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Wbc_029_tiny by Jeff Sullivan on in Miscellaneous

I answered a bunch of questions about the M's and the upcoming series for Richard Durrett over at the DMN Rangers blog, so if you have a minute, go check that out. Before you get to the comments, try and pick out the line that some Texas fans find to be the most objectionable. I need to be better informed!

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Rangers pitching staff

Rotation: 4.51 ERA, 4.80 FIP, 5.74 tRA, 5.48 tRA*
Bullpen: 4.01 ERA, 4.65 FIP, 4.85 tRA, 4.66 tRA*

I’m not just making things up here. I’m not afraid to give other teams credit for their strengths, but the Rangers’ arms have been really really bad.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 9, 2009 10:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Clearly you aren't paying attention

and putting in very little effort.

I never really liked the old tagline.

CougCenter

by Craig Powers on Jul 9, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

God damn you for making assumptions based on the past.

"You're so beautiful. You could be a part-time model, but you'd probably still have to keep your normal job."

by nickmo on Jul 9, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heh

don’t bother with the idiots that comment at the DMN blog.

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Jul 9, 2009 10:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Arghhh ERA!!!

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 9, 2009 10:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Judging from their comments

The readers’ heads may have exploded.

I never really liked the old tagline.

CougCenter

by Craig Powers on Jul 9, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 9, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for being an intelligent joke that a lot of people probably won't get.

"You're so beautiful. You could be a part-time model, but you'd probably still have to keep your normal job."

by nickmo on Jul 9, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right.

You’re really thinking about Bo Derek…

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jul 9, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

After a bit of googling

I can say that I’ve never seen that film.

Fuck Anaheim.

by Eyeball Kid on Jul 9, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's more than just an eye candy film.

It’s got it’s moments of comedic brilliance.

But, yeah, for all the talk of the Farrah Fawcett poster, the Bo Derek one was dang near as popular…

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jul 9, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dammit.

I didn’t know we were doing minuets. I was doing the fox trot.

(yeah, I know I’m late, but if you hadn’t heard SBN was down a few minutes ago.)

by Jer Bear on Jul 9, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

BloodyElbow.com is drawing too much traffic leading up to UFC100.

Or am I kidding…

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jul 9, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Typo on your end or his end?
as both Felix and Washburn are terrific while Washburn has been solid and Morrow has the potential to be excellent on any given night.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 9, 2009 11:57 AM PDT reply actions  

The comments on this are amazing

“Stats are useless! You have to watch the games!”

“They man up more often this year!”

“You can twist numbers in your favor, just watch the games!”

[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]

by bluemax on Jul 9, 2009 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

It seems to me that the Rangers and Mariners are like.. what.. a couple of Morrow innings from being like two games apart? Two games which is nothing over a 162-game series, a break here and a break there.

Yet, all I ever hear on LL is how bad the hitting and bullpen are for the Mariners despite what ERA says about the bullpen.

Drink the kool-aid Texas. You’re still in the lead and you still have as good a chance as LA and Seattle in the West.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 9, 2009 12:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Our bullpen is horrible, ignore ERA.

It is so horrible I want to vomit every time our starter passes it over to the bullpen.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 9, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I lose hair over starter pitch counts.

I could not enjoy Bedard’s domination of the Orioles because I knew all those extra strikeout pitches meant an earlier exit.

I never really liked the old tagline.

CougCenter

by Craig Powers on Jul 9, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

that thread is slap nuts funny

You can make stats look any way you want. Not like refutations without any support, which are always rock solid.

by Shawk on Jul 9, 2009 12:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Like kinlserhomer said

the DMN blog commenters aren’t the brightest crayons in the box. Most educated Ranger fans are well aware the difference has been run prevention, which is code for Elvis Andrus.

I used to shoot baskets

by SaltyDawg on Jul 9, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions  

you'd be surprised how many people think Cruz is a mess in RF

even though the stats say otherwise. It’s mainly because when he is bad out there, it’s comically bad. But, he has definitely been a part of it. Along with Kinsler deciding errors are so 2008.

I used to shoot baskets

by SaltyDawg on Jul 9, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's endless entertainment.
Sounds like that pos blogger from Seattle needs a wakeup call. I say we rock Queen Felix tonight, and keep on trucking. Nippert is the only weakspot in our rotation I see. I still don’t like Washington and is cronies. That’s ok to everyone but the rose colored glasses fans that like to point out every flaw in other’s posts. Where are all the Blalock haters been since he’s been hitting. A lot of you piling on Jones’ bandwagon for a good 2 game stretch. Where’s the support for Blalock? Or maybe he’s beneath notice from some of you hypocrites.

by abender20 on Jul 9, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ohhh I missed that one.

I’m going to have to go back. I love when ppl type lik they R txting!

I never really liked the old tagline.

CougCenter

by Craig Powers on Jul 9, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Especially when it's non-ironic.

I never really liked the old tagline.

CougCenter

by Craig Powers on Jul 9, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ironic homophobia is just a way to not feel bad about the very real homophobia it masks

seriously, all the gay jokes made here might be ‘ironic’ but i doubt they would make any gays feel welcome here.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

My gay friends who are my age or older are far more defensive than

my gay friends who are under 30. They had to put up with way more shit growing up so they find far less humor in things straight people say about them.

by Sec 108 on Jul 9, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, if you think said jokes are "about them" then I think you're missing the point of the jokes.

I dunno, maybe this is a “take-it-up-on-Facebook” kind of thing, but the idea that people have apparently taken this particular line of humor that myself and some of my dearest friends indulge in to apparently mean something totally different than intended makes me sad.

by Aaron Campeau on Jul 10, 2009 2:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shot you a message.

I am just making a point that there are vastly different reactions to certain things simply based on what generation someone grew up in and the differences in how they have been treated due to social mores at the time.

by Sec 108 on Jul 10, 2009 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just in that...
keep on trucking
I still don’t like Washington and is cronies.

What?

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jul 9, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Comedy!

Such indignity. You didn’t even make a single reference to crack.

"Why should I stretch? Does a cheetah stretch before it chases its prey?"
-Griffey

by Big Jared on Jul 9, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions  

That was indeed a disappointment

Such a wasted opportunity…

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 9, 2009 1:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Everything is bigger in Texas.

Now officially including: all synonyms for ignorance, unintelligence, and inexperience.

My favorites were the two posters at the beginning trying to defend their staff by saying things like,“By NO means are we finishing 1st thru 5th in cy young voting…” and,“Sure, they arent trotting out Sandy Koufax and Jim Palmer…”

More like they aren’t finishing with any numbers starting in 1 thru 5 in Cy Young voting and if they did trot Sandy Koufax and Jim Palmer out to the mound (ages 73 and 63, respectively) it would probably look similar, maybe even better than what they currently are “trotting out.”

by NoStars on Jul 9, 2009 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Mariner fans can be just as bad

Try explaining to someone Ryan Langerhans is good and Jarrod Washburn is not.

by Poochie on Jul 9, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, but that doesn't work for the average fan.

I tried to tell someone about Langerhans, and he said right back to me, “He’s no Ibanez”

I grabbed my beer and walked away.

by d0nkey on Jul 9, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair.

He’s right. He is no Ibanez. He can catch a fly ball.

I never really liked the old tagline.

CougCenter

by Craig Powers on Jul 9, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair.

Wouldn’t Ibanez’s 2009 numbers make him a wee bit better than Langerhans even with a bad glove?

I’m not being snotty, I’m being honest – wouldnt it?

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 9, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know much about the Phillies pitchers

But wouldn’t we rather have a LFer that can catch as opposed to hit considering the amount of contact our pitchers generate?

So, wouldn’t the bad glove be even more amplified with our pitchers, and safeco and what not?

by d0nkey on Jul 9, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ibanez cost 3/33 and Nick Franklin

Langerhans costs the league minimum plus Mike Morse

by seattlebruin on Jul 9, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair.

You all missed the point of that conversation.

by d0nkey on Jul 9, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heh ... the DMN blog

Isn’t a good place to look for Texas fan attitude, aptness to following baseball, literacy, or understanding of analysis. Some of those same people are the callers into radio talk shows who ask the hosts if any of the more athletic Rangers have had a Cowboys tryout. On the literacy side, I’m sure there may be a synonym for unintelligence, if unintelligence were actually a word. But the meaning came through.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce

by Ed Coffin on Jul 9, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just googled "unintelligence" and thefreedictionary.com says it's a noun. BOOYA! haha.

Is there a better blog to read about how great the Rangers are. I’d love to read about how awesome Taylor Teagarden has been this year.

by NoStars on Jul 9, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

LoneStarBall isn’t awful, and the newbergreport.com is basically optimistic fandom but concise, and its forum is generally pretty well grounded. As for “unintelligence”, the spell checkers for SBN and for OpenOffice uderscore it as a misspelling, both a bit more authentic than thefreedictionary.com

Nete, both LSB and the Newberg site put some emphasis on the minor league system, prospects, drafts, Latin America signings, etc. But a significant number in both sites are statistically oriented. Contrast is sharp to the DMN, who laid off all its’ beat writers for the Rangers (Evan Grant now covers the team via D Magazine with columns and a blog called Insider), and the newspaper is among the largest to severely cut back due to fading circulation and poor patronage.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce

by Ed Coffin on Jul 9, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Negative*

Only in juvenile urbanspeak, if then. But that is and was a side issue. I follow Jeff’s writing pretty consistently, and like it a lot. That a few commenters in a failed sports section of a major newspaper take issue, is generally laughable.

  • = Merriam-Webster Collegiate edition. Scan everything from uninitiate to uninclear, and you’ll find only uninterested. Which is a good summary.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce

by Ed Coffin on Jul 9, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have that dictionary right in front of me. Look under unintelligence.

It’s also in the unabridged Webster’s Third New International Dictionary.

by Teej on Jul 9, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

That should say

look under unintelligent.

by Teej on Jul 9, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll concede

LOL! My copy is tenth edition (1998), the Library of Congress version, and it isn’t in there. So consider me updated (or antiquated, either is OK).

Enjoy the series! Should be telling for both teams, although I don’t think it’s pivotal – too early still.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce

by Ed Coffin on Jul 9, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a word

it’s in the OED. been in use since 1632 at least.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 9, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw this in my Google Reader and thought you were calling out to me

Which of course would make no sense. Your answers to the questions were great, though, and the comments are wonderful.

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Jul 9, 2009 1:48 PM PDT reply actions  

But ERA!

You got slurved!

Hehehe Mark Reynolds is so awesome.

by Slurvey on Jul 9, 2009 1:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I think we should offer to trade them Washburn and his shiny 3.08 ERA.

Except they probably wouldn’t want him because he’s only 5-6 and not a “winner”.

Maybe we can recommend that some of these jokers apply to work in the Ranger’s front office so Z can “help them over a fence” in future trades.

by PDXTai on Jul 9, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is deniably terrible a phrase? It should be.

I hate to say it, Jeff but you were definitely wrong. The Rangers pitching staff isn’t undeniably terrible. As the Rangers fans were extremely eager to point out, their terribleness can be denied.

by DAMellen on Jul 9, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Inconceivably terrible?

No. To paraphrase Solo “I can conceive quite a bit”.

Irrefutably terrible? Too big a word.

Obviously terrible to all but the most ignorant? Perfect!

by PDXTai on Jul 9, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

So what 88 percent terrible?

They’re still pretty bad to say the least. Wording could’ve been better but they’re horrible.

You got slurved!

Hehehe Mark Reynolds is so awesome.

by Slurvey on Jul 9, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

SSS alert

You can’t project the quality of a poster based on just a few posts, you need at least a full year’s worth of

Screw it, 110% terrible. You can’t ask for more than that.

by PDXTai on Jul 9, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I live in Texas.

And yes, this is what it is like.

Thug Life

by Slow Country on Jul 9, 2009 5:10 PM PDT reply actions  

I just wasted 3 minutes of my time

reading and commenting. It’s funny how it looks when something you’ve known all year comes out in interview form, then up for discussion with other, unknowing people.

WELCOME TO THE ZONE.

by HHZ on Jul 9, 2009 10:29 PM PDT reply actions  

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