose Lopez annoying. They won't necessarily remember why, but they'll remember what. When Lopez plays the Tigers three years down the road, one Tigers fan will say to another "oh God I hate this guy," and when the other Tigers fan asks the first Tigers fan why, the first Tigers fan will reply "I dunno he just seems like one of those guys."

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That last note about Lopez was awesome.

Rec’d just for that.

I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.
P.S. Fuck the Angels!

by Hopefulmsfan on Aug 19, 2009 1:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And I know that this has been beaten into the ground.

But they seriously need to find a new stat other than wins because Bobby Seay pitched like shit and he gest the win. That’s terrible.

I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.
P.S. Fuck the Angels!

by Hopefulmsfan on Aug 19, 2009 1:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Who is they?

Because there are plenty of stats other than wins.

by Matthew on Aug 19, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, pretty much.

I know MLB won’t change it but if a Quality Start or something to that extent could at least become an official stat, Felix would no longer get screwed.

I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.
P.S. Fuck the Angels!

by Hopefulmsfan on Aug 19, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quality starts are a stat.

Nothing makes a stat official per se, unless you are speaking of it being tallied in the box score like wins and losses.

by Wilder. on Aug 19, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, pretty much.

Any sports writer or reporter that uses a W-L record as the true talent level of a pitcher. It’s mostly that I’m just worried that even though Felix has been pitching so well, because he’s not getting wins, he’ll be robbed of any real Cy Young consideration.

I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.
P.S. Fuck the Angels!

by Hopefulmsfan on Aug 19, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Felix is awesome whether or not he wins a Cy Young though.

Don’t get too hung up on whether players win awards or not as a method of validating their careers. Felix will be a stud pitcher for a long, long time, and at some point he might win a Cy Young – if he doesn’t this year, that doesn’t mean he had a bad year. It just means sportswriters are stupid.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Aug 19, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really should read Fangraphs every once in a while.

That’s a great article.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Aug 19, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Subscribe to the RSS feed.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Aug 19, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just did.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Aug 19, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of RSS feeds, I want to make one for myself and have no idea where to begin.

I mean, I have scores of websites I read regularly, so I have that at least, but what are the best programs or websites for doing that that make it easiest on a non-computer savvy person like myself?

by Decatur on Aug 19, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Google Reader, definitely

It’s ultra-simple. When you sign up (if you’ve got Gmail you’re already signed up), there’s a button on the top left that says “add a subscription” – that’s where you put in the URL of the site you want to subscribe to. For instance, the Fangraphs one I just signed up for is

http://feeds.feedburner.com/FanGraphs

so I put that in the “add a subscription” box and off it went. Most sites these days have a section on their front page marked “RSS” that will list out the various feeds they have – FanGraphs, for instance, has a Fantasy one, a Recent Stories one (which is the one I listed above), and a few others. It will completely change the way you read websites.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Aug 19, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with pdb.

Google Reader is pretty fantastic.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Aug 19, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the rare website that I look at comment sections anyway

LL has set a very high bar for comment sections and the rest of them disappoint me.

Fart.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Aug 19, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you would be surprised how quickly things are changing.

Many media outlets are coming to realize that the advanced metrics being used in player evaluation have value.

Take EPSN for example. Reporters like Peter Gammons, Tim Kurkjian, and Buster Olney are more of the traditionalists. But ESPN has brought in people like Keith Law and Rob Neyer to push the advanced metrics. It has gotten to the point where the traditionalists frequently reference these new stats and are becoming the standard.

Yeah, not all of the voters are going to know the mistakes they are making, but every year it is getting better. And when it comes down to it, Felix still hasn’t been the best pitcher this year anyway. It sucks Felix was unlucky again about not picking up the win, but the media does recognize how good he is.

by Wilder. on Aug 19, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great recap.

By the way, in the little that I’ve seen of him, Langerhans looks pretty good with the glove, no? (I mean, much as I loved him, I think Raul wouldn’t have come close to getting interfered by the fan).

by Sam Regens on Aug 19, 2009 3:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I just don't see how that wouldn't be called interference.

The fan is reaching way over the wall. I know Wak is mild mannered but I really surprised he didn’t flip out.

by houseofprime on Aug 19, 2009 4:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, the explanation that the ump gave that Jeff quotes

Sounds like the sort of thing someone says when they’re trying to cover their ass.

Even if his explanation is technically correct (which I don’t know the rules about fan interference well enough to say, if they even cover situations like these) I think you have to give the defender the benefit of the doubt in that situation.

All that being said, though, I prefer Wak’s way of handling these things to throwing bases around all over the place.

by Jeff Nye on Aug 19, 2009 6:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The word piddly is highly underused.

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Aug 19, 2009 4:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ahem.

Rule 3.16

When there is spectator interference with any thrown or batted ball, the ball shall be dead at the moment of interference and the umpire shall impose such penalties as in his opinion will nullify the act of interference.

APPROVED RULING: If spectator interference clearly prevents a fielder from catching a fly ball, the umpire shall declare the batter out.

Rule 3.16 Comment: There is a difference between a ball which has been thrown or batted into the stands, touching a spectator thereby being out of play even though it rebounds onto the field and a spectator going onto the field or reaching over, under or through a barrier and touching a ball in play or touching or otherwise interfering with a player. In the latter case it is clearly intentional and shall be dealt with as intentional interference as in Rule 3.15. Batter and runners shall be placed where in the umpire’s judgment they would have been had the interference not occurred.

No interference shall be allowed when a fielder reaches over a fence, railing, rope or into a stand to catch a ball. He does so at his own risk. However, should a spectator reach out on the playing field side of such fence, railing or rope, and plainly prevent the fielder from catching the ball, then the batsman should be called out for the spectator’s interference.

Example: Runner on third base, one out and a batter hits a fly ball deep to the outfield (fair or foul). Spectator clearly interferes with the outfielder attempting to catch the fly ball. Umpire calls the batter out for spectator interference. Ball is dead at the time of the call. Umpire decides that because of the distance the ball was hit, the runner on third base would have scored after the catch if the fielder had caught the ball which was interfered with, therefore, the runner is permitted to score. This might not be the case if such fly ball was interfered with a short distance from home plate.

by msb on Aug 19, 2009 8:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't directly address this sort of grey area (would've been a tough catch)

but it seems like MLB might want to add a comment making it clear that if a fielder has any chance of making a catch, the batter should be called out. Deterrent!
As it is, the fan in question probably thinks that he helped his team out, and he’s probably right.

by marc w on Aug 19, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is the part that bothered me.

And the guy knew it, too. That is why he curled up in embarrassment. The ashamed look on the friend sitting next to him is priceless.

(I know this is large, but you can’t see the ashamed guy’s expression when it is smaller.)

by Wilder. on Aug 19, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have been through that last pitch experience so many times.

Much worse than what the Detroit fans went through though is when you cheer for the final strike 20 plus times over multiple at bats only to see your closer blow the game.

by Sec 108 on Aug 19, 2009 8:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I as at this game, and it was mildly epic.

Got footage of Felix in the bullpen. The Lopez AB was worth it, even if he struck out. The fans were disinterested by the time it was over.

by spittle8 on Aug 19, 2009 9:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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