A Comparison

by Matthew on Jul 7, 2009 11:53 PM PDT in Miscellaneous

Lookout Landing's view of our bullpen:

Here, here, here, here,

and

Also, elsewhere on the site.

People who use ERA's view of our bullpen:

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OH DEAR LORD

I was looking for exactly this gif for so long. If you made this, I thank you. I’m sure I will be stealing it in the future.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jul 8, 2009 12:00 AM PDT reply actions

But the second one is so much better.

Until they give up 10 runs and we wonder why and make excuses.

I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.

by Hopefulmsfan on Jul 8, 2009 12:09 AM PDT reply actions

No chemistry

by calim on Jul 8, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions

Not enough veteran leadership.

I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.

by Hopefulmsfan on Jul 8, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions

The second one is an illusion

and claiming you got your arms stuck in two separate vending machines makes for a shitty excuse.

by Matthew on Jul 8, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions

What if you have the firemen write you a note?

by patsfan on Jul 8, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions

Man the rotation has really gone to seed without Bedard

and with Morrow getting schooled (as in learning). Jesus, they were at 28 pRAA after one month and now… Sic transit gloria mundi.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 8, 2009 12:25 AM PDT reply actions

Thank you for this.

I’ve grown tired of Dave Sims talking about how they’re the best bullpen in the AL.

by evanr on Jul 8, 2009 1:22 AM PDT reply actions

Considering the fact that Sims has mentioned both Hardball Times and Fangraphs on air

I would argue that he knows exactly what the bullpen is.

by Robert on Jul 8, 2009 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions

Well the pen doesn't look as bad by THT/Fangrraphs' metrics

It doesn’t look awesome, mind you, but it only really looks deeply shitty in tRA.

by marc w on Jul 8, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions

So our bullpen is like the ballet?

by Mariner John on Jul 8, 2009 1:36 AM PDT reply actions

It's times like these I wished they still used the bullpen cars.

by Aaron Campeau on Jul 8, 2009 1:50 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions

I love that

1) that’s what Homer thinks ballet is
2) He’s the only person there enjoying it

by Poochie on Jul 8, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions

I'm starting to feel like Bobby Ayala and Heathcliff Slocum are warming up out there

by stufr on Jul 8, 2009 3:35 AM PDT reply actions

It's worse than that, since we've had good results so far, we're just waiting for the other shoe to drop

at least with Ayala and Slocum we came into their appearances with low expectations.

by seattlebruin on Jul 8, 2009 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions

What a wonderful idea for a gif

I would have never ever thought of using it in the same context as the Mariners. You sure are a original that is truly full of new ideas around every corner. I tip my cap to you.

by Robert on Jul 8, 2009 8:06 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs

Fuck you.

by Matthew on Jul 8, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs

I have a question about numbers

I’m going to definitely come off very amatuerish (as if that hasn’t already happened) but I really want to understand the numbers.

If the Hitting is a -48.2 and the Bullpen is a -15.1 does that mean that our hitting department is three times worse than the Bullpen or do the numbers not really correlate that way because hitters are playing much much more than the bullpen guys are working?

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 8, 2009 12:42 PM PDT reply actions

As far as I know, it means team runs below the average major league offense/pitching/defense over the course of the current season (approximately 83 games so far) in this context.

But you’d want to get a second opinion on that. Also, 28th = 28th in the majors, etc.

by Decatur on Jul 8, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions

Well I misread that question.

by Decatur on Jul 8, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions

They don't really correlate that way

but it would be fair to say that the hitting has hurt us three times as much as the bullpen, which is similar but different.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 8, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions

Of course, this doesn't account for leverage, and the bullpen throws a lot of important innings

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 8, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions

And it may be going too far to say that the bullpen has 'hurt' us at all

given the whole disconnect between RA and tRA that gave rise to this post.
The way they’re pitching should have resulted in X or something… I think people will just point to the pen’s RA, or to the pen’s WPA for that matter and say that it’s been a strength.
This is a stupid semantic argument about what we really mean by ‘hurt’ in that sentence. Never mind.

(Though I’d guess the wOBA/bRAA number correlates to runs scored a lot better than pRAA correlates to RA).

by marc w on Jul 8, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions