Zduriencik's Trades

by Graham MacAree on Jul 31, 2009 6:20 PM PDT in Seattle Mariners Stats

In: Jack Wilson (SS, MLB), Ian Snell (SP, MLB), Luke French (SP, MLB), David Aardsma (RP, MLB), Franklin Gutierrez (CF, MLB), Endy Chavez (LF, MLB), Robert Manuel (RP, MLB), Jason Vargas (SP, MLB), Garrett Olson (RP, MLB), Ryan Langerhans (OF, MLB), Jack Hannahan (3B, MLB), Mike Carp (1B, AAA), Ezequiel Carrera (CF, AA), Danny Cortes (SP, AA), Mauricio Robles (SP, A+), Derrick Saito (SP, A+), Mikael Cleto (SP, A), $3.4M

Out: Yuniesky Betancourt ("SS", MLB), Jarrod Washburn (SP, MLB), JJ Putz (RP, MLB), Jeremy Reed (OF, MLB), Wladimir Balentien (OF, MLB), Sean Green (RP, MLB), Luis Valbuena (2B, MLB), Jeff Clement (1B, AAA), Mike Morse, (DH, MLB), Justin Souza (SP, AA), Nathan Adcock (SP, A+), Aaron Pribanic (SP, A), Brett Lorin (SP, A), Fabian Williamson (SP, A), $2M

It's pretty interesting to look at how much the organisation has changed since Z took over. 2010's closer, at least two of its starting pitchers, its centre fielder, and its shortstop are all drawn from trades that have occurred since last November. Neat!

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Who is Jeremy Green?

Jeremy Reed, on the other hand, sucked.

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by David Piper on Jul 31, 2009 6:24 PM PDT reply actions

That "Out" list is unremarkable.

FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 31, 2009 6:30 PM PDT reply actions

That's what's so awesome.

by Steven was taken on Jul 31, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions

To be fair,

the “In” list is pretty unremarkable past DA and Gutz. Endy/Snell/Wilson are nice, but not remarkably so.

by Terminator X on Jul 31, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions

I think that's overstating it

since there are some pretty nice prospects on that list; and the fact that there are two all-star-caliber players on that list as well is a pretty remarkable thing in itself.

by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 31, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions

Not to mention getting Langerhans for free to be league average-ish and Hannahan for a similarly low price to be an able stopgap.

And I think you’re selling Endy, Snell and Wilson short.

Also, Vargas? French? Not especially sexy but free and useful.

by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions

Mike Morse (DH) says it all.

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by Jack Moore on Jul 31, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions

Of course there are other good guys on the list, but there are good guys on the out list as well.

Just saying that beyond DA and Gutz the lists are roughly comparable.

by Terminator X on Aug 1, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions

Yeah, I still don't agree with that at all.

And saying “beyond a young, all-star centerfielder l and a relief ace, both under club control, the list isn’t than impressive” makes the list sound pretty impressive.

by Aaron Campeau on Aug 1, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions

No they're really not

by Graham MacAree on Aug 1, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions

at all.

not even close.

by A Steamy Day in Cleveland on Aug 1, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions

Roughly comparable in the sense that a Pinto and a Shelby GT are both "cars"

by Matthew on Aug 1, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions

Yeah, that struck me looking at it, too

For all that I think we overpaid in the Wilson/Snell deal (either that or didn’t get enough money back), the overall record here is pretty remarkable.

And Graham, given that we’ll have three of Zduriencik’s acquisitions in the rotation at the same time, and four who’ve started at one time or another during the season, I think “at least two” is really understating the matter.

by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 31, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions

I am less annoyed at the Wilson deal after the Washburn deal.

We replaced one of the A-Ball pitchers with a more interesting, younger, more highly advanced A-Ball pitcher and managed to replace Washburn in the rotation without having to pay any of the rest of his contract, which is fairly remarkable.

by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions

I forgot Fabian Williamson even existed.

He was who we traded for Aardsma, right?

by csiems on Jul 31, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions

Correct.

by MFAN on Jul 31, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions

I guess that worked out ok.

by M'sin.. on Jul 31, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions

Dr. Z is in the office, to cure our woes.

The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!

by JamMasterJesus on Jul 31, 2009 7:05 PM PDT reply actions

Please forgive my ignorance...

But I am assuming players that came in and out through trades didn’t make the list, right? (Cedeno)

by A Steamy Day in Cleveland on Jul 31, 2009 7:12 PM PDT reply actions

And along those same lines, what about FA's

Can someone post the list of players signed since Dr. Z has begun medicating? Thanks in advance.

by A Steamy Day in Cleveland on Jul 31, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions

I bet they cancel each other out.

by MT Olson on Jul 31, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions

Heilman also is canceled out...

For those of you scoring at home, Aaron Heilman was an in and out (burger) kind of player, just as :(edeno was.

Can someone break down the 3.4 and 2 Million dollars? I’d love to know which team got the 2 and who we got the 3.4 from (I’m guessing Pit here)

by A Steamy Day in Cleveland on Aug 1, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions

KC got the $2 million when we dumped Yuni on them.

by I Lick Squirrels on Aug 1, 2009 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions

And yep, the 3.4 was from Pitt.

by Terminator X on Aug 1, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions

Did you forget the Morse for Langerhans deal?

Or does that just not matter enough to count?

by I Lick Squirrels on Jul 31, 2009 7:28 PM PDT reply actions

They're in there.

by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 31, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions

I'm pretty sure they weren't when I posted it...

Oh, the power of edits.

by I Lick Squirrels on Jul 31, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions

Has there been any thought to changing the Sexson picture at the top of the site?

It truly feels like we are worlds away from where we were at that point. Could be a symbolic change. That am I’m sick of being reminded of Sexson’s stint here.

by DCMariner on Jul 31, 2009 7:58 PM PDT reply actions

There has been cosniderable mention of this, after almost every win streak and/or GMZ move.

And it is an awesome logo and I’d prefer it never be changed, even if we win the world series 150 years in a row. Starbucks doesn’t change its logo just because it no longer serves naked mermaids in Fremont.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jul 31, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions

...

by I Lick Squirrels on Jul 31, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions

There was a previous Sexson logo too, before some guy made it more pretty/photoshopped

But the general image is the same, just like the Starbucks logo.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jul 31, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions

Jeff made the first one.

I prettied it up.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jul 31, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions

So everyone shut up about changing the logo.

It’s my baby.

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by Eyebrows on Jul 31, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions

I think it's time you asexually reproduce a second child

I don't care how well he does for the M's...FUCK ENDY CHAVEZ

by Fuzz on Jul 31, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions

But that's not the fun way.

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by Eyebrows on Jul 31, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions

This, sir, is a very true statement

I don't care how well he does for the M's...FUCK ENDY CHAVEZ

by Fuzz on Jul 31, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions

I still can't believe you're not a Mariners fan.

Fuck Anaheim.

by Eyeball Kid on Jul 31, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions

Because he delights in our being reminded of our suffering?

by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions

I honestly can't think of a better one right now.

by ThundaPC on Jul 31, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions

I still say it should be the Felix/Guti embrace.

I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.
P.S. Fuck the Angels!

by Hopefulmsfan on Jul 31, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions

This entire discussion is not on topic,

So it should probably not be in this thread. In addition, Sexson sad is the embodiment of being a Mariner fan. It is what we have been through since 1977 (or in my case, 1983), and even with the successful front office, we still go through it today. We still expect them to fail when things go bad. We expect good things to not work out and bad things to come. And we always will. That’s what Seattle fandom is like, and that’s what the image represents. Jeff could well choose to change it someday at his leisure, but while it’s there I don’t see any good reason that anyone should ever have a problem with it, no matter how successful we become or how well we are run. The Sexson image was not a “current event” that is now passed. It was the perfect example of what being a Mariner fan has been like throughout the existence of this team.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Aug 1, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions

I don't epect those things anymore but until we get back to the playoffs ina legitimate fashion I want the current logo to stay.

by Aaron Campeau on Aug 1, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions

Who the in the hell really cares about the logo??

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by kevin_ess on Aug 1, 2009 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions

And AC, by that, I mean you're right.

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by kevin_ess on Aug 1, 2009 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions

I care because it sets the tone.

I’m weird that way.

by Aaron Campeau on Aug 1, 2009 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions

I love the current logo.

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by kevin_ess on Aug 1, 2009 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions

Me too!

Fuck Anaheim.

by Eyeball Kid on Aug 1, 2009 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions

I think it's iconic and hilarious

“Oh god we’re the Seattle Mariners. Please don’t look at me.”

by lemonverbena on Aug 1, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions

Some us still miss the sinking ship.

I don't know how to stop.

by esoteric on Aug 1, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions

Well, Sexson is the sinking ship personified.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Aug 1, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions

The logo is perfect and when people ask to change it they seem to miss the general point of LL

by Robert on Aug 1, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions

Richie Sexon is pointing right at it!

There’s more symbology around this joint than a Masonic retreat in the Catskills.

by Kermit. on Aug 1, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions

And if you look at the picture closely, he is pointing towards the floor, but you can't see it.

THERE IS NO FLOOR!

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Aug 1, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions

This again!

by Poochie on Aug 1, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions

I like how you quoted "SS" for Yuni

F*** Billy Beane... actually, I kinda like Holliday

by vivaelpujols on Jul 31, 2009 8:23 PM PDT reply actions

I needed this, thanks

I’ll need to come back to this every time I lament the weak offense or occasional egg laid by an Ms starter. Z really has worked well and worked fast. This winter is going to be the most fun as an Ms fan in a while.

by Spoomeister on Jul 31, 2009 8:43 PM PDT reply actions

GMZ has to be in the logo, right?

by Sinking Away on Jul 31, 2009 10:16 PM PDT reply actions

Yea!

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by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2009 11:04 PM PDT reply actions 15 recs

Whoa. I assume you found one of those ASCII programs?

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by kevin_ess on Jul 31, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions

Right. I feel like I've sobered up a bit now.

Frankly though, sober or not, this deserves several recs.

Fuck Anaheim.

by Eyeball Kid on Jul 31, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions

Actually

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by Eyeball Kid on Jul 31, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions

I really don't know why the fuck this isn't green yet.

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by Eyeball Kid on Jul 31, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions

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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Aug 1, 2009 2:48 AM PDT up reply actions

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F*** Billy Beane... actually, I kinda like Holliday

by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2009 6:08 AM PDT up reply actions

rec'd for incredibly obvious reaons.

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by Eyeball Kid on Jul 31, 2009 11:10 PM PDT reply actions

Reply fail.

Franlkly though, something that awesome doesn’t need proper approvaval.

Fuck Anaheim.

by Eyeball Kid on Jul 31, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions

Jack Wilson, and Omar Vizquel

Looking at b-ref, is it fair to say ‘08 Jack Wilson (last full season), compares favorably to Omar’s last season with the Mariners? Looks roughly comparable to me, if so it is amusing the M’s have come full circle back to Omar.

by Kermit. on Aug 1, 2009 2:01 PM PDT reply actions