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59-54, Game Note

On the one hand, I think that, for a game with that sort of ninth inning, this one didn't feel all that bad. I think we've all sort of been preparing ourselves for Aardsma to do that, and certainly after Paul Konerko led off by flying out to the wall, we realized that, okay, this is getting absurd. Aardsma's been the recipient of a good bit of luck on line drives and fly balls so far this year, and he was long overdue for a backbreaking homer. So with that in mind, I don't think anyone was surprised. We had this coming.

But on the other hand, here's the thing about regression: it doesn't really accomplish anything or get anything "over with." All it does is drag statistics towards their true-talent average. And I bring this up because it's tempting to view Aardsma's appearance tonight as something he just had to get out of the way before going back to being good again. That's not how it works. I know we all know this, but for some reason our brains are still wired to think that "all right, now that's out of his system," and that isn't true. Leaving aside specific variables, Aardsma is no more or less likely to blow his next save opportunity than he was this one, and that makes the loss all the more infuriating. Rather than get anything out of the way, all Aardsma managed to do tonight was drop this team a game in the standings, and though I knew what it all meant when it happened, it was only when I really thought about it afterwards that it started to sink in just how unpleasant this was. I don't care if Aardsma was overdue for something like this. On any given night, the odds that he saves the game are still higher than the odds that he blows it, and tonight we got it in the shorts.

That was one hell of a mistake that cost us the game. Alexei Ramirez is phenomenally weak for a guy with 13 homers, but when you're facing a fastball pitcher, and you prepare for the heat, and he throws you a splitter instead, and he misses up and inside, it's not that hard to get the bat head around and put a charge into the ball. By badly missing his location, Aardsma sped up Ramirez's bat to the point where it had enough juice to hit the ball out, and weak guy homers count just the same as the big guy ones do. Credit to Alexei for turning on that ball with lightning speed, but I don't know that Aardsma could've thrown a worse pitch if he tried.*

* Not that this expression means anything as far as Aardsma's concerned, since when you're dealing with pitchers with poor command, it doesn't really matter what they're trying to do.

Only one bullet point tonight, on a predictable topic:

  • I didn't think much of Doug Fister when he first got the call, and I definitely didn't think much of him when I saw his ML debut on Saturday, but tonight, if only for a night, he gets to sleep the sleep of a champion. For a guy with his stuff, he threw as good a game as could be reasonably expected. All the outcomes:

    94 pitches
    56 strikes (60%)
    7 swinging strikes
    9 grounders
    4 fly balls (2 pop ups)
    1 line drive
    4 walks
    4 strikeouts


    Pitch n Velocity
    FA 61 88.2
    CH 19 79.7
    SL 9 82.4
    CU 5 74.0

    Billed as a guy with plus command who pounds the strike zone (68% strikes and only 10 walks in 93.2 innings as a starter in AAA), it might seem strange to see that Fister threw as many balls and walked as many batters as he did tonight, but anyone who watched the game could tell he was getting squeezed. Lance Barksdale wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt on anything, and if you go back through each of Fister's four walks, here's what you get:

    -Gordon Beckham, top 1: third pitch in strike zone, called ball
    -Chris Getz, top 3: 11-pitch PA; fourth and eleventh pitches in strike zone, called balls
    -Chris Getz, top 5: first and third pitches in strike zone, called balls
    -Jermaine Dye, top 6: legitimate walk

    Three of Fister's four walks came of some questionable calls, and even the Dye walk happened when Fister just narrowly missed his spots outside. So, yeah, I don't think his numbers tell the right story. Fister's no magician by any means, but tonight he did do a pretty damn good job of locating, and though it's weird to say this about a guy who allowed all of one hit, he probably deserved a better line, at least as far as the control numbers are concerned.

    As for the stuff, Fister's repertoire obviously isn't particularly special. If it were, he'd be a prospect. He has an ordinary fastball that never broke 90 and three offspeed pitches that contribute more by being part of a variety than they do on their own. It's a fairly typical arsenal, and on a few occasions he'd throw a pitch that would get missed or fouled off or put weakly into play and I'd wonder how it wasn't landing in one of the bullpens. But then I used to think the same thing about Chris Young when he was good, too, so it's possible that there's just something extra tricky about facing a giant that doesn't come across on TV.

    The statistical evidence we have on Fister says that he isn't very good. Though he's always been able to throw strikes, he's never been a big groundball guy, and he doesn't miss a lot of bats. His swinging strike rate with Tacoma was barely better than that of Jakubauskas. That said, anyone who's able to come up and do what Fister did tonight deserves a greater opportunity to show what he can do, and if Fister can induce swinging strikes from big bats like Jim Thome, Jermaine Dye, Paul Konerko, and Carlos Quentin, then hey, who knows? All I can say for sure is that, for six innings, Doug Fister inspired confidence the way others seldom have. He may not always be able to spot the ball as well as he did against Chicago, and in fact I'd wager that he won't, but with that dynamite performance, he's earned another chance to get blown up. It it happens, no one'll be too shocked and the team will carry on without batting an eyelid, but if it doesn't, then by Jove, we may just have something.

    It's never wise to evaluate a player by his peak performance. With his game tonight, though, Doug Fister has made that rather hard to avoid. I'd say that must mean he had quite the debut.

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Did anyone else see "The Green Lantern" typed on the bottom

of David Aardsma’s stats as he entered the game? I wonder what it means.

by Snowman1025 on Aug 12, 2009 1:13 AM PDT reply actions  

"Which superhero would you be?"

was the question for “ask the mariners” at a game earlier this year. I think “The Green Lantern” may have been Aardsma’s response, although how it showed up in today’s game still doesn’t make much sense.
(At least half the team said Superman/Batman. Miguel Batista, ever the literary expert, went with the Thing.) Now that I think about it, I’m pretty sure Brandon Morrow was the one who picked The Green Lantern, so even this doesn’t make sense as an explanation.

by Simon Phoenix on Aug 12, 2009 2:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aardsma's response was Wolverine

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by BrettJMiller on Aug 12, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice recap Jeff

You mentioned Fister’s swinging strike rate in Tacoma – where does that data come from? If I’m not mistaken, SwstR is only tracked by BIZ or pitch f/x, which aren’t available for the minors.

F*** Billy Beane... actually, I kinda like Holliday

by vivaelpujols on Aug 12, 2009 1:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Mark Lowe

hopefully he is the closer next year.

by tbirdad on Aug 12, 2009 7:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Regression is gonna be a bitch for Aardsma.

He’s had the benefit of of not giving up HR due to Safeco a 2.9 HR/FB but that’s not sustainable. Also he has a walk rate of 5.09 BB/9IP. One more blown save and he might get Morrow’d out of the closers role. But on the flip side Aardsma has a crazy good fastball despite the fact it’s only around a 94 MPH average and according to linear weights if I’m using them right per 100 pitches= +16.0.

You got slurved!

The M's are why the suicide rates are so high in the PNW and Japan.

by Slurvey on Aug 12, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes true.

Honestly I don’t care who closes Lowe/Aardsma is going to lock down the 8th and 9th innings down any way. Aardsma will always be scaring whether it’s the warning track flyballs or the wlks he’s gonna give up but that’s part of the fun during his saves.

You got slurved!

The M's are why the suicide rates are so high in the PNW and Japan.

by Slurvey on Aug 12, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's true, but he's certainly benefitting from quite a few things:

HR/FB, BABIP, and Strand Rate. Regress any one of them, he’s still awesome. Regress all of them, and he’s slightly less awesome. tRA’s still pretty awesome, I guess.
I’d say it’s one of the most unlikely great seasons in a while, but…Ryan Franklin.

by marc w on Aug 12, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Regress them all and he's probably not a relief ace, but he's still a very good bullpen arm making jack diddly.

I’m not saying I’m opposed to moving him for something more useful, but the idea that he’s likely to blow up and suck is just silly.

by Aaron Campeau on Aug 12, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, he's not exactly old, and his FB and SL have both been much more valuable this year than in years past (by linear weights.)

It’s not impossible that he’s just sort of figured it out, because even when you take regression into account he’s been a better pitcher this year than in years past.

by Aaron Campeau on Aug 12, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

One more thought on this;

J.J.‘s breakout year was his age 29 season. Guys with this skillset might have a short window of effectiveness, but a hard throwing reliever with control/command issues having a breakthrough year in his late 20’s isn’t exactly unprecedented.

by Aaron Campeau on Aug 12, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's very true

Though Putz’s leap came when he learned a new pitch. Heath Bell comes to mind as well, though again, he had one very nice season in NY before he really burst onto the scene. And Aardsma had more MLB history (not GOOD history) than either, but that’s only because he’d come up so fast.
Other similar improvements may have come when the fireballer with command issues actually improved his control. The walks are still coming at Aardsma’s traditional rate, but they’re just not scoring. The big increase in K rate seems to be real, and it’s why he’d still be good even after regressing his stats.

It just seems so wildly implausible, but I’m glad it was plausible to Jack (and, yeah, Dave).

by marc w on Aug 12, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

His fastball has turned into a beastly pitch.

People aren’t just hitting it in or outside of the strike zone.

You got slurved!

The M's are why the suicide rates are so high in the PNW and Japan.

by Slurvey on Aug 12, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

What can you say, other than "relievers are weird"?

There were reasons to think he might be awesome, reasons to think he might be useful and reasons to think he might blow. We win!

by Aaron Campeau on Aug 12, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah it is.

You got slurved!

The M's are why the suicide rates are so high in the PNW and Japan.

by Slurvey on Aug 12, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Question on the standard deviation on fastball velocity:
He has an ordinary fastball that never broke 90

If Fister had an average velocity of 88.2 mph on his fastball and didn’t break 90, I’m assuming the standard deviation on his fastball velocity is pretty small. Does this matter at all? If a guy mainly throws his four seam fastball only 3 mph difference at times, is it easier to time his fastball then it would be if he threw it anywhere from 85-92? Just off the top of my head, I would say that the difference in speeds would be more challenging, but the slower pitches would be easier to hit and would classify as ‘mistake pitches’. Also would this affect the effectiveness of a changeup at all?

by PlaySportsinSeattle on Aug 12, 2009 8:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, Fister seemed to get really lucky in that 95% of the hard-hit balls

went foul. Yes, yes, Greg Maddux did that too and it was an approach or whatever, but I highly doubt that’s what was going on. Still, nice to see an improvement in his GB rate in the majors – helps to make up for the walks (and yes, that was some bad umpiring).
Fister must’ve been really amped up for this start, which is why it’s a bit odd he didn’t break 90. I’m not making it up that he used to top 90 with some regularity in Tacoma. Don’t know if the workload’s beginning to wear him out a bit (he’s pitched over 113 IP in the minors so far; the 93.2 IP Jeff mentioned were his IP as a starter in Tacoma), or if he was still throwing a bit harder after being moved to the rotation in May. Still, if he had something of an uphill road in touching the low 90s, it’s even steeper if he’s going to work at 88.
Nice job Fister and the rest of the run-prevention unit. Shame about the result.

by marc w on Aug 12, 2009 9:06 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm starting to become convinced there is something magical about the 87-89 mph fastball.

MLB hitters are accustomed to facing 95 mph most every day, whether coming from that day’s starter or seeing the bullpen. So these hitters are already trying to stay back an extra moment when going up against a guy like Fister. Throw in a few change-ups and breaking balls along with the fastballs pinpointed on the edges, hitters can really be kept off balance.

It’s cool to know a pitcher with pedestrian talent can succeed as long as he is locating. At least the results are better than pitcher who has extraordinary talent but can’t locate— as evidenced by Aardsma last night (Daniel Cabrera is the poster boy).

by Wilder. on Aug 12, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. YES. It's a hidden in plain sight thing, isn't it?

And you know what’s even better? The entire Tacoma rotation works in the 87-89 range. This could be a huge secret weapon for next year. If your theory is right, the reason Gaby Hernandez is getting killed is that he’s pitching in the wrong context. It’s NORMAL to throw in the Magic Zone in the PCL. But bring him up to the majors, where most pitchers throw 95, and boom goes the dynamite.

This makes so much sense.

by marc w on Aug 12, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I bet if the Ms were to bring up someone with a 50 mph fastball and no control

lets say, ME, hitters would be even more confused. I bet it could work, at least until the scouting reports got around.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Aug 12, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

But there's a HUGE supply of people with 50MPH fbs and no control.

Once the ‘book’ was out on you, switch to another guy. The entire winnowing out/selection process from college to rookie league through the minors to MLB….they’re selecting for completely different skills! Plus, these skills are undervalued by the market and by scouts who cling to things like ‘stuff’ and ‘velocity’ like a favorite toy.

by marc w on Aug 12, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Question...

I know they were probably trying to limit his pitch count, but was I the only one who thought he didn’t really look tired coming out of the 6th, and though that he should at least been given a shot to start the 7th?

Yeah, he was definitely getting squeezed. I’m contacting the RUMPU*!

Is there any point at all in keeping Batista around? Certainly Baldwin or Seddon or Messenger could come in and stink it up just as easily…

(*Robot UMP Union)

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by PositivePaul on Aug 12, 2009 9:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Well, what's the point of keeping him now?

We are past the trade deadline, and you have to pay him whether you play him or cut him. Why not cut him, and look at some arms for next year? He doesn’t seem like he’s a big clubhouse guy that everyone loves or anything.

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by BrettJMiller on Aug 12, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, this...

He’s proven by now that he DOES utterly suck. But, then, I have other non-baseball reasons to believe this, so I’m incredibly biased. Still, yeah, his roster spot is better spent on trying to figure out if one of the Tacoma Boys can handle life in the bigs…

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by PositivePaul on Aug 12, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

On Fister starting the 7th...
Manager Don Wakamatsu talked about wanting Fister to have a ‘positive’ experience in his first start, which translated to getting him out of the game while pitching well.

—Larue

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by PositivePaul on Aug 12, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

.

I bet there are very few people here who have actually SEEN this movie.

It’s not even available on Netflix. Or if it is, I certainly haven’t found it.

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by PositivePaul on Aug 12, 2009 11:32 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

He's really good at them.

But it seems like pretty soon all 3B will start playing in close on him. If I remember right, he’s only been thrown out on one of his bunt attempts, but it still went as a SH since there was a runner on second. Once the scouting report gets around I doubt he can keep up that pace.

by appleshampoo on Aug 12, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last night's was a drag bunt out past the pitcher towards second base.

Having that weapon in your arsenal can never hurt. Worst case scenario is the infield plays “in” on him, which allow his swinging hits to find more holes and gaps.

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by Thingray on Aug 12, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

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