Open Signing Deadline Thread
by Graham MacAree on Aug 17, 2009 8:32 PM PDT
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PrintAs expected, Ackley and Strasburg are going to go right down to the wire (said wire being at 9:00 PM PST tonight). There are thirty minutes left to sign Ackley, so in the meantime, please have your collective freakout/calls for calm and patience here.
We may not see any news until a little after 9, so don't kill yourselves immediately if we don't have anything straight away. Personally, I'm not worried at all, but I'd like to see it done and dusted all the same.
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But you guys SAID it will happen!
I mean, it’s going to happen right? PANIC PANIC oh wait…
This signature space for rent.
Larry Stone has been on top of things
HERE.
The juicy update:
Update 7:23 p.m.: The Mariners have told reporters that Jack Zduriencik will be made available to talk to the media at 9:15 p.m., but still no indication if he will be discussing Ackley’s new contract, or explaining how he got away.
Does an MLB contract (similar to the one David Price has, for instance) for Ackley in any way affect the length of our club control time over him?
Price signed a 6-year (2007-2012) deal as per Cot’s, but they control him for six MLB years, right? What happens in 2013 or 2014 – is it just regular arbitration, or what? (Cross-apply this to Ackley, too)
It means in order to have him start a year in the minors they need to option him, pretty much
by Graham MacAree on Aug 17, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
My Understanding
is that an option lasts a whole year. So if a player were sent down/up then he can be shuttled any number of times during that season.
by gorilla_baller on Aug 17, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm torn.
Front office that’s tight as a drum vs. my insatiable need for Mariners news. Maybe y’all could let something leak every now and then just to keep me happy?
Mariners’ GM: “We’re reasonable sure that we drafted Dustin Ackley, although that’s purely speculation at this point.”
So do we contract the Nationals if Strasburgh doesn't sign in the next 15 minutes?
FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!
Blandford.
Any thoughts? I was pretty high on all of our picks from the first bunch of rounds, and I’d really prefer that the team signs him.
Also, it appears that the Rays not only will not sign their first round pick, but they won't sign their 2nd round pick as well.
Oops.
FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!
Is there a place online (Twitter, etc.) to follow the signings in realtime?
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Aug 17, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I am just refreshing BA's draft blog at USSM-crashing rates
You could just hang out here though, I’ll note all the first rounders
by Graham MacAree on Aug 17, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds good.
You do all the hard work, and I’ll sit here and drink and watch movies
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Aug 17, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless Broadstripe fucks everything up
by Graham MacAree on Aug 17, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Which they seem very wont to do at any given moment
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Aug 17, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Lucky.
Baseball America is refusing to open for me.
Now you've done it
Who’m I going to mooch info off of now?
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Aug 17, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
please Colorado
don’t sign Matzek. Let him be a Duck.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
ever head of Onterrio Smith?
We’ve had crazy people before.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
I am star is definitely a crazy dude, you're right.
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Six-hundred and ninety-four yards of total offense.
Although I know he's based off of Ari Emanuel, I've always thought of Ari Gold as a Hollywood version of Boras.
To answer your question, the guy has a whole firm working for him.
What channel will the Press Conference be on?
Zdurincek is talking to us in like 15, right? Where do we go to watch that?
scribble scribble scribble
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Aug 17, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
There's no way this makes it til the press conference, is there?
Would be something to see GMZ walk out and announce it himself
Like start talking about Jack Wilson's hamstring or something for two minutes.
angels fan in seattle
I guarantee you we are going to sign Strasburg
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 17, 2009 9:02 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
If we don't sign Strasburg I will literally eat a hat
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 17, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
An SDSU hat?
I think Gwynn ate all of those LOL HES FAT AMIRITE
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
When I first read this I believed, for a moment, that reality had shifted.
Then I realized that it hadn’t. Darn.
.
"We are disappointed that LeVon has chosen not to sign with the Rays," executive vice president Andrew Friedman said in a press release. "We offered him a bonus consistent with late first-round picks. Immediately following the draft, he seemed eager to sign but it has not materialized. We wish LeVon great success with his baseball career."
Does FSN Live-stream these pressers?
I hate living in Jersey…
by SebastianPruiti on Aug 17, 2009 9:03 PM PDT reply actions
Fuck the free look in at MLB Tonight ended
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
Is this official? Do you have a link?
by gorilla_baller on Aug 17, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
from MLB network
they also claim only stragsberg hasn’t been sign from the top 10
This is an odd misspelling of his name.
by Mariner John on Aug 17, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Stragsberg hasn't signed but Strasburg's well on his way
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
MLB Network reports Crow and Strasburg are the only top 12 unsigned.
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Aug 17, 2009 9:06 PM PDT reply actions
top pick Dustin Ackley
Am I missing something?
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Six-hundred and ninety-four yards of total offense.
Crow and Scheppers don't have to sign for quite a while.
I think they have until June draft next year.
by gorilla_baller on Aug 17, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Go A's.
I don’t want them with the #2 pick next year.
That's not $50 million.
Boras is losing it!
by I Lick Squirrels on Aug 17, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
You know, I honestly thought he'd go for more than that
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Aug 17, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
That's cheap.
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Aug 17, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
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Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Six-hundred and ninety-four yards of total offense.
by qrsouther on Aug 17, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ack! Sorry about that!
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Six-hundred and ninety-four yards of total offense.
I just hate people with aviary last names.
by Mariner John on Aug 17, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I can't wait until Crow finally signs and eventually hits the big leagues.
Beat writers & ESPN analysts are going to have a blast coming up with “clever” puns regarding his name.
Some might say they’ll even have a lot to crow about!
They may also have to eat Crow.
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Six-hundred and ninety-four yards of total offense.
Happens to the best of us, pal.
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Six-hundred and ninety-four yards of total offense.
Once again Lincecum goes unsigned by Seattle
by Robert on Aug 17, 2009 9:08 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Tim Lincecum was in the 2006 draft.
Not the 2009 draft. I can see where one would get confused, but try to keep in mind what year it is! =)
Sounds like Purke might not have signed
If true… between that and Schepper’s arm being all explody, hasn’t been a great draft for the Rangers
Good. Fuck them
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
by gregrabble on Aug 17, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So basically the only difference is that he'll have to be optioned to the minors?
I don’t mean to sound dense, but I usually have a pretty decent grasp on stuff like this, and I don’t get it. Why five years?
He gets a guarantee million+ dollar contract while he's in the minors
and in his first years in the majors rather than waiting til arbitration.
by Mariner John on Aug 17, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Tug Hulett made a nice catch today against the Portland Beavs.
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Six-hundred and ninety-four yards of total offense.
ACKLEYACKLEYACKLEYACKLEYACKELY
We now return to our regularly scheduled programming.
Sooooo, it doesn't look like FSN is going to televise Z's comments.
Not live, anyway.
We drafted him so I'm not sure he'd start off in the NL
by Dewey N on Aug 17, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
From Dave Cameron
I’d expect him to start next year at Double-A West Tennessee, and he could easily move up to Tacoma at some point. Barring injury or some kind of unforeseen problem, Ackley’s going to come to spring training in 2011 looking for a job with the Mariners. He’s a legitimate All-Star talent, and you should expect to see him playing for the M’s in about 18 months or so.
I haven't found it yet, I'd like to though.
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Six-hundred and ninety-four yards of total offense.
Oh, and Matzek signed for only 3.9 million (source: Keith Law's ESPN blog)
Dollar for dollar, that’s probably the third best pick in the draft.
Dave chimes in with the contract explanation
Edit: For anyone worried about the fact that the deal is "only" for five years, this doesn’t change the amount of club controlled years the M’s have him for at all. Essentially, the M’s have pre-paid for Ackley’s first two arbitration years, though the deal almost certainly comes with rules that void the contract if he’s reached certain thresholds – pretty standard stuff for premium draft picks. The M’s still control his rights for six full years. It’s a big contract, but it was still worth doing. He’s worth it.
Not really
It was a question as to whether or not they could afford Purke, and picking Scheppers was always going to be a silly gamble. If they drafted Purke when they couldn’t afford him… well.
by Graham MacAree on Aug 17, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Scheppers's arm was already blown out
If they had signed Purke it would have been ok,
by Graham MacAree on Aug 17, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
But like I said earlier that team has zero money and they picked a guy who was going to cost a lot
Apparently they couldn’t pay him, and that’s a draft day mistake
by Graham MacAree on Aug 17, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
And they were pretty quiet with international signings too
Tom Hicks must be begging on the streets now
Callis has the details
$6 mil bonus, $1.5 mil in guaranteed salaries, $2.5 mil in possible salaries depending on when he reaches the show.
Those are basically just instead of a void clause
Sometimes, they’ll build in out-clauses based on playing time, so if he had racked up (say) 1800 PA before 2013 ended, the contract would be torn up and he’d be arbitration eligible.
These incentives probably just replace that.
by davidcameron on Aug 17, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmm. Better than I'd hoped initially.
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Six-hundred and ninety-four yards of total offense.
Wow.
Do you usually incentive-based contracts given to draft signees?
Good deal for the M’s and Ackley.
There's almost always something in these deals
that keeps the kid from getting too screwed if he goes bananas and wins an MVP right out of the gates or something.
by davidcameron on Aug 17, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
For example
David Price lhp
6 years/$8.5M (2007-12)
* 6 years/$8.5M (2007-12)
o signed Major League contract with Tampa Bay 8/15/07
o $5.6M signing bonus (paid in 6 installments each Aug. 31, 2007-12)
o 07:$0.5M, 08:$0.65M, 09:$0.75M, 10:$1M, 11:$1.25M, 12:$1.5M
o salaries in minors: 08:$0.1M, 09:$0.15M, 10:$0.2M, 11:$0.65M, 12:$1.2M
o major league salaries may increase total package value to $11.25M
o Price may void salary & file for arbitration in any year he is arbitration-eligible
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 17, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
It was a good day
Our organization has more talent in it than it did 24 hours ago.
So Strasburg was only a 4 year deal?
Do same rules apply? They just didn’t buy out his arbitration years? If so, seems like they could’ve signed a 6 year deal for 22 million or a 4 year deal and then hope arb adds 20 million to that for the next two years. Is that right?
by Kenny Knows Sports on Aug 17, 2009 10:07 PM PDT reply actions
Yes. It's the same thing.
No player gets fewer than 6 years of service time before free agency unless they are released
by Mariner John on Aug 17, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Is anyone keeping track
of how many players Boras has used the “once in a generation” phrase on? I think he’s already used up his allotment for the next 20 years.
Not that I blame him, but he's changed his tune once he has the contract signed.
Boras, though, will note that Strasburg, who just turned 21, is five years younger than Matsuzaka was when he signed with Boston, and that Strasburg has better stuff than Matsuzaka….Boras doesn’t see why Strasburg should get less than Matsuzaka.
"Strasburg may or may not pitch in the major leagues next year,’’ Boras says. “We really hope they take their time developing him.”
This is OT, but this seems as good a place as any to ask.
Does anybody know what the deal is with LHP Joey Testa? It appears that he’s pitching in the Twins’ organization, but he was one of the M’s top draft picks in 2008.
me so cool
Uh, nevermind.
It looks like it’s just some sort of mistake on Baseball Cube’s behalf. They’ve got Testa as being drafted by the M’s in the 4th round in 2008, but that’s where Hensley was taken.
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